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the amount of retardnes in this thread is mind boggling, blaming socialism communism just cause you have a rich papa to bankroll your pocket every other Indian doesn't have that luxury. most Hindus are poor & whoever talk about ending socialism in this country when average income is less than 1000 USD annually is not just a harmazada but a traitor who need to be shot dead.
Poor Hindu who are in majority don't own you s**t, no wonder BJP didn't divert from congress socialist policies.
Tell me...if socialism is so effective then why isn't India already rich and why after 70 years of independence, India still has ~2,000USD/capita GDP ?
Socialism believes in making a small pie smaller. Even if we believe that "some" social support is necessary, it doesn't justify Government running airlines, hotels, farms & everything which a marwari would do. This is what India has been doing.

When govt forgets its Kshatriya role and starts pretending to be baniya, disaster like India happens.
 

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People forget that largest number of princely states were in Kathiawar Gujarat.. I am myself a Gohil Rajput & we had Illustrious warriors Like Mokhdaji Gohil & Hamirji Gohil who fought the Muslim invasion.. we still worship them in our temples present day. Jai hind!
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Stop this nonsense of yours. Stop peddling your deliberate concoction and twisting of things in presenting those as facts. You must know what Rajput means and do not include and christine khokhars , Kukkurs, Jhanjuas and Bhuttos as Rajputs.

Kshatriyas as class defined is a separate issue and Rajputs is a separate issue. Chhatriays means bearer of Chhatra. The ancient Rk Veda defines all as functional components and not as high or low castes. It defines them as "Rajan" -

यत्पुरुषं व्यदधुः कतिधा व्यकल्पयन्। मुखं किमस्य कौ बाहू का उरू पादा उच्येते॥१२॥
राजन्य: कृत: ब्राह्मणोऽस्य मुखामासीद्वाहू। ऊरू तदस्य यद्वैश्यः पद्भ्यां शूद्रो अजायत॥१३॥
चंद्रमा मनसो जातश्चक्षोः सूर्यो अजायत। मुखादिंद्रश्चाग्निश्च प्राणाद्वायुरजायत॥१४॥
नाभ्या आसीदंतरिक्षं शीर्ष्णो द्यौः समवर्तत। पद्भ्यां भूमिर्दिशः श्रोत्रात्तथा लोकाँ अकल्पयन्॥१५



Rajputs are a recent phenomenon for which you will have to go the sacrificial fire ritual of Mount Abu. And if you want to know who they are read Col James Todd's " Annals and Antiquities of Rajasthan" before you start calling Sainies and Gwalas and Gadarias as Rajputs.......:pound:

Rajput is a different construct. And you must know them before you reach their collars lest you start referring to Arjuna and Krishan as Rajputs..
Chale ate hain kahan kahan se.....
 

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United Kingdom: As Labour Party takes anti-India stand, Indian diaspora to campaign for Conservatives in December 2019 elections



In an unprecedented development, which could have massive ramifications on the future of global politics, especially the United Kingdom, the Indian diaspora in Britain have decided to actively campaign for the incumbent Conservative Party in the UK general election.

With Labour Party taking an anti-India stand, the Indian diaspora is all set to reject them electorally in the upcoming elections, which could set up a new template for future elections in many countries.

According to the reports, the Indian diaspora and mainly the BJP supporters have decided to put their weight behind the Boris Johnson led Conservative party also known as the ‘Tories’ in the 48 marginal seats that go to polls on December 12. The Indian groups are campaigning for the ruling party and asking people belonging to Indian-origin voters not to vote for the Labour party.

The British Indian vote has the ability to decide the outcome of nearly 40 seats in the upcoming elections and could be a gamechanger if they vote en masse for one single party in the UK elections.

Kuldeep Singh Shekhawat, the UK President of Overseas Friends of BJP, said that his group had identified 48 Labour-Conservative marginal seats in which the British Indian vote could play a decisive role. He further stated that the Indian diaspora group is trying to oust six Indian-origin Labour MPs.

“We are doing this for three reasons. Firstly, some Labour MPs joined the violent protests outside India House on August 15 and September 3. Secondly, no Labour MPs spoke in favour of India in the House of Commons on Kashmir, and thirdly because of the Labour motion on Kashmir passed at their party conference. Kashmir is an internal matter of India. Why is the Labour party discussing the Indian state? We will only support MPs who support us,” Shekhawat said.

Shekhawat added that the diaspora is working with the Tory candidates in Keith Vaz’s ex seat, Tanmanjeet Singh Dhesi’s seat, Preet Gill’s seat, Lisa Nandy’s seat, Seema Malhotra’s and Valerie Vaz’s seats, he said. All six are Indian-origin Labour MPs.

