J20 Stealth Fighter

[Steven Rogers]

Or we can say that PLAAF doesn't think that they need to deploy J-20 in Tibet to counter IAF in this decade..



The only thing that any fighter jet of any air force during peace time can do is: air patrols.



No, using F-35A to simulate Chinese J-20's combat function in their training is not new. When was the last time that USA use a fifth gen jet to mock her adversary's fifth gen jet?



What future? Obviously, J-20 is going to be backbone of PLAAF for a very very long time.

They just can't deploy,their flankers have better chance in case of war/skirmishes than J20....
Fairly well, j20 won't be going to meet the enemy aircraft in case of conflict that's for sure....
Did they need to do that earlier,they were the only ones and are still the only with a complete 5gen pacakage with them.....
J20 maybe in future,but it isn't a threat in the present,put better engines with better MTBF then we can talk of it competing....

 

[Steven Rogers]

BTW, this one was performing a vertical climb with no AB again and then exhibits absolute control at stall

And no it was not powered by WS-15

Are you blind or what,your aircraft couldn't keep its nose from sinking when it was performing roll at high AOA,that explains it's slow speed capability,it couldn't even control the maneuver and had to abandoned in the subsequent roll.......

 

[SexyChineseLady]

Are you blind or what,your aircraft couldn't keep its nose from sinking when it was performing roll at high AOA,that explains it's slow speed capability,it couldn't even control the maneuver and had to abandoned in the subsequent roll.......

It wasn't a high AoA, it hit stall at the top of vertical climb (zenith.) Planes are not multistage rockets that can keep going up forever. I'm sure even you understand that.

It handled the slow speed at near stall with full control.

But please continue with coping. Just remember that China produces J-16s and J-10s at prodigious rates but it decided to do that now with the far more expensive J-20 because there are obvious advantages

 

[Steven Rogers]

It wasn't a high AoA, it hit stall at the top of vertical climb (zenith.) Planes are not multistage rockets that can keep going up forever. I'm sure even you understand that.

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It handled the slow speed at near stall with full control.

But please continue with coping. Just remember that China produces J-16s and J-10s at prodigious rates but it decided to do that now with the far more expensive J-20 because there are obvious advantages

Seriously ,are you this naive,perhaps you've no idea of the design aspects of aircraft's inlets and flight control.....
Now go and watch Rafale,Tejas and Sukhoi of Indian airforce performing the very same maneuver cleanly without any hiccup,perhaps that could help you in your cope....

 

[J20!]

Seriously ,are you this naive,perhaps you've no idea of the design aspects of aircraft's inlets and flight control.....
Now go and watch Rafale,Tejas and Sukhoi of Indian airforce performing the very same maneuver cleanly without any hiccup,perhaps that could help you in your cope....

Please post a video of tejas performing a full roll at stall speed and low altitude. I'd love to see that

Rafale too if you can find 1. The sukhoi at least has early gen TVC. But none are stealth platforms, so why even bring them up?

That control at stall with no TVC is a credit to the FCS 's use of those MASSIVE all moving control surfaces ( all moving rudders and canards) and leading and trailing edge flaps.

But this is all just oointless banter till we have an actual IAF stealth fighter to compare with. That won't be happening till the 2030's at this rate.

 

[Steven Rogers]

Please post a video of tejas performing a full roll at stall speed and low altitude. I'd love to see that

Rafale too if you can find 1. The sukhoi at least has early gen TVC. But none are stealth platforms, so why even bring them up?

That control at stall with no TVC is a credit to the FCS 's use of those MASSIVE all moving control surfaces ( all moving rudders and canards) and leading and trailing edge flaps.

But this is all just oointless banter till we have an actual IAF stealth fighter to compare with. That won't be happening till the 2030's at this rate.

Is youtube banned in your country??their are tons of airshows in which LCA has participated and had performed exceptionally well,let alone LCA,you have j16 flankers watch its performance and then think,the pilot avoided a possible mishap by abandoning the maneuver,it was at certain AOA at good slow speed[had it been at stall(prior to the execution) speed it would've fall of the sky], thankfully the pilot was good enough to come out of the mistake(claws did good ofcourse)))......

