J20 Stealth Fighter

[rockdog]

 

[Arjun Mk1A]

Slightly confused. CB0369 means this is the 369th J20 fighter or some other designations.

 

[rockdog]

c may for Chengdu
b 03 may for block
69 is 69th for block 3

not confirmed by official

 

[lcafanboy]

Dud China Maal....

 

[Steven Rogers]

Dud China Maal....

News say that they have 200s of these,if the aircraft is that much underpowered that it can't even maintain its nose during a roll then no wonder why IAF is not much bothered about j20s growing number....

 

[jai jaganath]

Dud China Maal....

I might be wrong but many in comments have written its due to low speed in high AoA
So it happens
Not expert here but same question in my mind

 

[no smoking]

News say that they have 200s of these,if the aircraft is that much underpowered that it can't even maintain its nose during a roll then no wonder why IAF is not much bothered about j20s growing number....

Well, how can IAF be bothered if they have no proper jet to face it?
Su-57? Obviously Russians themselves are not very satisfied by the performance.
F-35 or F-22? Americans are not going to sell it to India in any time soon.
AMCA? Well, basically it won't enter into service before 2030.

Let's see the other side of Asia, Korean and Japanese are trying to buy more F-35, Taiwanese is giving up their original plan of air-dominance and turning to insurgent war on the land, Americans are using F-35A to perform the function of adversary air combat to mock the Chinese J-20.

The biggest problem of IAF is: insufficient budget. When you have no money, the only thing you can do is: don't look up!

 

[rockdog]

Well, how can IAF be bothered if they have no proper jet to face it?
Su-57? Obviously Russians themselves are not very satisfied by the performance.
F-35 or F-22? Americans are not going to sell it to India in any time soon.
AMCA? Well, basically it won't enter into service before 2030.

Let's see the other side of Asia, Korean and Japanese are trying to buy more F-35, Taiwanese is giving up their original plan of air-dominance and turning to insurgent war on the land, Americans are using F-35A to perform the function of adversary air combat to mock the Chinese J-20.

The biggest problem of IAF is: insufficient budget. When you have no money, the only thing you can do is: don't look up!

The realistic aim for IA might make LCA fully functional and bring a updated version. This will make India go through the whole modren fighter R&D process. But this would need another 15 years.

IA shouldn't counter PLAF by purchase forgein fighters. They spent 18 years to decide whether it's good to buy 126 or 36 rafale.

Meanwhile，in one year China produced
24 J20，24 J10，24 J16，12 J15...
And there are 30 exported version of J10pk and JF17...

China and USA are the only two nations have ability to produce 100 fighters annually... And it excludes other important supportive aircraft like kj500，Y20 ...

 

[jai jaganath]

The realistic aim for IA might make LCA fully functional and bring a updated version. This will make India go through the whole modren fighter R&D process. But this would need another 15 years.

IA shouldn't counter PLAF by purchase forgein fighters. They spent 18 years to decide whether it's good to buy 126 or 36 rafale.

Meanwhile，in one year China produced
24 J20，24 J10，24 J16，12 J15...
And there are 30 exported version of J10pk and JF17...

China and USA are the only two nations have ability to produce 100 fighters annually... And it excludes other important supportive aircraft like kj500，Y20 ...

Sorry to correct u but lca is at its most advanced form and deliveries will start from 2024 and coming to tactics and logistics of it then things are being planned and made with help of existing lca fleets in foc configuration soon ioc will be converted to foc as suggested by brochure of hal
Iaf has one habit that they don't take time to formulate tactics logistics planning after the delivery they always focus that the moment aircraft enters the service then it should be operational

 

[Steven Rogers]

Well, how can IAF be bothered if they have no proper jet to face it?
Su-57? Obviously Russians themselves are not very satisfied by the performance.
F-35 or F-22? Americans are not going to sell it to India in any time soon.
AMCA? Well, basically it won't enter into service before 2030.

Let's see the other side of Asia, Korean and Japanese are trying to buy more F-35, Taiwanese is giving up their original plan of air-dominance and turning to insurgent war on the land, Americans are using F-35A to perform the function of adversary air combat to mock the Chinese J-20.

The biggest problem of IAF is: insufficient budget. When you have no money, the only thing you can do is: don't look up!

J20 is underpowered why would PLAAF deploy underpowered aircraft at the bases in Tibet to counter india,IAF prime focus is retiring old aircrafts with the new multirole aircrafts,they are not bothered at least not in this decade with the j20....
Against other Asian nations,j20 is flying from plains,it atmost can only perform the Air patrols....
Americans deploying their premiere technology on the front line is no new,they are most probably harrasing the Chinese forces even with the f35 if Chinese are fielding j20 to counter.....
Other Asian nations are planning for the future and not against the current state of Chinese air power ....
The biggest problem with IAF is leadership,their decision making is influenced by the lethargic bureaucrats,they can't think beyond the present,they have money they just don't have leadership and commitment in their superiors,perhaps no one wants any kind of stain on their white collar at the end of their careers.....