He added that the Indian groups will not be supporting the Labour MPs because some of them have a Khalistani tag and are not doing anything for India or looking at India as a sovereign nation. “Some of them have signed letters against India. We will happily support anyone who supports India as a sovereign nation, including non-Indian origin candidates, against these candidates,” Shekhawat said.

Prominent Pakistan-origin people associated with the Labour Party in the UK were also part of anti-India protests where Pakistanis attacked the Indian High Commission in the UK in September 2019 on abrogation of Article 370 in J&K.

“If the entire Indian community in the UK votes Tory, we will see a swing of around 40 seats to the Tories. This will swing the actual election result,” he declared.

This is the first time the OFBJP has ever extended open support for a party in a UK general election. The Indian diaspora campaign against the Labour Party comes as a response for its anti-India stand of the Labour party. On September 25, the Labour Party had passed a resolution that supported “international intervention in Kashmir and a call for UN led-referendum.”

The resolution passed by the Labour party had asked Corbyn to meet the high commissioners of both India and Pakistan to ensure there is “mediation” and restoration of peace and normality to prevent a potential nuclear conflict. The Labour party’s stand on Kashmir is contrary to India’s position on Kashmir. India has categorically told the international community that its move on Kashmir was an internal matter. India maintains Kashmir is a bilateral issue and no third party has any role in it.

Interestingly, the Indian community in Britain till now never voted as a bloc, unlike the Pakistan community, which is directed by imams on how to vote. With Labour party trying to meddle in India’s internal affairs, the OFBJP is approaching temples, social groups, and hundreds of Asian community bodies to tell them not to vote Labour. “We have met 37 groups so far and organised meetings in all the possible temples,” Shekhawat said.

According to Shekhawat, the British-Indian group will be supporting just one Labour PIO MP, Virendra Sharma, who represents Ealing Southall, as he had stood up for the community.

He added that not a single Hindu will vote for Tanmanjeet Singh Dhesi as Hindu voters think he is working closely with the Pakistani community. “He is always seen with Pakistanis and goes to the Pakistan high commission. He is a vice-chair of the All-Party Parliamentary Group (APPG) on Britain-Pakistan Trade and Tourism and was vice-chair of the APPG Kashmir group. Why is that? The Indian community in Slough are annoyed and have decided to vote for the Tory candidate,” Shekhawat said.

The OFBJP UK President said that they have a team in each constituency which is going around with the Tory candidate leafleting, speaking to people and persuading them to vote Tory. The teams are organised by the BJP and Friends of India Society International (FISI), he added.

“Until December 2018 the majority of Indians supported Labour. But in the last seven to eight months Labour has shown a radical face. With Corbyn at the head, Labour is opposed to anything India wants to do and Corbyn never speaks good about India. Kashmir was the flashpoint. But anger was building up for months,” Shekhawat said.

Reportedly, the OFBJP has already organised their first campaign meeting and invited 300 Indian-origin constituents on Sunday to a meeting with Tory MP Bob Blackman from Harrow East who has a majority of just 1,757 above Labour. They also had a meeting with Dr Anwara Ali who is standing for the Tories in Harrow West, which currently has a Labour MP with a majority of 13,314.


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Good development! The Brits of the Labor Party still think they rule over India. These are the buggers who had created the Kashmir problem in 1947 and now they want to poke their dirty noses into India's internal affairs! No wonder the Pakis have hopped on to their anti India bandwagon.
 

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Tell me...if socialism is so effective then why isn't India already rich and why after 70 years of independence, India still has ~2,000USD/capita GDP ?
Socialism believes in making a small pie smaller. Even if we believe that "some" social support is necessary, it doesn't justify Government running airlines, hotels, farms & everything which a marwari would do. This is what India has been doing.

When govt forgets its Kshatriya role and starts pretending to be baniya, disaster like India happens.
Stop BS kid I am not here to listen to your stupid rent, govt is by the people for the people...not to serve some rich ****** & his cronies pals delusions of 21st century feudalism.
 

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United Kingdom: As Labour Party takes anti-India stand, Indian diaspora to campaign for Conservatives in December 2019 elections



In an unprecedented development, which could have massive ramifications on the future of global politics, especially the United Kingdom, the Indian diaspora in Britain have decided to actively campaign for the incumbent Conservative Party in the UK general election.

With Labour Party taking an anti-India stand, the Indian diaspora is all set to reject them electorally in the upcoming elections, which could set up a new template for future elections in many countries.

According to the reports, the Indian diaspora and mainly the BJP supporters have decided to put their weight behind the Boris Johnson led Conservative party also known as the ‘Tories’ in the 48 marginal seats that go to polls on December 12. The Indian groups are campaigning for the ruling party and asking people belonging to Indian-origin voters not to vote for the Labour party.

