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Here are some relevent examples to show China's lack of ability in designing and manufacturing 4th generation aircraft:

China’s Carrier-Based Fighter Jets Keep Crashing And Burning

The J-15—which is an unlicensed Chinese development based on a T-10K-3 prototype of the Russian Su-33 Flanker-D—has proven to be a disappointment in service with the People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN). The navalized Chinese Flanker derivative has suffered a number of high-profile crashes due to technical issues with the aircraft’s engines and flight control system.

The J-15’s problems are apparently serious enough that Beijing is embarking on the development of a new carrier-based aircraft that would take the J-15’s place in China’s nascent carrier air wings.

A “new carrier-based fighter to replace the J-15” is being developed, Lt. Gen. Zhang Honghe, deputy head of the PLA Air Force, told the South China Morning Post.

It is unclear what the J-15’s successor will look like, but whatever aircraft Beijing develops will have to be able to operate from the ski-jump configured flight decks of theType 001 and Type 001A carriers —which are developments of the Soviet Kuznetsov-class —as well as the forthcoming Type 002, which is reportedly going to be outfitted with electromagnetic aircraft launch system (EMALS).

Chinese naval analysts have suggested that Beijing might develop a naval variant of the FC-31 Gyrfalcon, which is a “privately-funded” development of the state-owned Shenyang Aircraft Corporation.

However, there is no official confirmation from Beijing on what a J-15 replacement might look like.

The impetus for doing away with the J-15 stems from a series of four serious accidents suffered by the type.

According to the SCMP, there have been at least four J-15 crashes that have resulted in at least one fatality and one case of serious injury due to what has been described as a series of “unpardonable mechanical failures.”

The technical problems seem to be traceable to the J-15’s indigenously developed engines and flight control system.

“The J-15 is a problematic aircraft – its unstable flight control system was the key factor behind the two fatal accidents two years ago,” a source told the SCMP.

Indeed, during two of the incidents which resulted in J-15 crashes, the SCMP said the “flight control system was breaking down” on approach to the runway during Field Carrier Landing Practices (FCLP). That might suggest the J-15’s flight control laws are vulnerable to pilot induced oscillations or any number of other problems.

Additionally, it is not clear how reliable the J-15’s indigenous Shenyang Liming WS-10H engines are and if they played a factor in these crashes. Older versions of the J-15 were powered by the Russian Salyut AL-31F engines, which are more or less reliable.

The Chinese apparently were well aware of problems with the J-15 but pressed ahead with deploying the jet operationally regardless of the risk, which highlights a culture that is markedly different from the U.S. Navy.

Indeed, while the U.S. Navy will fly an aircraft with restrictions for problems that have emerged once a type has entered service, the Pentagon would not normally declare an aircraft operational if it is known to have serious safety issues.

“Of course it’s impossible to prevent any accident from ever happening during training,” a PLAN veteran told the SCMP.

“But unlike their counterparts in Western countries, Chinese air force pilots are asked to work around these mechanical errors.”

The PLAN also seems to have been in a state of denial about the extent of the J-15’s problems even after at least one naval aviator was killed in a crash (though that is often a problem with military services around the world).

“Aviation experts at first refused to acknowledge that the J-15 has design problems,” a source told the SCMP.

“They only agreed there were problems after Cao [Xianjian, a highly experienced naval aviator] encountered the same trouble.”

That the J-15 has serious design flaws should come as no surprise.

At the end of the day, the Chinese reverse engineered the J-15 design from an incomplete prototype of the Sukhoi Su-33 that it acquired from Ukraine. While Chinese engineers might have gained considerable insight into the Flanker design from the T-10K-3 and other Su-27 derivatives in Beijing’s possession, because they did not develop the jet or its systems, they do not fully understand the airframe due to some of the traditional limitations inherent to reverse engineering. These gaps in knowledge probably led to some of the problems the Chinese are now encountering with the J-15 design.



China cannot even design and build 4th generation platforms or engines that are reliable enough not to crash. And yet we are supposed to believe China's claims on 5th generation fighters. Even the US, the inventor of stealth, has had issues with stealth materials on F-35 during high G testing, which took years to sort out. And somehow miraculously China had no such issues during testing and came up with production aircraft ahead of the Americans, who the Chinese supposedly hacked and stole technology from. Give me a break.

