JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

[farhan_9909]

Hi farhan , in the same way your info about DSI and LREX converting JF-17 into RSS fighter is also wrong.

looking at the small wings , it follows the old philosophy of tree top flying for low level dumb bombing and it can't pull of agile maneuvers at high alt in high speeds which is needed in a true air superiority fighter of the modern world.


See this is always going to happen with all chinese fighters. Not a single one of them is original in design all improved copies of obsolete bygone era airframes with no use for the future..

lol

dsi and lerx both are next generation technology.

diamong shaped nose is the next major modification.

no doubt the jft 2 will have the rcs of eft level.
lerx are there for high aoa..

the chinese fighters even if i suppsoe are still based off a successful design unlike lca which is not true saab viggen neither the mirage 2000.but a hybrid of both and a dead design.

on one had jft has next generation design inputs like lerx,dsi,twin ventral fins and most important a diamond shaped nose.the compound delta of lca is struck at its 80's design with not a single change since than

 

[ersakthivel]

lol

dsi and lerx both are next generation technology.

diamong shaped nose is the next major modification.

no doubt the jft 2 will have the rcs of eft level.
lerx are there for high aoa..

the chinese fighters even if i suppsoe are still based off a successful design unlike lca which is not true saab viggen neither the mirage 2000.but a hybrid of both and a dead design.

on one had jft has next generation design inputs like lerx,dsi,twin ventral fins and most important a diamond shaped nose.the compound delta of lca is struck at its 80's design with not a single change since than

Still it doesnot complete a full vertical loop at an airshow, why?

 

[farhan_9909]

That says something about the quality of Chinese made SU-27 clones than the effectiveness of JF-17. So now you have your confirmation why all chinese cheap copy of russian fighters are all junk level, so that they can easily be taken off with even JF-17!!!!!!!!!!

it means PAF is stronger than PLAF!!!!!!!!!!

Oh My God!!!!!!!!!!!

The chinese made russian version of RD-93 is robust????????

Ask the HAL guys about the reliability of RD-93.

With such high thrust to weight ratio why are the pilots of Su-27 busting JF-17 still afraid to do a complete vertical loop?

Answer , please.

so you mean to say jft is a smaller fighter and it must be inferior to su 27 always?

well as per the jane source the paf official said it achieved better than expected results against su 27..nothing about defeating su 27

there is a difference between rd-33 and rd-93..just watch out the videos of jft and your older mig 29 and compare the smoke emission by rd-33 and rd-93
in the jft you will notice very less smoke.

beside this we will get rd-93ma with 91.2kn thrust.which will make jft even more maneuverible..

paf stronger than plaaf?when i said so..

paf with f-16a/b has defeated UK airforce eft..does it mean paf is better than raf?

RAF Eurofighter Typhoons 'beaten by Pakistani F-16s' "¢ The Register

 

[farhan_9909]

no idea about JV.

Nope they dont want me, they say i am too expensive.

any way back to the topic, Any pic of JF 17 firing missiles and other weapons ?

well indeed you must not have any idea about jv..because you manufacturer none at home and only import.

well no picture of pt-04 firing any missile..since the integration and testing process is carried out inside Kamra.may be some where else as well

 

[farhan_9909]

no idea about JV.

Nope they dont want me, they say i am too expensive.

any way back to the topic, Any pic of JF 17 firing missiles and other weapons ?

well indeed you must not have any idea about jv..because you manufacturer none at home and only import.

well no picture of pt-04 firing any missile..since the integration and testing process is carried out inside Kamra.may be some where else as well

 

[MAYURA]

Stalin was as bad as Hilter perhaps even worse, and in the end the USA would have won the war with Germany, same as Japan, with nuclear weapons if needed.

do you people manufacture even bikes on your own?

The amount of technical graduates india has will not be surpassed by shit pakistan in next 50 years.

sleep peacefully in your dream.

 

[sayareakd]

well indeed you must not have any idea about jv..because you manufacturer none at home and only import.

we dont have madarsa education system that is why we dont know what JV is.

 

[farhan_9909]

we dont have madarsa education system that is why we dont know what JV is.

even if were to a pure place like madrassa virus are not allowed to enter

 

[AVERAGE INDIAN]

The JF-17 has been a compromise solution and will remain so. But the quest for perfection means that the strict requirements of IAF may or may not be fulfilled. The pakis however have gone ahead and inducted the JF-17, if you can call that an induction, while we still are a year or 2 years to go to IOC. But we have made good strides forward and while the capabilities and weaknesses of LCA are well known, pakis and chin have tried and tried hard to hide theirs.

The biggest example is the DSI or diverterless supersonic Inlets. What am I talking about? we all see a bump or hump near the air-inlets. That is what is called DSI. Gotit? It is talked about as if its such an achievement in aerospace engineering. It is nothing but making a virtue out of weakness, it had to be added because the airflow wasnt good enough. They had to add it. So they added a hump near the inlet and talk as if they have added a canard or new control surface. Anyways Let them enjoy while they can. Bakre ki maa kab tak khair manayegi.

So as repeated Basically the Super 7 was a project China wanted to go ahead with with the Super Saber plan faded away. Then when Pakistan joined in the project the name was rechanged to the FC-1 which means Fighter China 1. This name was adopted by the chinese where as recently Pakistan chose a name for their version and named it the JF-17 Thunder. Basically the number 17 was used to make an impact as it operated the F-16 already.