The British Indian vote has the ability to decide the outcome of nearly 40 seats in the upcoming elections and could be a gamechanger if they vote en masse for one single party in the UK elections.

Kuldeep Singh Shekhawat, the UK President of Overseas Friends of BJP, said that his group had identified 48 Labour-Conservative marginal seats in which the British Indian vote could play a decisive role. He further stated that the Indian diaspora group is trying to oust six Indian-origin Labour MPs.

“We are doing this for three reasons. Firstly, some Labour MPs joined the violent protests outside India House on August 15 and September 3. Secondly, no Labour MPs spoke in favour of India in the House of Commons on Kashmir, and thirdly because of the Labour motion on Kashmir passed at their party conference. Kashmir is an internal matter of India. Why is the Labour party discussing the Indian state? We will only support MPs who support us,” Shekhawat said.

Shekhawat added that the diaspora is working with the Tory candidates in Keith Vaz’s ex seat, Tanmanjeet Singh Dhesi’s seat, Preet Gill’s seat, Lisa Nandy’s seat, Seema Malhotra’s and Valerie Vaz’s seats, he said. All six are Indian-origin Labour MPs.

He added that the Indian groups will not be supporting the Labour MPs because some of them have a Khalistani tag and are not doing anything for India or looking at India as a sovereign nation. “Some of them have signed letters against India. We will happily support anyone who supports India as a sovereign nation, including non-Indian origin candidates, against these candidates,” Shekhawat said.

Prominent Pakistan-origin people associated with the Labour Party in the UK were also part of anti-India protests where Pakistanis attacked the Indian High Commission in the UK in September 2019 on abrogation of Article 370 in J&K.

“If the entire Indian community in the UK votes Tory, we will see a swing of around 40 seats to the Tories. This will swing the actual election result,” he declared.

This is the first time the OFBJP has ever extended open support for a party in a UK general election. The Indian diaspora campaign against the Labour Party comes as a response for its anti-India stand of the Labour party. On September 25, the Labour Party had
passed a resolution that supported “international intervention in Kashmir and a call for UN led-referendum.”

The resolution passed by the Labour party had asked Corbyn to meet the high commissioners of both India and Pakistan to ensure there is “mediation” and restoration of peace and normality to prevent a potential nuclear conflict. The Labour party’s stand on Kashmir is contrary to India’s position on Kashmir. India has categorically told the international community that its move on Kashmir was an internal matter. India maintains Kashmir is a bilateral issue and no third party has any role in it.

Interestingly, the Indian community in Britain till now never voted as a bloc, unlike the Pakistan community, which is directed by imams on how to vote. With Labour party trying to meddle in India’s internal affairs, the OFBJP is approaching temples, social groups, and hundreds of Asian community bodies to tell them not to vote Labour. “We have met 37 groups so far and organised meetings in all the possible temples,” Shekhawat said.

According to Shekhawat, the British-Indian group will be supporting just one Labour PIO MP, Virendra Sharma, who represents Ealing Southall, as he had stood up for the community.

He added that not a single Hindu will vote for Tanmanjeet Singh Dhesi as Hindu voters think he is working closely with the Pakistani community. “He is always seen with Pakistanis and goes to the Pakistan high commission. He is a vice-chair of the All-Party Parliamentary Group (APPG) on Britain-Pakistan Trade and Tourism and was vice-chair of the APPG Kashmir group. Why is that? The Indian community in Slough are annoyed and have decided to vote for the Tory candidate,” Shekhawat said.

The OFBJP UK President said that they have a team in each constituency which is going around with the Tory candidate leafleting, speaking to people and persuading them to vote Tory. The teams are organised by the BJP and Friends of India Society International (FISI), he added.

“Until December 2018 the majority of Indians supported Labour. But in the last seven to eight months Labour has shown a radical face. With Corbyn at the head, Labour is opposed to anything India wants to do and Corbyn never speaks good about India. Kashmir was the flashpoint. But anger was building up for months,” Shekhawat said.

Reportedly, the OFBJP has already organised their first campaign meeting and invited 300 Indian-origin constituents on Sunday to a meeting with Tory MP Bob Blackman from Harrow East who has a majority of just 1,757 above Labour. They also had a meeting with Dr Anwara Ali who is standing for the Tories in Harrow West, which currently has a Labour MP with a majority of 13,314.


https://www.opindia.com/2019/11/uk-...e-party/?utm_source=onesignal&utm_medium=push

Good development! The Brits of the Labor Party still think they rule over India. These are the buggers who had created the Kashmir problem in 1947 and now they want to poke their dirty noses into India's internal affairs! No wonder the Pakis have hopped on to their anti India bandwagon.
Indian diaspora has a collective IQ of 20...they need to be neutral, supporting trump & these right wing white filth in Europe is highest level of stockholm syndrome.... They will put you under the bus after they are done with other.
 

