I would like to add one point. Rocket engine is in a sense use and throw. the are not reused much (it at all they are reused). Jet engine needs to be made available on an average for 8000 hours. This makes jet engine a difficult technology.
Modern Rocket Engines are not easier to master even if it is use and throw. And the cryogenic technology is also not easy either. Yes, relatively speaking rockets are much easier than Jet Engines.
Here's hoping US can pull an AUKUS here by swooping down at the last minute and offering core technologies from F414EPE & ADVENT and whatever else it takes to power our future fighters.
I don't think we should go forward with this nit becoz unreliability and all
Report: US revives offer to cooperate with India on the development of jet engine technology which to power Indian Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) General Electric (GE) of the US, has submitted a proposal for co-development of a 110 kn thrust engine (F414 EPE) with India.
US Revives Offer To Co-Develop AMCA Fighter Jet Engine With India
American turnaround overrides “export control” concerns which aborted an earlier bid for collaboration on jet engine technology through DTTI in 2019
Photo Credit : ADA
A graphic illustration of India’s futuristic Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA)
27June, 2022
by Vishal Thapar
The US has revived an offer to cooperate with India on the development of jet engine technology which could be used to power India’s futuristic Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA).
General Electric (GE) of the US, one of the world’s leading manufacturers of jet engines, has submitted a proposal for the co-development of a 110 kn thrust engine with Indian agencies.
Top military sources have confirmed to BW Businessworld that GE is being considered along with Safran of France and Rolls Royce of the UK for collaboration on the AMCA engine.
“The options for a tie-up are open from among the three contenders. The Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) is the lead agency and a private Indian entity is also likely to be involved in the programme,” sources disclosed.
The revival of US interest in the fighter engine programme is significant. An earlier proposal for collaboration on jet engine technology under the India-US Defence Trade and Technology Initiative (DTTI) was suspended in October 2019 on account of American reluctance to share core or hot engine technology. A joint working group on jet engine technology under the DTTI framework was thereafter disbanded.
The suspension of cooperation on jet engines was announced in New Delhi by Ellen Lord, the then US Under Secretary of Defence for Acquisition and Sustainment who was the co-chair of the India-US DTTI.
“We did run into challenges in terms of US export controls,” she had then acknowledged. Lord said the two sides could not come to an understanding of what exportable technologies would be useful to India.
There’s been simultaneous interest expressed by Safran and Rolls Royce for the engine co-development programme. These bids are energetically supported by their respective Governments.
Industry watchers read the US turnaround as a bid to retain its lead in powering India’s indigenous fighter jet programme, a position it does not wish to cede to European engine makers. The Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas is powered by the GE-F404 engine, which has an 85 kn thrust. India’s Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA)’s plans for the LCA Tejas Mk-2, AMCA Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft and the Twin Engine Deck-Based Fighter (TEDBF) are also closely woven around the 98 kn thrust GE-F414 engine. Several hundred of these aircraft will be produced.
Only when the AMCA programme matures to the Mk-2 level does the ADA envisage switching from a GE-F414 to an indigenous engine with a higher 110 kn thrust. It is for the development of that engine that India is seeking foreign collaboration. The AMCA Mk-2 production timelines commence around 2035. ADA also plans powering subsequent batches of the 26-ton TEDBF with the same indigenous engine as the AMCA’s.
The revival of the GE bid to co-develop the AMCA engine coincides with the development of an "Enhanced Performance Engine" or "EPE" variant of the GE-F414 for the US Navy. "The Enhanced Performance Engine includes a new core and a redesigned fan and compressor. It offers up to a 20 per cent thrust boost, increasing it to 26,400 pounds (120 kN), giving an almost 11:1 thrust/weight ratio,” it’s been stated. This matches or slightly exceeds the requirement for the AMCA Mk-2. Hence, GE will be ready with technologies required for a 110 kn engine required by India.
Sources also disclosed that the EPE will have the same dimensions as the original GE-F414 variant. Hence, no modifications will be required to the air frame for fitment or retro-fitment on the initial variants of the AMCA, the TEDBF and even the Tejas Mk-2. India, of course, doesn’t seek a hand-me-down solution but wants to gain knowhow and know why through this programme to design, develop and produce jet engines on its own in the future.
US Revives Offer To Co-develop AMCA Fighter Jet Engine With India
American turnaround overrides “export control” concerns which aborted an earlier bid for collaboration on jet engine technology through DTTI in 2019, , AMCA, general electric, GE-F414, GE-F414 EPE, drdo, ADA, Safran, rolls royce, TEDBF, LCA Mk-2www.businessworld.in
Right, How suddenly US offering Jet engine technology , it means , we are achieving something.
Joint deal with Safrran is close to signing
The usa will cancel like it did with dtti jet engine
how about we build in an appropriately hefty delay & cancellation penalty? Since it will be an agreement that will be up for negotiation- we can bake in adequate safeguards.