 

[ym888]

J20 ZHUHAI 2022

COOL I LIKE

 

[strcat]

Is youtube banned in your country??their are tons of airshows in which LCA has participated and had performed exceptionally well,let alone LCA,you have j16 flankers watch its performance and then think,the pilot avoided a possible mishap by abandoning the maneuver,it was at certain AOA at good slow speed[had it been at stall(prior to the execution) speed it would've fall of the sky], thankfully the pilot was good enough to come out of the mistake(claws did good ofcourse)))......

The maneuverability of LCA is not even as good as J7, you talk to us that it is comparable to J20, good joke

 

[jai jaganath]

The maneuverability of LCA is not even as good as J7, you talk to us that it is comparable to J20, good joke

Yeah again a copy of mig-21
Ur retardness is amazing maneuverability of tejas us far better than your fighters it's fbw is top notch
We took time to perfect it and take the best nectar possible from the design
If u have any brain go look at its videos
Your j-20 overturned due to high AoA at low speed and attitude that's natural
Coming to comparing its design why does it have canards if its best 5th gen fighter

 

[J20!]

Is youtube banned in your country??their are tons of airshows in which LCA has participated and had performed exceptionally well,let alone LCA,you have j16 flankers watch its performance and then think,the pilot avoided a possible mishap by abandoning the maneuver,it was at certain AOA at good slow speed[had it been at stall(prior to the execution) speed it would've fall of the sky], thankfully the pilot was good enough to come out of the mistake(claws did good ofcourse)))......

So you can't find any videos of the tejas doing the maneuver? Of course not, the Tejas isn't configured for the same maneuvers at stall speed because of the MASSIVE difference in lift generating surface area and available power between the two.

But all that doesn't matter because HAL is somehow a magicians outfit capable of defying the basic physics of aeronautics. This cheap nationalism just degrades any factual discussions on these threads.

Please post the J16 maneuver in question, I haven't seen it...

 

[SexyChineseLady]

No one's a pilot here so it is just silly arguments. All we know is China is ramping up production of the J-20 with Chinese engines.

The "critics" in this thread come from a place without a stealth fighter or a domestic engine it is all sour grapes

 

[ym888]

Video of the Zhuhai Air Show taken by a Russian



The J20 moving through the clouds is so cool

 

[J20!]

No one's a pilot here so it is just silly arguments. All we know is China is ramping up production of the J-20 with Chinese engines.

The "critics" in this thread come from a place without a stealth fighter or a domestic engine it is all sour grapes

You don't need to be a pilot. Just 2 eyes. 1 has more than double the available lift generating surface area more than triple available control surface area and more than double available non and afterfterburning thrust.

It's just Natìnalism and a lack of objectivity forcing a need to compare the incomparible.

This silly "Tejas is better than J20 because it's made in India" argument defies physics let alone budgetary and industry logic.

 

[MiG-29SMT]

Dude remember you claimed the no. of
j20 would never more than F22. Any update about your conclusion?

you are on drugs most of my comments are about aerodynamics and performance you just want to sound smart claiming lies i do not estimate numbers, by the way those are estimates

 

[SexyChineseLady]

Starting the engine and checking out control surfaces!

 

[MiG-29SMT]

You don't need to be a pilot. Just 2 eyes. 1 has more than double the available lift generating surface area more than triple available control surface area and more than double available non and afterfterburning thrust.

It's just Natìnalism and a lack of objectivity forcing a need to compare the incomparible.

This silly "Tejas is better than J20 because it's made in India" argument defies physics let alone budgetary and industry logic.

on aircraft is not size what matters because there are basic considerations such as thrust to weight ratio or wing loading on combat weight and mission profile, can LCA be better? perhaps because it has less restrictions due to stealth

 

[MiG-29SMT]

No one's a pilot here so it is just silly arguments. All we know is China is ramping up production of the J-20 with Chinese engines.