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Stop BS kid I am not here to listen to your stupid rent, govt is by the people for the people...not to serve some rich ****** & his cronies pals delusions of 21st century feudalism.
Einstein said something about stupidity, something about doing the same thing again and again....and something about that......

Socialism has obviously worked wonders in Cuba, Soviet Union, Cambodia, Vietnam, Venezuela and India in the last 70 years. Therefore, it is imperative that we implement socialism to make India great again.

We live in joker world, don't we? Atleast your avatar confers to that...
 

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Einstein said something about stupidity, something about doing the same thing again and again....and something about that......

Socialism has obviously worked wonders in Cuba, Soviet Union, Cambodia, Vietnam, Venezuela and India in the last 70 years. Therefore, it is imperative that we implement socialism to make India great again.

We live in joker world, don't we? Atleast your avatar confers to that...
Einstein was a communist...rest of your post is typical gibberish nothing else.
 

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If India and Pakistan Went To War, These 10 Weapons Would Shape the Future of the World.
While the world continues to focus on the U.S. presidential election, a massive hurricane off the coast of America, the showdown in Syria and tensions in the South China Sea, another crisis is fast developing between India and Pakistan. And if bullets start flying, considering the stakes on both sides, and the atomic arsenals involved, it could very well eclipse what is going on in the news cycle at a moments notice.

Both sides are heavily armed with some of the world's most deadly weapons of war, from submarines and aircraft carriers to the ultimate weapon of war that could instantly kill millions and spread radioactive terror around the globe: nuclear weapons.

But what nation has the advantage? Who has the stronger military? Which nation has the best equipment?

In 2014, Kyle Mizokami, a regular contributor to this publication, analyzed the 5 most lethal weapons India and Pakistan held in their arsenals and which systems each side should consider closely in any military contest. For your reading pleasure, we have packed both pieces into this one post. Let the debate begin.

Recently India alleged a series of ceasefire violations—in the form of automatic weapons fire—by Pakistan on the border between the two countries. According to India, it was the sixth attack in just five days. Such events are a reminder that tension remains high on the Indian subcontinent.
The nuclear arsenals of both sides—and the red lines that would trigger their use—have made conventional war much more risky to conduct. The 1999 Kargil War is considered the closest the world has come to a nuclear war since the Cuban Missile Crisis. If India were to use its superiority in ground forces to seize a sizable amount of Pakistani territory, Pakistan could respond with nuclear weapons.

It’s distinctly possible that any future war between India and Pakistan would involve limited action on the ground and full-scale fighting at sea and in the air. India has the upper hand in both, particularly at sea where it would have the ability to blockade Pakistani ports. Pakistan imports 83% of its gasoline consumption, and without sizable reserves the economy would feel the effects of war very quickly. An economic victory, not a purely military one might be the best way to decisively end a war without the use of nuclear weapons.


With that scenario in mind, let’s look at the five Indian weapons Pakistan would fear most in a war.

1. INS Vikramaditya Aircraft Carrier ::

Commissioned in November 2013, INS Vikramaditya is the newer and more modern of India’s two aircraft carriers. In the event of war, Vikramaditya would lead an offensive at sea designed to sweep the Pakistani Navy from the field. The nightmare scenario for Pakistan would be Vikramaditya parked off the coast of Karachi, Pakistan’s largest port, enforcing a naval blockade.

Originally built for the Soviet Navy as the anti-submarine aviation cruiser Baku, Vikramaditya was mothballed in 1996 after it became clear post-Cold War Russia could not afford to operate her. The ship was purchased by India in 2004, to be upgraded by Russian shipbuilders to a true aircraft carrier complete with angled flight deck. The updated design deleted all cruiser armament, including two 100mm deck guns, 192 SA-N-9 surface to air missiles and 12 SS-N-12 Sandbox anti-ship missiles.

Vikramaditya is 282 meters long and displaces 44,000 tons, making it less than half the displacement of American supercarriers. Nevertheless Vikramaditya’s powerful air wing is capable of executing air superiority, anti-surface, anti-ship and anti-submarine warfare. The carrier air wing is expected to consist of 24 MiG-29K or Tejas multi-role fighters and 10 anti-submarine warfare helicopters. India has ordered 45 MiG-29Ks, with the first squadron, 303 “Black Panthers” Squadron, stood up in May 2013.


2. INS Chakra Nuclear Attack Submarine ::

While INS Vikramaditya would be the visible symbol of a naval blockade, perhaps the real enforcers would be India’s force of 14 attack submarines. The most powerful of India’s submarines is INS Chakra, an Akula-II nuclear-powered attack submarine.

