Kashmir Fateh Thread August 2019

[sorcerer]

Shri Radha Krishna Mathur would be first LG of UT Laddakh.

Shri Girish Chandra Murmu would be first LG of UT J&K.




Girish Chandra Murmu to be LG of J&K: All you need to know about him
IAS officer Girish Chandra Murmu has been appointed as the Lt Governor of Jammu and Kashmir, according to an official spokesperson.


A 1985-batch IAS officer with a reputation for industriousness, Girish Chandra Murmu currently holds the post of Expenditure Secretary in the finance ministry.

Girish Chandra Murmu was principal secretary to Prime Minister Narendra Modi during his tenure as CM of Gujarat. He is considered to be a close confidante of the prime minister and thus held key administrative positions in Gujarat.


https://www.indiatoday.in/amp/india...you-need-to-know-about-him-1612977-2019-10-25

Modi and Team getting very serious with the development of UT of J&K and UT of Ladakh

 

[ForigenSanghi]

Hence my theory Pakistan will never fall apart, as long as ISI is operational.

Don't think so. Once our GDP (and mill budget) becomes a certain multiple of the porkis we will go for the decapitating strike.

Right now GDP ratio is about 10:1 and Defence Budget is 5:1 ratio.
By my estimates for 2035, these will be 20:1 and 10:1 respectively.

Once that sort of quantitative supremacy is achieved, I highly doubt anyone will try to prop up the porkis.

The only possible issue is India going soft in front of porki taqiyya.

 

[12arya]

Additionally the inhabitants in POK will be a massive problem which needs to be dealt with.

we shud nvr accommodate that jihadi population into our country!!! take the land...cause a paki exodus from pok!

 

[ezsasa]

Don't think so. Once our GDP (and mill budget) becomes a certain multiple of the porkis we will go for the decapitating strike.

Right now GDP ratio is about 10:1 and Defence Budget is 5:1 ratio.
By my estimates for 2035, these will be 20:1 and 10:1 respectively.

Once that sort of quantitative supremacy is achieved, I highly doubt anyone will try to prop up the porkis.

The only possible issue is India going soft in front of porki taqiyya.

A few counter examples:

Ukraine Vs Russia
Cuba Vs US
South Korea vs China
Yemen vs Saudi Arabia

And let’s not forget nuke factor..

Degrading Pakistan’s ability to wage jihadi war against India in the future is a different conversation. Not to be confused with breakup of Pakistan.

 

[dkkgp]

A few counter examples:

Ukraine Vs Russia
Cuba Vs US
South Korea vs China
Yemen vs Saudi Arabia

And let’s not forget nuke factor..

Degrading Pakistan’s ability to wage jihadi war against India in the future is a different conversation. Not to be confused with breakup of Pakistan.

I disagree IMHO the only thing stopping us from decapitating and disintegrating Pak is Energy dependency on Gulf countries. The only counter to that is to forge deeper economic and strategic ties with Arabs or wait till the post-oil economy. For the later, we are looking at a 20 yr+ timeline. It's oil money which has sustained them so long and saved them in wars. This is the plain naked truth. Pak was, is and will be nothing without Arab economic support.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

A few counter examples:

Ukraine Vs Russia
Cuba Vs US
South Korea vs China
Yemen vs Saudi Arabia

And let’s not forget nuke factor..

Degrading Pakistan’s ability to wage jihadi war against India in the future is a different conversation. Not to be confused with breakup of Pakistan.

Pakistan cannot be compared to Russia.
Russia is having tons of natural resources and they still have class of there own. Russia is to big to be India's poor cousin. (indian diplomat said)

South Koreans have a good life with big economy.
Yemeni people are dumbo but still they are native to that land.

Cuba is barely surviving.

BIGGEST EXAMPLE SOVIETS. most mighty power lost because of lack of money.

Soviets created several artificial states like Pakistan with time most of them failed.
There are serious differences between mother land and artificial land.
Pakistan consists of several other totally different racial groups pakjabi being most dominant. Baluchistan already started protests one of the biggest areas of pak. And most resource rich. Sindhi. Biggest pashtun peace moment happening in Pakistan.