The "critics" in this thread come from a place without a stealth fighter or a domestic engine it is all sour grapes

the phallic J-20 boy using it for his pride, China just became nuclear target

 

[MiG-29SMT]

Is youtube banned in your country??their are tons of airshows in which LCA has participated and had performed exceptionally well,let alone LCA,you have j16 flankers watch its performance and then think,the pilot avoided a possible mishap by abandoning the maneuver,it was at certain AOA at good slow speed[had it been at stall(prior to the execution) speed it would've fall of the sky], thankfully the pilot was good enough to come out of the mistake(claws did good ofcourse)))......

There are few things to think about them, J-20 has not shown any particular great agility, that is right, but still without a manual is hard to know

 

[rockdog]

you are on drugs most of my comments are about aerodynamics and performance you just want to sound smart claiming lies i do not estimate numbers, by the way those are estimates

Now it shows no one knows drug better than a forum member from Mexico.

The following comments came from you 2 yrs ago: you claimed max 40 J20 and lack of pilots. But just two year after there are already nearly 150 J20 and pilots are on 300 hours average per year.

Again, even you had PHD, you came from a nation with very incompleted industry capability. You don't understand how the massive productivity would cost down everything，from purchase price to MRO.

This is economics and I knew your claimed was stupid and just waited to let you know now.

the USA spends a lot of money in bases around the world and have black programs, China has no chances to beat the USA, the next American administration will focus in more China as a Military threat.

J-20 is a heavy fighter, it is expensive, labour intensive, needs lots of pieces, software.


40 aircraft might be the ideal, but remember Japan nor South Korea have a chance to succeed because aircraft are expensive.

J-20 for example to keep it flying must be in the $20000-30000 dollars per hour.

Tell me how many chinese can eat just with 20 J-20s flying one hour?

Got it?

The Russians are building S-70 Okhotnik as a fighter, it is cheaper to have a 1000 km/hour robot plane with higher G capability no human onboard so 9G is not the limit, plus much more stealthy.


Gripen which is one of the cheapest aircraft flies per around USD $10000 dollars an hour

Okhotnik will be a full-fledged multifunctional [aerial] vehicle with the possibility of using it as a long-range unmanned fighter-interceptor," the source told Sputnik.

Russian 'Okhotnik' Combat Drone to Perform First Weapon Tests Next Year, Source Says

MOSCOW (Sputnik) - Russia’s stealth heavy combat drone Okhotnik ("Hunter") will carry out flight tests involving the use of weapons next year, a source in the aircraft industry told Sputnik.

sputniknews.com

let us suppose J-20 cost 70 million dollars a piece, and a flying hour of $18000.

Why do you think most pilots train in simulators?


the reality is J-20 will become to expensive, the Russians know expensive aircraft are difficult too mantain so they are going for a unmanned fighter.

Now think a higher thrust air breathing engine is the best solution for range and payload in fact the best is the use the less fuel and more air so S-70 should be more practical than J-20 or Su-57 and that is the reason it is bigger than american or Chinese UAVs

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so 40 might be produced but will not fly as often and remember biggest problem of aircraft once they are operational are obsolete, in 2020 very likely F-22 is obsolete and Russia probably can dody the americans have 6th generation fighters

 

[SexyChineseLady]

Now it shows no one knows drug better than a forum member from Mexico.

The following comments came from you 2 yrs ago: you claimed max 40 J20 and lack of pilots. But just two year after there are already nearly 150 J20 and pilots are on 300 hours average per year.

Again, even you had PHD, you came from a nation with very incompleted industry capability. You don't understand how the massive productivity would cost down everything，from purchase price to MRO.
This is economics and I knew your claimed was stupid and just waited to let you know now.

He's weirdo with weird ideas combined with a lot of racism.

Only 40? lol

Over 200 is just a start. Wait till the WS-15 goes into production