INS Chakra would be able to fulfill a variety of wartime tasks. It would be a real threat to Pakistan’s Navy, particularly her 11 frigates and eight submarines, only three of which are reasonably modern. Chakra is also capable of covertly laying mines in Pakistani waters and conduct surveillance in support of a blockade.
Construction of the submarine that would become Chakra began in 1993, but stalled due to lack of funding. In 2004 the Indian Navy agreed to fund the sub to completion—at a cost of $900 million—in exchange for a future 10 year lease with an option to buy. Delivery to the Indian Navy was supposed to take place in 2010, but transfer was delayed after a 2008 accident that killed 20 Russian Navy personnel and wounded another 21.

At 8,000 tons displacement, Chakra is as large as U.S. Virginia-class nuclear submarines. It has a maximum speed of 30 knots with a maximum operating depth of reportedly 520 meters. The sub not only has a customary large sonar hydrophone array on the bow, but also active and passive arrays scattered over the rest of the hull. Chakra also features a pod-mounted towed hydrophone array.

INS Chakra is armed with not only four standard diameter 533 torpedo tubes but also another four 650mm torpedo tubes. Armament includes the VA-111 Shkval supercavitating torpedo, a high speed torpedo capable of traveling at 220 knots to ranges of up 15 kilometers. Missile armament is in the form of 3M54 Klub anti-ship missiles. Chakra can carry up to 40 torpedo tube launched weapons, including mines. (Five merchant ships were struck by mines during the 1971 India-Pakistan War.) For defensive purposes, Chakra has six external tubes, each carrying two torpedo decoys.

According to the terms of the lease with Russia, Chakra cannot be equipped with nuclear weapons.


3. AH-64D Apache Longbow Block III Attack Helicopter ::

India’s recent agreement to purchase the AH-64D Apache helicopter represents a quantum leap in land firepower for the Indian Army. The Apache’s versatility means that it will be able to do everything from engage armored formations in a conventional war scenario to hunt guerrillas and infiltrators in a counterinsurgency campaign.

The Apache is one of the most battle proven attack helicopters fielded. Apache is capable of speeds of up to 171 miles an hour in high altitude environments, an important consideration in India’s mountainous terrain. The rotor blades are resistant to 12.7mm machine gun fire and the cockpit is protected from shrapnel by Kevlar shielding.

The Apache Longbow is optimized to attack and destroy armor—the mast-mounted millimeter-wave radar is capable of detecting and prioritizing up to 128 vehicle targets in a matter of seconds, then attacking up to sixteen targets in quick succession. For counterinsurgency operations, the thermal imaging sensor allows crew members to pick out individuals in ground cover and concealment.

The helicopter has four external hard points, each of which can mount four Hellfire missiles. A 30mm cannon capable of engaging light armor, soft targets or personnel is mounted underneath the helicopter chin and slaved to an optical sight worn by the pilot and gunner.

In a contract worth $1.4 billion dollars, in 2012 India agreed to purchase 22 Apache helicopters. Also included in the 2012 deal was a request for 812 Hellfire Longbow millimeter-wave radar guided missiles for use against tanks and armored vehicles and 542 Hellfires optimized for use against hard, soft and enclosed targets. Also included in the deal were 245 Stinger Block I missiles to provide an air-to-air capability.

In August, India offered to buy a further 39 Apaches, in an attempt to drive the overall unit cost down.


4. Su-30MKI Fighter ::

The Indian Air Force’s Su-30MKI air superiority fighter is meant to secure air superiority over Pakistan. The IAF has 200 Su-30MKIs in service with another 72 on order. A long-ranged, twin engine fighter with a powerful radar and formidable armament, the Su-30MKI will form the mainstay of the Indian Air Force.

The Su-30MKI is an evolution of the 1980s-era Su-27 Flanker. Thrust vectoring control and canards make the plane highly maneuverable, while the Zhuk active electronically scanned array radar makes it capable of engaging several targets at once. Complementing the Zhuk will be the Novator long-range air to air missile, capable of engaging targets at up to 300 to 400 kilometers.

The Su-30MKI has an impressive twelve hardpoints for mounting weapons, sensors and fuel tanks. The Su-30MKI is arguably superior to any fighter in the Pakistani Air Force, with the possible exception of the F-16 Block 50/52, of which Pakistan has only 18.

A portion of the Su-30MKI force has been modified for the strategic reconnaissance role. Israeli-made sensor pods reportedly give the Indian Air Force the ability to look up to 300 kilometers into Pakistan (or China) simply by flying along the border.

The Su-30MKI will grow even more lethal with the addition of the air-launched version of the BrahMos supersonic missile, currently under development. Each Su-30MKI will be capable of carrying a single BrahMos. BrahMos will give the Su-30MKI stand-off capability against ships and ground targets to ranges of 295 kilometers.