How long a ideology survive in poverty?
I agree first 2nd 3rd generation of Pakistan can have love for the country and will provide one bread from there plate to army but do you think? 5th generation willl do that when they don't have anything to eat. And meanwhile india is rising reached 20 trillion mark. A rising india makes Pakistan irrelevant to the world.
Many of the Pakistani will be jumping fence to come into india. That's the biggest thing which Pakistan fears india making it irrelevant its just pak army holding them together.
If india sanctioned Pakistan and destroy it's economy they will fall. Just like soviets just like many other nations who were anti US and went pro US because of money. Venezuela is a hell hole.
Soviet also had nukes they were maneged.

 

[Nicky G]

And add this to that..

In every western capital there is a silent & strong Chinese lobby. And in the US and UK, there is a strong Pakistan lobby.

Chinese lobby will ensure there is no direct confrontation between US and China, paki lobby will continue to keep dangling some carrot or the other to US and UK to survive harsh retaliation.

Hence my theory Pakistan will never fall apart, as long as ISI is operational.

Questions to ask is why is there a strong Chini or Porkie lobby and not an Indian one.

You also forgot the Chini and Porkie sellouts in India who were till not so long ago close to power.

 

[Shashank Nayak]

A few counter examples:

Ukraine Vs Russia
Cuba Vs US
South Korea vs China
Yemen vs Saudi Arabia

And let’s not forget nuke factor..

Degrading Pakistan’s ability to wage jihadi war against India in the future is a different conversation. Not to be confused with breakup of Pakistan.

Not the right comparison... Neither are Ukraine, Cuba or Yemen non-state quo powers, nor do they keep a proxy war going in Russia, US or Saudi...
Here Pakistan wants to capture kashmir, and keeps openly supporting insurgencies in kashmir and Punjab earlier. It would not have done this if India had overwhelming conventional superiority. Right now we do not have a overwhelming edge over Pakistan.

 

[ezsasa]

Not the right comparison... Neither are Ukraine, Cuba or Yemen non-state quo powers, nor do they keep a proxy war going in Russia, US or Saudi...
Here Pakistan wants to capture kashmir, and keeps openly supporting insurgencies in kashmir and Punjab earlier. It would not have done this if India had overwhelming conventional superiority. Right now we do not have a overwhelming edge over Pakistan.

It was a response to the post above, scenario was 2035.

 

[ezsasa]

PM "AJK" Farooq Haider makes a painful confession, says "merely dialogues (by Pakistan) is not enough, we are burying dead (faujis/jiahdis) everyday - why don't you bomb Indian brigade HQ?"

P.S. 20th Oct India bombed Pak Army District HQ in Athmuqam, denied by Ghafoora[emoji1781]

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Good the more we / average public sees these anti india activities the more public will stop taking word's of western media too seriously.

 

[Srinivas_K]

Good the more we / average public sees these anti india activities the more public will stop taking word's of western media too seriously.

England is behind these protests. They support Pakistan against India in Indian sub continent and they also support Islamic radicals against Indian origin people in England.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

England is behind these protests. They support Pakistan against India in Indian sub continent and they also support Islamic radicals against Indian origin people in England.

Indian government could have humiliated them and called them out.
But because of tons of indian origin people living there they don't do that.
And some times even try to use imperialist language against india through its cuck channel bbc. (every single boris interview is taken by BBC).

But the point is how we Tackle this condition.

 

[Srinivas_K]

Indian government could have humiliated them and called them out.
But because of tons of indian origin people living there they don't do that.
And some times even try to use imperialist language against india through its cuck channel bbc. (every single boris interview is taken by BBC).

But the point is how we Takle this condition.

1) Ignore and our media should not highlight these protests
2) Indian Origin people at high table in England should come out and voice their discomfort against the current Govt.
3) Indian Govt. should cancel and suspend the trade deals with UK.
4) Suspend the cultural exchanges and missionary programs that are coming from UK.

 

[Haldiram]

Good the more we / average public sees these anti india activities the more public will stop taking word's of western media too seriously.