And all this is after they cannot even design and operate 4th generation aircraft without crashing or developing other issues like fatigue cracks, as in the JF-17s of Pakistan Air Force:


JF-17 BLUNDER: 40% of Pakistan's Frontline Fighter Jets Docked For A Variety of Reasons

There are problems with the fuselage, with cracks being detected in the lower fairing skin. This is an area that is most affected by G or gravity-related pressures

Latest reports from the government sources show that about 40 per cent of JF-17 fighters in two Pakistan Air force bases are grounded for a variety of reasons. And there is no quick fix for the problems as they relate to structural issues.

The JF-17's canopy electrical system is malfunctioning. This is also the case in the JF-17B, the dual seater. This is a potential danger as it makes ejection by the pilot in case of it being required either difficult or almost impossible.

There are problems with the fuselage, with cracks being detected in the lower fairing skin. This is an area that is most affected by G or gravity-related pressures.

There have been cracks in the strake areas, which could be in the fuselage or wings. A strake is a strengthening device and again, this could be because of stress during flying.

There are also cases of anchor breakages in the JF-17. This is another sign of structural weakness. The radar and it's attached equipment is heavy and is clearly too heavy for that part of the fighter, sources said.


China cannot design a regular canopy that doesn't develop fatigue cracks over time for the JF-17. Yet we are supposed to believe that it has successfully designed a stealthy canopy, which requires much more effort in terms of materials technology.

China cannot design a regular radome for the JF-17 that doesn't develop fatigue cracks over time. Yet we are supposed to believe that China has successfully designed a stealthy radome, which is far more advanced in terms of materials technology.

China cannot design a carrier aircraft that is reliable even after copying the J-15 from the SU-33
design; Chinese J-15s keep crashing due to airframe and engine reliability problems. Yet we are supposed to believe the criminal Chinese Communist government's claims on stealth. And this is after their lies and denial of person-to-person transmission of the Covid-19 virus for months led to even more Chinese deaths, as well as spreading of the pandemic internationally. If it wasn't for a few brave doctors in Wuhan and Hong Kong (like Dr. Li Wenliang who died from Covid-19; and Dr. Li Meng Yan whose mother was arrested after she escaped China to disclose that the Covid-19 virus is a PLA biological weapon that was intentionally spread to the world by the lying Chinese Communist government) who leaked the truth even after being threatened by the Chinese Communist government, we wouldn't have found out about it; of course by that time it was too late and the pandemic had spread worldwide.

Without the radome and canopy being stealthy, you cannot have a stealth aircraft as they are the biggest reflectors of radar from the front. This is also why China chose to keep the canards in spite of them being detrimental to stealth; as the gaps and joints between the canard and airframe are radar resonance hotspots which will even be picked up by x-band radar, along with all the other bands. When you cannot even hide the radome/radar and canopy from enemy radar, there is no point in deleting the canards in order to improve the RCS.
This is the real reason why China kept the canards, because China doesn't yet have 5th generation technology.

Another example of this is that China imported SU-35 aircraft from Russia very recently in order to copy its avionics, even though the radar and other avionics on the SU-35 are severely downgraded versions of Russian radar and avionics based on 1990's technology. That tells me that the operating systems of the latest Chinese radars are still copied from and based on downgraded Russian radar technology from 2 decades ago. So you cannot have a 5th generation aircraft when the radar operating system technology is 2 decades old:


And finally, all this was confirmed when Indian Air Force fighters such as the SU-30MKI have been able to track these aircraft over the Himalayas from hundreds of kilometers away:


So no, I don't think Chinese aircraft design technology is any good, when its 4th generation aircraft keep on crashing (as in the J-15), or developing airframe fatigue cracks (as in the JF-17, J-10s and PLAAF flanker copies), or developing engine failures which lead to several crashes including the one which killed the first PLAAF female J-10 pilot).

The only real value then, of these latest Chinese aircraft, is for Chinese propaganda and psy ops purposes, in order to impress CCP drones and ignorant foreigners. But anyone who knows anything about Chinese aircraft laughs at Chinese Communist government's attempts at deception.

Only brainwashed CCP drones believe that the latest PLAAF barbie doll fighters are any good. These latest PLAAF fights are only flown for their propaganda photo shoots in order to impress the brainwashed Chinese people. Otherwise they are kept in storage, because their airframes and engines are simply not reliable enough. Plus a crash of one of these barbie doll fighters would be devastating for Chinese propaganda.