5. Indian Nuclear Weapons ::

India first tested a nuclear weapon in 1974, with the detonation of a 12 kiloton explosive device. The Indian government has been consistently tight-lipped on the status of their nuclear arsenal, and as a result a considerable amount of mystery surrounds India’s nuclear weapons.

The exact size of the arsenal is unknown but estimated to be between 90 and 110 nuclear devices. Statements by officials have lead outsiders to believe the maximum yield of Indian weapons to be around 200 kilotons, or approximately ten times the destructive power of the Hiroshima bomb.

India’s first nuclear delivery systems were likely attack aircraft—first the Jaguar, then the MiG-27 and Mirage 2000. Although capable, the aircraft were vulnerable to Pakistan’s air defense network and this vulnerability likely lead to the development of the land-based missiles. It is unknown whether nuclear weapons have been fitted to the Su-30MKI, but as a non-stealthly aircraft its ability to penetrate Pakistani defenses would not be dissimilar to a Mirage 2000.

Indian nuclear weapons are placed under the authority of the Strategic Forces Command. India’s primary delivery systems are land-based missiles. The Prithvi I and II liquid-fueled missiles have ranges from 150 to 350 kilometers and need half a day to prepare for launch. The Agni I, II, III and IV solid-fuel missiles are medium to intermediate range ballistic missiles with a range of 700 to 4,000 kilometers.

India is also on the verge of fielding its first ballistic missile submarine, the Arihant. Based on the Akula-I attack submarine design, Arihant has been modified to carry 12 K-15 short-range missiles or 4 K-4 intermediate-range nuclear missiles. Arihant is significant in that it will be able to patrol far beyond the range of Pakistani anti-submarine warfare capabilities. This will essentially make India’s retaliatory capability untouchable by Pakistan and thus a more credible deterrent.

India has a “no first use” policy regarding its nuclear weapons, reserving them solely for retaliation in the event of nuclear attack. Indian also adheres to a “minimum self defense” doctrine, in which the fewest nuclear weapons needed to maintain effective deterrence from attack are maintained.

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Since 1947, Pakistan has played second fiddle to a larger, stronger India. Despite spending 50% more as a percentage of GDP on defense than India, Pakistan is militarily much weaker than India, and would lose in any conventional war. Like North Korea, Pakistan is a weakening state that invested in nuclear weapons as an inexpensive way to assure territorial integrity. An invasion of Pakistan is now likely extremely dangerous and one of the surest ways to a nuclear war. In that respect, Pakistan’s nuclear program can be considered a success.

Pakistan practices a particularly brutal form of realpolitik that involves constantly playing one party against another, to distract all parties from Pakistan’s own weakness. In support of such a policy it has evolved a wide spectrum of destructive tools, from terrorist groups to nuclear weapons. All of these tools are arrayed against India. From terrorism to nuclear war, India has to consider a wide array of contingencies it could face from Pakistan. Here are five of the most dangerous weapons India could face in any contingency.


1. JF-17 Thunder Fighter Bomber ::

A low-cost, single-engine multirole fighter, the JF-17 “Thunder” was jointly designed by the Chengdu Aircraft Industry Group (developers of the J-20 fighter) and the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex. Two hundred JF-17s may be built for the Pakistani Air Force, a significant upgrade over the existing Mirage III, Mirage V, and Chengdu F-7 fighters. The JF-17 is destined to become the backbone of the Pakistani Air Force’s fighter fleet.

Pakistan, traditionally a strong customer for American weapons, purchased several dozen F-16 Fighting Falcons in the 1980s and 1990s. The first 40 were delivered but a second batch of 28 was not, held up by American disapproval over Pakistan’s nuclear weapons program. This delay sparked an effort by Pakistan to diversify the sources of its weapons. The need for fighters coincided with China’s burgeoning military aviation industry, and the JF-17 Thunder was born.

The JF-17 outwardly appears similar to existing Pakistani Air Force fighters, in particular the French Mirage V and the American F-16 Fighting Falcon. This is probably not a coincidence, and hints at extensive Chinese study of both fighters. First flight for the JF-17 was in Chengdu, China in August 2003, with initial production in 2007.

JF-17 Thunder has an extensive suite of features common to modern fighters: a fly-by-wire control system, pulse-Doppler radar for detection and air to air engagement, in-flight refueling capability, a laser designator for ground attack, an advanced defensive countermeasures suite, and an ergonomic cockpit featuring a heads-up display and full-color digital displays. It continues to benefit from the breakneck pace of Chinese aerospace development, with new engines, a new electro-optical, helmet-mounted targeting system and avionics upgrades all planned for the near future.