These protests should grow bigger and bigger. Let India and Pakistan both amass people on the streets of London, and let it disrupt the daily order of life. There's no reason for there to be only 100-150 people to be present for the convenient purpose of British sponsored photo ops. Let there be 1000's of people on every incident, Diwali, Holi, Eid, Muharram, let it block traffic, break windows and obstruct business in London. Let them throw rocks at the shops around them. If the British are so interested to put their nose in our business, it's got to have a blowback on their own homeland. Let the protests grow bigger and bloodier. Itna pareshan kardo ke wo khud bole, bencho, we don't want this headache anymore.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Not the right comparison... Neither are Ukraine, Cuba or Yemen non-state quo powers, nor do they keep a proxy war going in Russia, US or Saudi...
Here Pakistan wants to capture kashmir, and keeps openly supporting insurgencies in kashmir and Punjab earlier. It would not have done this if India had overwhelming conventional superiority. Right now we do not have a overwhelming edge over Pakistan.

Disagree that we do not have a overwhelming edge over Pakistan conventionally. We have to realize that the first leaders failed miserably at national security
Issues. Any issue that originated from Nehru time was a failure. He wanted to disband the military the buffoon he was. If we want total overwhelming conventional superiority we should have an indigenous military manufacturing base. Because of corruption this was never established. Modi is trying but it takes decades to make a thriving military industrial complex and no technology transfers available for this.

 

[Why so serious?]

Shock Value: The Newest Targets on Hit List of Militants in Kashmir – Electrical Towers
Counterinsurgency officials in the Valley are concerned by what appears to be a fresh strategy from militant groups which could lead to blackout and loss of lives.
UPDATED ON: OCTOBER 25, 2019, 11:29 PM IST
Aakash Hassan , News18.com
Representative image. (Reuters)

Srinagar: In what appears to be a fresh strategy to disrupt life in Kashmir and destroy critical infrastructure, militants have started targeting electricity transmission towers in the Valley. On Thursday evening, during a search operation following a jihadist attack on non-local truckers in Chitragam area of south Kashmir’s Shopian district, security personnel were surprised to find two sections of a 400MW strategic power transmission line cut at the base.

The joint forces of Army, Jammu and Kashmir Police and Central Reserve Police Force were combing through the village following the strike in which two truckers were killed and one injured. They found that a few metres off the road where the attack had taken place, a transmission tower had been damaged.

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Gas cutters had been used to sever the limbs of the tower, a police official who was part of the search operation told News18.

“We had to put people on the job who protected the tower for the night. Otherwise, it could have collapsed,” the official said.

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Had the tower toppled over, it could have been disastrous, officials in J&K Police and civil administration told News18.

“There would have been major fault in the electricity infrastructure of Kashmir, which could have led to loss of power, lives and blackout spreading to many parts of the Valley,” an official in the state power department said.

The 400MW Kishanpur-Wagoora transmission line distributes electricity to many parts of the Valley and is maintained by the Power Grid Corporation of India Limited.


Counterinsurgency officials in Kashmir are concerned by what appears to be a new strategy from jihadi groups in the Valley.

“The terrorists managed to cut two limbs of this massive tower with gas cutters, but it appears they later ran out of gas and couldn’t cut the other two limbs,” an official who was at the spot where the incident occurred told News18.

Officials say fortunately the tower number 348, which was targeted, is a suspension tower.

“The suspension tower stands between two towers, and is meant to be for the support of other structures,” said one of them.

The counterinsurgency grid is looking for a fresh approach to take on these tactics.

“This is going to be a major challenge. There are hundreds of such towers in Kashmir which can become easy targets,” a police official said. “We haven’t seen such kind of targeting previously in the history of Kashmir militancy. Earlier, mobile phone towers were targeted, though not in this way. But electricity transmission towers have never been damaged.”

The transmission tower is just metres away from the spot where the truckers were killed and their apple-laden vehicles set ablaze after suspected terrorists fired on them indiscriminately on Thursday evening. This was the fourth such incident in which non-Kashmiris were purportedly attacked in the past 15 days in the southern region of the Valley.