Ok we will have agreement like we have offset clause. Still if they want they will dump us what we done to offset clause violators nothing. Tommorow also if they violate also we can do nothing. It's a trap USA never want India to be self sufficient I hope India won't fall for this. USA is most in reliable partner.
how can we blame France/US for our inability to slap fines?
Even if we do if the goal of USG is to derail the project then they will still cancel even if it cost them money
Amreeka Ki Saazish to get us to buy their F-16 rebrand and F-18s.
Report: US revives offer to cooperate with India on the development of jet engine technology which to power Indian Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) General Electric (GE) of the US, has submitted a proposal for co-development of a 110 kn thrust engine (F414 EPE) with India.
US Revives Offer To Co-Develop AMCA Fighter Jet Engine With India
American turnaround overrides “export control” concerns which aborted an earlier bid for collaboration on jet engine technology through DTTI in 2019
Photo Credit : ADA
A graphic illustration of India’s futuristic Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA)
27June, 2022
by Vishal Thapar
The US has revived an offer to cooperate with India on the development of jet engine technology which could be used to power India’s futuristic Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA).
General Electric (GE) of the US, one of the world’s leading manufacturers of jet engines, has submitted a proposal for the co-development of a 110 kn thrust engine with Indian agencies.
Top military sources have confirmed to BW Businessworld that GE is being considered along with Safran of France and Rolls Royce of the UK for collaboration on the AMCA engine.
“The options for a tie-up are open from among the three contenders. The Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) is the lead agency and a private Indian entity is also likely to be involved in the programme,” sources disclosed.
The revival of US interest in the fighter engine programme is significant. An earlier proposal for collaboration on jet engine technology under the India-US Defence Trade and Technology Initiative (DTTI) was suspended in October 2019 on account of American reluctance to share core or hot engine technology. A joint working group on jet engine technology under the DTTI framework was thereafter disbanded.
The suspension of cooperation on jet engines was announced in New Delhi by Ellen Lord, the then US Under Secretary of Defence for Acquisition and Sustainment who was the co-chair of the India-US DTTI.
“We did run into challenges in terms of US export controls,” she had then acknowledged. Lord said the two sides could not come to an understanding of what exportable technologies would be useful to India.
There’s been simultaneous interest expressed by Safran and Rolls Royce for the engine co-development programme. These bids are energetically supported by their respective Governments.
Industry watchers read the US turnaround as a bid to retain its lead in powering India’s indigenous fighter jet programme, a position it does not wish to cede to European engine makers. The Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas is powered by the GE-F404 engine, which has an 85 kn thrust. India’s Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA)’s plans for the LCA Tejas Mk-2, AMCA Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft and the Twin Engine Deck-Based Fighter (TEDBF) are also closely woven around the 98 kn thrust GE-F414 engine. Several hundred of these aircraft will be produced.
Only when the AMCA programme matures to the Mk-2 level does the ADA envisage switching from a GE-F414 to an indigenous engine with a higher 110 kn thrust. It is for the development of that engine that India is seeking foreign collaboration. The AMCA Mk-2 production timelines commence around 2035. ADA also plans powering subsequent batches of the 26-ton TEDBF with the same indigenous engine as the AMCA’s.
The revival of the GE bid to co-develop the AMCA engine coincides with the development of an "Enhanced Performance Engine" or "EPE" variant of the GE-F414 for the US Navy. "The Enhanced Performance Engine includes a new core and a redesigned fan and compressor. It offers up to a 20 per cent thrust boost, increasing it to 26,400 pounds (120 kN), giving an almost 11:1 thrust/weight ratio,” it’s been stated. This matches or slightly exceeds the requirement for the AMCA Mk-2. Hence, GE will be ready with technologies required for a 110 kn engine required by India.
Sources also disclosed that the EPE will have the same dimensions as the original GE-F414 variant. Hence, no modifications will be required to the air frame for fitment or retro-fitment on the initial variants of the AMCA, the TEDBF and even the Tejas Mk-2. India, of course, doesn’t seek a hand-me-down solution but wants to gain knowhow and know why through this programme to design, develop and produce jet engines on its own in the future.
US Revives Offer To Co-develop AMCA Fighter Jet Engine With India
American turnaround overrides “export control” concerns which aborted an earlier bid for collaboration on jet engine technology through DTTI in 2019, , AMCA, general electric, GE-F414, GE-F414 EPE, drdo, ADA, Safran, rolls royce, TEDBF, LCA Mk-2
We are fcuked in this deal for next 20-30 years atleast.
They aren't offering anything but we have to pay for an improved engine based on GE F414 and then it will be assembled in India.
Are you saying, we need to pay for improved f414 [4.5th gen engine & like uae f16 bk60] and without tot or major benefits and no 5th gen engine ?