The JF-17 has five weapons hardpoints that can carry a total of 8,000 pounds of fuel, equipment or munitions. Air-to-air weapons are supplied by China, with PL-5 and PL-9 short-range infrared missiles occupying the two wingtip hardpoints. For beyond visual-range engagements, the JF-17 would be equipped with the Chinese PL-12 active-radar homing missile. Air-to-ground weapons are less well known but would likely include various forms of unguided “dumb” bombs, laser-guided bombs, rocket pods, precision-guided missiles and anti-ship missiles.


2. Khalid-Class Submarine ::

The Pakistani Navy is heavily outmatched by the Indian Navy in nearly all respects. The Indian Navy has more people, more ships and more planes. In terms of technology, it is far outstripping Pakistan. Pakistan’s most useful naval assets against India are its three Khalid-class diesel electric attack submarines. These submarines alone could practice an “anti-access, area-denial” (A2/AD) strategy of their own against an Indian Navy attempting to impose a blockade on Karachi and ports west.

The three Khalid-class submarines are modernized versions of the French Agosta-class diesel electric submarines. Khalid, Saad and Hamza are relatively small, weighing in at 2,050 tons submerged. The Khalid class can make 12 knots surfaced and just over 20 knots submerged. All three submarines have been fitted with an air independent propulsion system, allowing them to stay submerged—where they are difficult to detect—for greater periods.

Armament for the Khalid class is in the form of four 533mm standard diameter torpedo tubes. The torpedo tubes can be used to launch French-made ECAN F17 Mod 2 wire-guided torpedoes. Capable of both active and passive homing, the F17 Mod 2 can deliver a 250kg warhead up to 20 kilometers. At longer ranges, the submarines can strike targets with the famous Exocet anti-ship missile. SM39, the submerged version of Exocet, has a range of up to 50 kilometers and a high explosive warhead of 165 kilograms.


3. Pakistani Nuclear Weapons ::

Pakistan resolved to build a nuclear arsenal after the 1971 war with India; the 1974 test of an Indian atomic device reinforced in Pakistan’s view. Pakistan’s nuclear program proceeded under the notorious Dr. A.Q. Khan, considered the “Father of the Pakistani Bomb.” In 1998, Pakistan shocked the world by simultaneously detonating multiple nuclear devices that ranged in yield from sub-kiloton to up to a possible 36 kilotons.

The number of nuclear weapons Pakistan is thought to possess is unknown but estimated to be between 90 and 110, a number derived from the amount of fissile material Pakistan is thought to have produced. Pakistani nukes are thought to have two delivery systems: aircraft bombs and ballistic missiles. Early model Pakistani F-16 fighter-bombers were probably designated in the late 1990s to carry nuclear gravity bombs. From Pakistan’s F-16 base at Sargodha, a nuclear armed F-16A could reach as far as central India. That is, if it can get through India’s national air defense network.

Pakistan has two short-range tactical ballistic missiles, the Ghaznavi and Shaheen missiles. Pakistan is currently developing two more short range missiles, the Abdali and Nasr. For longer range strikes Pakistan has an unknown number of Ghauri-2 missiles, an intermediate range ballistic missile based on the North Korean Nodong missile. Not much is known about the Ghauri-2, which was first deployed in the 1990s. A liquid fueled, road mobile, single stage missile with a range of approximately 2,000 kilometers, it theoretically has the ability to hit eighty percent of India. A newer intermediate range ballistic missile, Shaheen-2, is solid-fueled and reportedly has a range of 2,000 kilometers.

Despite the proliferation of Pakistani nuclear weapons and delivery vehicles this does not particularly mean Pakistan has a secure or reliable nuclear arsenal. The physical security of Pakistani nuclear weapons—particularly against a military coup or terrorist attack—has been a source of concern for the West and the United States in particular. The proliferation of Pakistani nuclear missile designs suggests early designs have been less than successful.


4. Non-State Actor Terrorist Groups ::

Perhaps the most dangerous weapon in Pakistan’s arsenal are terrorist groups.

The danger to India is that these groups—particularly those plotting and conducting attacks against civilians—could pressure the Indian government to retaliate militarily against Pakistan.

The larger danger of such groups is that they could prompt the Indian government to take measures that would lead to all-out war between the two countries. The activation of India’s “Cold Start” conventional military doctrine, in which the Indian Army would defeat the Pakistani Army and then rapidly move into Pakistan, could trigger a nuclear response from Pakistan, leading to a nuclear exchange between the two countries.


5. Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs) ::

Given Pakistan’s history of provocations against its neighbor India, the revelation that the Pakistani military is getting into drones is not exactly good news. Since 2008, Pakistan has fielded two small unmanned aerial vehicles for tactical reconnaissance, the Shahpar and Uqab. Although drones have legitimate battlefield uses, the thought of Pakistan possessing drones spurs thoughts of more nefarious purposes than providing reconnaissance and security for Pakistani troops.