 

[AVERAGE INDIAN]

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[farhan_9909]

DSI of JF-17

could not see the engine blades

now lca
sometime i think lca was designed as a timepass fighter.it has no feature worth mentioning
could not find any close up image

those tiny intakes makes it look like a trainer

 

[farhan_9909]

A diverterless supersonic inlet (DSI) is a type of jet engine air intake used by some modern combat aircraft to control air flow into their engines. It consists of a "bump" and a forward-swept inlet cowl, which work together to divert boundary layer airflow away from the aircraft's engine while compressing the air to slow it down from supersonic speed. The DSI can be used to replace conventional methods of controlling supersonic and boundary layer airflow for speeds of up to Mach 2, such as the intake ramp and inlet cone, which are more complex, heavy and expensive.[1]

Research into the DSI was done by Lockheed Martin in the early 1990s. The first DSI was flown on 11 December 1996, installed on a F-16 Block 30 fighter and replacing aircraft's original intake diverter. The modified F-16 demonstrated a maximum speed of Mach 2.0 and handling characteristics similar to a normal F-16. It was also shown that subsonic specific excess power was slightly improved. A DSI was later incorporated into the design of the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II.[1]

Diverterless supersonic inlet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[farhan_9909]

A diverterless supersonic inlet (DSI) is a type of jet engine air intake used by some modern combat aircraft to control air flow into their engines. It consists of a "bump" and a forward-swept inlet cowl, which work together to divert boundary layer airflow away from the aircraft's engine while compressing the air to slow it down from supersonic speed. The DSI can be used to replace conventional methods of controlling supersonic and boundary layer airflow for speeds of up to Mach 2, such as the intake ramp and inlet cone, which are more complex, heavy and expensive.[1]

Research into the DSI was done by Lockheed Martin in the early 1990s. The first DSI was flown on 11 December 1996, installed on a F-16 Block 30 fighter and replacing aircraft's original intake diverter. The modified F-16 demonstrated a maximum speed of Mach 2.0 and handling characteristics similar to a normal F-16. It was also shown that subsonic specific excess power was slightly improved. A DSI was later incorporated into the design of the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II.[1]

Diverterless supersonic inlet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[sayareakd]

DSI of JF-17

could not see the engine blades

congrats you have find yourself stealth Junk fighter, we are happy with what ever LCA we got for our needs. For JF 17 single MKI with duel arm rack is enough to take out most of the squadron.

 

[lcatejas]

How much pakis contributed in JF 17... in technology side ? or only paint Job

 

[farhan_9909]

yes only paint job.

do watch the videos of PAC

 

[ersakthivel]

DSI of JF-17

could not see the engine blades

now lca
sometime i think lca was designed as a timepass fighter.it has no feature worth mentioning
could not find any close up image

those tiny intakes makes it look like a trainer

If you go near and take a big photo it too will look as big as JF-17's
F-22 does not have sexy DSI. Will it make F-22 3rd gen fighter.
The job of the intake is to provide enough air to engine. Whater it is DSI or splitter plate.

So do you think TYPHOON , SUKHOI-30 MKi, SUKHOI-35 ,and F-22 which have no DSI intake like TEJAS inferior to JF-17?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Tejas design is smart, Small Y shape intake with additional intakes and comes with reliable Engine, There is lots of air for engine to breath, Unlike DSI comes with its own issues specially at low speeds given that JF-17 underpowered flammable engine, indicated the designers are wanna be kind, this also indicate why China decided to step away from inducting it, Also no doubt this poorly design fighter already have multiple crashes with Pilots burned alive in it..

This what happens when Logic lost in madness of forced induction, Which is paid with Pilot lives now and many more to come, JF-17 exsistance was only a political move to show Pakistan has brains and compete with India regardless the open secret that program is funded and worked out with Chinese copy tech Industry,Pakistan nor have facility or funds to contribute anything..

@ersakthivel

 

[ersakthivel]

Tejas design is smart, Small Y shape intake with additional intakes and comes with reliable Engine, There is lots of air for engine to breath, Unlike DSI comes with its own issues specially at low speeds given that JF-17 underpowered flammable engine, indicated the designers are wanna be kind, this also indicate why China decided to step away from inducting it, Also no doubt this poorly design fighter already have multiple crashes with Pilots burned alive in it..

This what happens when Logic lost in madness of forced induction, JF-17 exsistance was only a political move to show Pakistan has brains and compete with India regardless the open secret that program is funded and worked out with Chinese copy tech Industry,Pakistan nor have facility or funds to contribute anything..

@ersakthivel

chinese themselves improved it from their J-7 or super -7, which was based on MIG-21.That is why the fighter has short stubby wings like the military planes of bygone era.

LREX added because the original MIG-21 had stability problems once 2/3 rd of it's fuel is used up. It has been explicitly stated that only to solve the control problems LREX was added.

However the JF-17 is more accident prone than MIG-21, comparing 4 fighters lost in a short span of time due to engine and other problems, even though it is brand new and just 40 of them is inducted in service just a few years ago.

compare that to 2000 odd incident free test flights of tejas across 10 platforms for the past 12 years of test flight program.

Even it's pilot ejection system malfunctioned trapping the pilot says something about the reliability of this CHINA-PAK venture.

 

[farhan_9909]

4 crashes?really?any source?

only 1 crash had happened in the past 6 years.that too due to bird hit.