The trucks, according to J&K Police officials, were passing through Chitragam village when they were attacked by the gunmen, leaving the people on board the two vehicles injured. Two among them, police officials told News18, succumbed to their injuries at the spot while another one was shifted to SMHS Hospital in Srinagar in critical condition.

Those killed were identified as Ilyas Khan, driver of the truck, and its conductor Zahid Khan. Both were in their mid-thirties and hailed from Alwar, Rajasthan. The third, another driver, who sustained bullet injuries and was identified as Jeewan Kumar from Hoshiarpur in Punjab, is being treated at the hospital in Srinagar.

There has been a rash of attacks on non-locals in the Valley after the central government stripped Jammu and Kashmir of its special status under Article 370 of the Constitution and divided the state into two union territories on August 5.

In the first such incident, militants killed a truck driver in Shirmal area of Shopian on October 14. A few hours later, a labourer working at a brick kiln was killed in Pulwama district. Shortly after, two apple traders were targeted in which one died on the spot and another was critically wounded.

These attacks, according to reports, is a reaction of militants against New Delhi’s decision to abrogate the special status of the strife-torn state.

The apple industry, which is considered the backbone of Kashmir’s economy and ensures livelihood for half of the 8 million population, is already suffering huge losses due to the restive situation in the Valley since August 5.

 

[Why so serious?]

Girish Chandra Murmu to be LG of J&K: All you need to know about him
IAS officer Girish Chandra Murmu has been appointed as the Lt Governor of Jammu and Kashmir, according to an official spokesperson.

• • India Today Web Desk
• New Delhi
• October 25, 2019
• UPDATED: October 26, 2019 08:29 IST

Girish Chandra Murmu was principal secretary to Prime Minister Narendra Modi during his tenure as CM of Gujarat.

IAS officer Girish Chandra Murmu has been appointed as the Lt Governor of Jammu and Kashmir, according to an official spokesperson.

A 1985-batch IAS officer with a reputation for industriousness, Girish Chandra Murmu currently holds the post of Expenditure Secretary in the finance ministry.

Girish Chandra Murmu was principal secretary to Prime Minister Narendra Modi during his tenure as CM of Gujarat. He is considered to be a close confidante of the prime minister and thus held key administrative positions in Gujarat.

The two Union Territories will come into existence on October 31 . The Modi government had on August 5 abrogated provisions of Article 370 that granted a special status to Jammu and Kashmir.

Parliament approved the resolution in this regard and also passed the bill on the bifurcation of the state into two Union Territories.

On August 9, President Ram Nath Kovind gave assent to the Jammu and Kashmir Reorganisation Act, 2019, bifurcating the two Union Territories.

What about the laws?

The Union Territory of Jammu and Kashmir will have a Lieutenant Governor and the maximum strength of its assembly will be 107, which will be enhanced to 114 after a delimitation exercise.

Twenty-four seats of the Assembly will continue to remain vacant as they fall under Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK).

Powers of the Lieutenant Governor

All India Services like the Indian Administrative Service (IAS) and the Indian Police Service (IPS), and the Anti-Corruption Bureau (ACB) will be under the control of the L-G and not the elected government of the UT of J&K.

Common high court for the UTs

On and from the appointed day, that is October 31, when the two newly created UTs will come into existence, the High Court of Jammu and Kashmir shall be the common high court for the UTs of Jammu and Kashmir, and Ladakh.

 

[Patak_K_Marunga]

Don't think so. Once our GDP (and mill budget) becomes a certain multiple of the porkis we will go for the decapitating strike.

Right now GDP ratio is about 10:1 and Defence Budget is 5:1 ratio.
By my estimates for 2035, these will be 20:1 and 10:1 respectively.

Once that sort of quantitative supremacy is achieved, I highly doubt anyone will try to prop up the porkis.

The only possible issue is India going soft in front of porki taqiyya.

