JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

[farhan_9909]

lol...
please don't compare J-17 with saab Gripen, as gripen is far better.
u still don't have any BVR for j-17

and please correct some figures for saab.
Thrust/weight: 0.97 and not 0.90 as mentioned by you
Wing area: 30.0 m² (323 ft²) and not 25.54 sq m
Maximum speed: Mach 2 (2,204 km/h, 1,372 mph) at altitude and not 1.8 mach as mentioned by you

If you can prove Gripen better than JFT(a/b or c/d) than prove it otherwise the chart is not written by me either.

 

[SilentKiller]

If you can prove Gripen better than JFT(a/b or c/d) than prove it otherwise the chart is not written by me either.

Saab JAS 39 Gripen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

please compare itself with your JF-17 from wiki

 

[farhan_9909]

Saab JAS 39 Gripen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

please compare itself with your JF-17 from wiki

i compared and found both of them almost comparable

while Gripen beats jft in avionics on the other hand JFT beats gripen in manouveribility.

rest is youtube your friend

 

[SilentKiller]

i compared and found both of them almost comparable

while Gripen beats jft in avionics on the other hand JFT beats gripen in manouveribility.

rest is youtube your friend

Gripen beats JF-17 in Thrust to weight ratio
JF-17 has 0.91 while Gripen has 0.97 check again then.
and wing area for gripen is 30 sq m while for JF-17 is only 24.4 sq m, more the wing better the angle of attack and maneuverability.

Please recheck again:thumb:

 

[p2prada]

Gripen flies better than the F-16. JF-17 does not, at least, yet.

 

[Defcon 1]

while Gripen beats jft in avionics on the other hand JFT beats gripen in manouveribility.

How do you know that? Post your sources.

 

[Armand2REP]

Well Pakistan already had a choice of IRIS-T.but we selected MAA-1B.because we may even fund the R-darter ng wvr program and has already bought mar-1 from brazil.

Well Brasil had a choice between MAA-1B and A-Darter. They are mass producing A-Darter in partnership with Denel which tells us MAA-1B didn't meet its requirements.

and we had no other choice since PL-9C is not for export

Really??

Then why is it displayed at airshows for export?

Oh yeah, they also have the ground launched version available too!

 

[Defcon 1]

Well Pakistan already had a choice of IRIS-T.but we selected MAA-1B.because we may even fund the R-darter ng wvr program and has already bought mar-1 from brazil.

and we had no other choice since PL-9C is not for export

IRIS-T is considered to be fifth gen missile while MAA-1B, as you posted is only fourth gen, how did you find MAA-1B better?

 

[farhan_9909]

How do you know that? Post your sources.

not just him but youtube is also your friend

 

[farhan_9909]

Well Brasil had a choice between MAA-1B and A-Darter. They are mass producing A-Darter in partnership with Denel which tells us MAA-1B didn't meet its requirements.

A darter is not ready yet.and wont be available for export atleast until 2017.
We wanted to buy MAA-1A even order was placed but as confirmed by H khan paf later opted to wait and go for the more advance variant MAA-1B

Ofcourse A darter is better than MAA-1B but that wont be ready for the next couple of years.
A darter is even regarded more better than IRIS-T

Really??

Then why is it displayed at airshows for export?

Oh yeah, they also have the ground launched version available too!

yes i heard so.because there is no missile even remotely equal to PL-9c neither would be any in active service for the next few years

 

[farhan_9909]

IRIS-T is considered to be fifth gen missile while MAA-1B, as you posted is only fourth gen, how did you find MAA-1B better?

Where i said MAA-1B is better than IRIS-T

A darter would be in the class of IRIS-T

 

[farhan_9909]

MAA-1B and PL5IIE for the JFT block 1 and block 2

PL-9C or A darter for the block 3

or may be the awc one

 

[p2prada]

Isn't it too early to say what weapons will be used on B3...

 

[Armand2REP]

A darter is not ready yet.and wont be available for export atleast until 2017.
We wanted to buy MAA-1A even order was placed but as confirmed by H khan paf later opted to wait and go for the more advance variant MAA-1B

Ofcourse A darter is better than MAA-1B but that wont be ready for the next couple of years.
A darter is even regarded more better than IRIS-T



yes i heard so.because there is no missile even remotely equal to PL-9c neither would be any in active service for the next few years

So you are retracting your statements on MAA-1 as being much less than IRIS-T and PL-C9 not being exported. Because clearly it is not as good and China sells that missile. A Darter is superior to 1B so Brazil won't waste their time with it.

 

[Defcon 1]

@Blackwater

you have read wrong. looking at its dimensions only MKI is more easier to fly mirages or jaguars.

Actually the sentence I read went something like this

There is some argument among IAF pilots as to whether Jaguars or Mirages are the best handled planes in IAF, but all of them agree that Tejas handles better than both of them

From this I concluded that MKI is more difficult to handle than Jaguars and Mirages. This was published in an article on Tejas in some defence magazine and the author was a former IAF pilot himself. I tried finding it last night but was unsuccessful, please forgive me.

 

[Defcon 1]

Where i said MAA-1B is better than IRIS-T

A darter would be in the class of IRIS-T

You said IRIS-T was available but you chose MAA-1B. Why would PAF do that?

 

[farhan_9909]

So you are retracting your statements on MAA-1 as being much less than IRIS-T and PL-C9 not being exported. Because clearly it is not as good and China sells that missile. A Darter is superior to 1B so Brazil won't waste their time with it.

A darter is in development and we cant wait 3-4 more years..
in the mean time we will get MAA-1B which is considered almost comparable to python 4.

Hence is a good WVR

 

[SilentKiller]

A darter is not ready yet.and wont be available for export atleast until 2017.
We wanted to buy MAA-1A even order was placed but as confirmed by H khan paf later opted to wait and go for the more advance variant MAA-1B

Ofcourse A darter is better than MAA-1B but that wont be ready for the next couple of years.
A darter is even regarded more better than IRIS-T



yes i heard so.because there is no missile even remotely equal to PL-9c neither would be any in active service for the next few years

 

[SilentKiller]

A darter is in development and we cant wait 3-4 more years..
in the mean time we will get MAA-1B which is considered almost comparable to python 4.

Hence is a good WVR

Where u get all your info.....
can i get the source, youtube or web any is welcomed.

 

[farhan_9909]

Where u get all your info.....
can i get the source, youtube or web any is welcomed.

about what?

MAA-1B?if so than posted above already