 

[SexyChineseLady]

Underpowered lol

Well maybe as a coping mechanism for people with sour grapes

Straight up, no AB and with two WS-10Cs

 

[Steven Rogers]

Underpowered lol

Well maybe as a coping mechanism for people with sour grapes

Straight up, no AB and with two WS-10Cs

Are you people this naive,let me help the aircraft must have prepared for vertical and thus have earlier retained energy(as almost every fighter does before going vertical,our LCA which is termed as underpowered does with ease)for the maneuver,try watching the whole of j20s performance in whatever airshow you do rather than making reels/tiktoks,trust me if you ve even a slight idea about this you will find that the most bashed/hated aircraft of the modern generation (f35) performs better than J20,be it in pointing nose or in sustained rate..j20 can't even do a proper roll with its nose pitch up and Chinese think that this is some special maneuver which their Chinese pilot invented....

 

[SexyChineseLady]

Are you people this naive,let me help the aircraft must have prepared for vertical and thus have earlier retained energy(as almost every fighter does before going vertical,our LCA which is termed as underpowered does with ease)for the maneuver,try watching the whole of j20s performance in whatever airshow you do rather than making reels/tiktoks,trust me if you ve even a slight idea about this you will find that the most bashed/hated aircraft of the modern generation (f35) performs better than J20,be it in pointing nose or in sustained rate..j20 can't even do a proper roll with its nose pitch up and Chinese think that this is some special maneuver which their Chinese pilot invented....

Oh please, it doesn't take to extra energy perform a roll! The classic way to determine TWR adequacy is going vertical

Rolling is all in the control surfaces not thrust:

These "criticisms" are just more sour grapes from people without a operational stealth fighter or a domestic engine

 

[SexyChineseLady]

BTW, this one was performing a vertical climb with no AB again and then exhibits absolute control at stall

And no it was not powered by WS-15

 

[MiG-29SMT]

 

[no smoking]

J20 is underpowered why would PLAAF deploy underpowered aircraft at the bases in Tibet to counter india,IAF prime focus is retiring old aircrafts with the new multirole aircrafts,they are not bothered at least not in this decade with the j20....

Or we can say that PLAAF doesn't think that they need to deploy J-20 in Tibet to counter IAF in this decade.

Against other Asian nations,j20 is flying from plains,it atmost can only perform the Air patrols....

The only thing that any fighter jet of any air force during peace time can do is: air patrols.

Americans deploying their premiere technology on the front line is no new,they are most probably harrasing the Chinese forces even with the f35 if Chinese are fielding j20 to counter.....

No, using F-35A to simulate Chinese J-20's combat function in their training is not new. When was the last time that USA use a fifth gen jet to mock her adversary's fifth gen jet?

Other Asian nations are planning for the future and not against the current state of Chinese air power ....

What future? Obviously, J-20 is going to be backbone of PLAAF for a very very long time.

 

[rockdog]

Dude remember you claimed the no. of
j20 would never more than F22. Any update about your conclusion?

 

[SexyChineseLady]

They've been waiting for a domestic engine to ramp up production. That has come in the WS-10C followed by newer variants (including 3D and 2D vectoring) coming up and ultimately the WS-15.

Reports that J-10 production is moving from Chengdu to Guizhou to make room for at least three pulse lines that could put up 80 to 100 J-20s a year

 

[SexyChineseLady]

The 2D variant of the WS-10 would be pretty certain for the J-20.

China exhibits fighter jet engine with 2D thrust vectoring control nozzle - Global Times

www.globaltimes.cn

Five variants of the Taihang series turbofan engines are on display at the air show, and the Global Times learned from the state-owned Aero Engine Corp of China (AECC) that the Taihang engine has kept receiving improvements and upgrades, and its performance, reliability, safety, stealth capability, power extraction, environmental adaptability, endurance and thrust vectoring -- among other factors -- have all received technical boosts. This is expected to comprehensively enhance the aircraft's survivability and combat capabilities, and it has realized the complete independent support of domestically developed engines.

The five Taihang engines are used on different aircraft, according to AECC.

One of the five Taihang engines on display has a 2D thrust vectoring control nozzle, which attracted attention from visitors.

 

[jai jaganath]

Oh please, it doesn't take to extra energy perform a roll! The classic way to determine TWR adequacy is going vertical

Rolling is all in the control surfaces not thrust:
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These "criticisms" are just more sour grapes from people without a operational stealth fighter or a domestic engine

Going vertical is not a big thing even without AB
Coming to underpowered or destabilized in that video it was rolling in very high AoA in low speed and in low altitude
Even if the speed would be perfect but this happened due to lower altitude
And I don't think it proves destabilization of j-20