We will achieve that before 2030. Keep calm and PKMKB

 

[Patak_K_Marunga]

Shock Value: The Newest Targets on Hit List of Militants in Kashmir – Electrical Towers
Counterinsurgency officials in the Valley are concerned by what appears to be a fresh strategy from militant groups which could lead to blackout and loss of lives.
UPDATED ON: OCTOBER 25, 2019, 11:29 PM IST
Aakash Hassan , News18.com
Representative image. (Reuters)

Srinagar: In what appears to be a fresh strategy to disrupt life in Kashmir and destroy critical infrastructure, militants have started targeting electricity transmission towers in the Valley. On Thursday evening, during a search operation following a jihadist attack on non-local truckers in Chitragam area of south Kashmir’s Shopian district, security personnel were surprised to find two sections of a 400MW strategic power transmission line cut at the base.

The joint forces of Army, Jammu and Kashmir Police and Central Reserve Police Force were combing through the village following the strike in which two truckers were killed and one injured. They found that a few metres off the road where the attack had taken place, a transmission tower had been damaged.

Advertisement
Gas cutters had been used to sever the limbs of the tower, a police official who was part of the search operation told News18.

“We had to put people on the job who protected the tower for the night. Otherwise, it could have collapsed,” the official said.

Advertisement

Had the tower toppled over, it could have been disastrous, officials in J&K Police and civil administration told News18.

“There would have been major fault in the electricity infrastructure of Kashmir, which could have led to loss of power, lives and blackout spreading to many parts of the Valley,” an official in the state power department said.

The 400MW Kishanpur-Wagoora transmission line distributes electricity to many parts of the Valley and is maintained by the Power Grid Corporation of India Limited.


Counterinsurgency officials in Kashmir are concerned by what appears to be a new strategy from jihadi groups in the Valley.

“The terrorists managed to cut two limbs of this massive tower with gas cutters, but it appears they later ran out of gas and couldn’t cut the other two limbs,” an official who was at the spot where the incident occurred told News18.

Officials say fortunately the tower number 348, which was targeted, is a suspension tower.

“The suspension tower stands between two towers, and is meant to be for the support of other structures,” said one of them.

The counterinsurgency grid is looking for a fresh approach to take on these tactics.

“This is going to be a major challenge. There are hundreds of such towers in Kashmir which can become easy targets,” a police official said. “We haven’t seen such kind of targeting previously in the history of Kashmir militancy. Earlier, mobile phone towers were targeted, though not in this way. But electricity transmission towers have never been damaged.”

The transmission tower is just metres away from the spot where the truckers were killed and their apple-laden vehicles set ablaze after suspected terrorists fired on them indiscriminately on Thursday evening. This was the fourth such incident in which non-Kashmiris were purportedly attacked in the past 15 days in the southern region of the Valley.

The trucks, according to J&K Police officials, were passing through Chitragam village when they were attacked by the gunmen, leaving the people on board the two vehicles injured. Two among them, police officials told News18, succumbed to their injuries at the spot while another one was shifted to SMHS Hospital in Srinagar in critical condition.

Those killed were identified as Ilyas Khan, driver of the truck, and its conductor Zahid Khan. Both were in their mid-thirties and hailed from Alwar, Rajasthan. The third, another driver, who sustained bullet injuries and was identified as Jeewan Kumar from Hoshiarpur in Punjab, is being treated at the hospital in Srinagar.

There has been a rash of attacks on non-locals in the Valley after the central government stripped Jammu and Kashmir of its special status under Article 370 of the Constitution and divided the state into two union territories on August 5.

In the first such incident, militants killed a truck driver in Shirmal area of Shopian on October 14. A few hours later, a labourer working at a brick kiln was killed in Pulwama district. Shortly after, two apple traders were targeted in which one died on the spot and another was critically wounded.

These attacks, according to reports, is a reaction of militants against New Delhi’s decision to abrogate the special status of the strife-torn state.

The apple industry, which is considered the backbone of Kashmir’s economy and ensures livelihood for half of the 8 million population, is already suffering huge losses due to the restive situation in the Valley since August 5.

LMAO, these losers are now desperate and running like headless chickens. Keep calm and PKMKB