The smaller of the two drones, Uqab, is described by Pakistani defense contractor Global Industrial Defence Solution (GIDS) as a “tactical UAV system which can be used for battlefield damage assessment, aerial reconnaissance, artillery fire correction, search and rescue, route monitoring, flood relief operations” and so on. Uqab has a range of 150 kilometers and an endurance of six hours. A twin-tailed design with a single push turboprop engine, Uqab is capable of speeds of up to 120 to 150 kilometers an hour. Navigating by GPS, Uqab has both a full color real-time camera and a thermal imager camera.

The Shahpar drone, also made by GIDS, is slightly larger and faster, about 15% bigger and capable of speeds up to 150 kilometers per hour. Some effort has been put into reducing the Shahpar’s radar signature, although with a large push propeller attached to the rear of the drone that may be a forlorn hope. Endurance is increased to 7 hours, and the data link can transmit real-time video up to 250 kilometers. Shahpar is capable of autonomous takeoff, flying and landing, utilizing GPS.

India would fear the Shahpar and Uqab drones because they are the ideal complement to small armed groups—whether Pakistani Rangers or Laskhar-e-Taiba—sent to stir up trouble at a border outpost or in a large city. Drone surveillance could be used to reconnoiter objectives, screen flanks and provide security, and provide real-time intelligence. The Shahpar, capable of carrying payloads of up to 50 kilograms, could likely even be used to covertly deliver cargo.
You have mentioned only the Shahpar and Uqab UAVs. The Pakis have also procured the Burraq UCAV from China that are being assembling by NESCOM in Pakistan for the PAF and Pak Army.
 

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People forget that largest number of princely states were in Kathiawar Gujarat.. I am myself a Gohil Rajput & we had Illustrious warriors Like Mokhdaji Gohil & Hamirji Gohil who fought the Muslim invasion.. we still worship them in our temples present day. Jai hind!
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Everyone contributed to what we are today. Only weak minds look for the fall guy.

Victories or losses were all our collective.

Those who still want to debate history must bring in details than sweeping generalizations. @ashdoc has done quite a good work on battels of Panipat and detailed what went wrong against Marathas.
 

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Former Jammu and Kashmir chief minister Mehbooba Mufti's daughter has asked the administration to shift her mother, under detention at a guesthouse here for the last three months, to a place equipped to deal with the Valley's harsh winter.
 

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What’s the story with chitral?
Is it ours or not?
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What’s the story with chitral?
Is it ours or not?
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A beautiful sketch of Pre-1947 Jammu & Kashmir map before Pakistan illegally occupied a part of it.
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Chitral is an independent wazarat mainly inhabited by Shina,Khowar speakers who belong to Dardic Branch which makes them cultural siblings of Kashmiris along with Gilgit people. The Mir of Hunza(a district in Gilgit) maintained suzereignty over Chitral. It is distinct from rest of Khyber Pakhtunkwa which has Pastun,Hindko speakers predominantly,despite being administratively part of Khyber Pakhtunkwa now.

Technically it is part of the princely state of Kashmir before Brits fked it up and made it go rogue. We should take it back frm Pakis coz it is culturally Dardic, and also have a less populace for a huge land which gives us an additional 350kms+ border with Afghanistan besides the 100 odd kms border we have at wakhan.

Historical fact- Greater Chitral also has the Swat valley which is the birth place of our Panini. It shd be on our wishlist too. :]
 

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Key to capture Northern Areas is Close air support & Long range artillery & rockets with some precision missiles for strategic targets & high troops concentration atleast 7:1 & air superiority ,there will be high casualties in beginning but Indian army could march upto shaksgam valley if planned & executed at right time with element of surprise ,one game changer is BrahMos vertical steep dive can blow enemy logistics behind high himalayan mountains which supply enemy bunkers at heights which otherwise wouldn't be possible with artillery because of its ballistic trajectory & would have required PGM from Air forces but all this is theoretical our enemy is already muddled in its own cobwebs,if we attack now it would only unite them against the 'kuffars',let enemies internal faultlines deepen some more the salwar kameez fauj is literally despised by aam jihadis because of its impotency on kashmir with now even paki elites against the al baki army coupled with no economic respite for a 7th largest nation in terms of population by its traditional sugar daddies such as Saudi,UAE & USA ,let the pot simmer some more the stew will be much more delicious.
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Bikhario s dosti krne ka yah yeh hi nuksan hota h.
Yeh turkey ko har jaga s pakya ja rha h. :drool::drool:
 

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Government should strike the London for running hindu phobic policies and kick there ass.

Because this policy of certain European countries in long term can become life threatening for Hindus in abroad.
 
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