It's easy to fly such aircraft for psy ops and propaganda photo shoots. It's much harder to deploy them in war under harsh weather conditions when their engines and airframes are simply not reliable. Plus it would destroy PLAAF morale if their latest Chinese aircraft crashed due to engine failure or were shot down due to them being tracked and hunted by enemy aircraft, as well as due to the outdated avionics on
them. Another example of how outdated Chinese radar technology is, is the import of the S-400 from Russia by China: As even the S-400 radar technology is 2 decades old even by Russian standards (the west is 2 decades more advanced than Russia in radar technology); and yet the S-400 is a step up for the PLA. And the CCP drones here think that PLAAF aircraft can compete with western avionics and weapons technology. :tsk:
 
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How about the Chinesee equipments in your power grid and telecom network? there are 30%-50% share in your both networks ... You are blaming your poor national wide power failure to Chinese equipments?

But how do you blame the market share of your mobile phone? ^_^ U mean only elegant and rich people would afford Lava or Micromax?


And how do you explain this? You have higher IQ than those mumbay engineering guys?

China makes its biggest tunnel boring machine for India

We are not as dependent on China as Europeans our most of the power road and rail projects are indigenous. In this world if there is any nation that can compete China is india and the entire world knows that, just don't bring one of the few fucking examples here and discuss.
 

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And how do you explain this? You have higher IQ than those mumbay engineering guys?

China makes its biggest tunnel boring machine for India

The wheel is invented once and than inventor pass on the know how to it's followers to follow. decide who is follower here.

As for IQ goes, chinese IQ is based on IPR theft and whole world knows it... So u can spread your propoganda some where else..it's not gonna work here..
 

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How about the Chinesee equipments in your power grid and telecom network? there are 30%-50% share in your both networks ... You are blaming your poor national wide power failure to Chinese equipments?

But how do you blame the market share of your mobile phone? ^_^ U mean only elegant and rich people would afford Lava or Micromax?


And how do you explain this? You have higher IQ than those mumbay engineering guys?

China makes its biggest tunnel boring machine for India

And from where China got the technology everyone knows how IPR works in China and what are the criteria for foreign companies to work in China. So stop boasting about stolen tech.
 

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Like countries not buying your drones and throwing them away.
But the whole point of inexpensive drones is to provide CAS or intelligence in low-risk low-intensity areas where it's fine to lose a drone but not a pilot. That's like saying plastic forks aren't successful because metal forks last longer.
 

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But the whole point of inexpensive drones is to provide CAS or intelligence in low-risk low-intensity areas where it's fine to lose a drone but not a pilot. That's like saying plastic forks aren't successful because metal forks last longer.
So, your CH4Bs and wingloooooooooooooooooooong drones are use and discard drones? Like these?
Do your customers know that once used, your drones have to be discarded? I mean a leaking drone after a single use is not something they would want?

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How about the Chinesee equipments in your power grid and telecom network? there are 30%-50% share in your both networks ... You are blaming your poor national wide power failure to Chinese equipments?

But how do you blame the market share of your mobile phone? ^_^ U mean only elegant and rich people would afford Lava or Micromax?


And how do you explain this? You have higher IQ than those mumbay engineering guys?

China makes its biggest tunnel boring machine for India

How about the Chinesee equipments in your power grid and telecom network? there are 30%-50% share in your both networks ... You are blaming your poor national wide power failure to Chinese equipments?

But how do you blame the market share of your mobile phone? ^_^ U mean only elegant and rich people would afford Lava or Micromax?


And how do you explain this? You have higher IQ than those mumbay engineering guys?

China makes its biggest tunnel boring machine for India

Here's a product built by an Indian company L&T fully in India :

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When we can make this we can make TBMs. So, what does this tell you? That the only reason we get big equipment from China is because it is cheap. You must understand that people go to buy cheap stuff from China. Reliable products always come at a premium - like India wont use Chinese high speed trains but only Shinkansen trainsets, as our economics affords them and we would pay premium for that reliability.
There is a reason CCP fakistan was not able to produce a RELIABLE wuhan virus vaccine. And even the ones shoved down Peru backfired:

Here is an article on the 'tofu' buildings in China:

The CCP built a $2.1 billion leaking tower in Shanghai - the world's second tallest 'Tofu' tower

The overwhelming evidence is that everything that China makes is unreliable, just like your IQ.
 

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So, your CH4Bs and wingloooooooooooooooooooong drones are use and discard drones? Like these?
Do your customers know that once used, your drones have to be discarded? I mean a leaking drone after a single use is not something they would want?

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Not one-use disposable, but clearly the requirement for reliability is lower than a fighter with people on board, which is why it can be made for much cheaper
 

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Not one-use disposable, but clearly the requirement for reliability is lower than a fighter with people on board, which is why it can be made for much cheaper
The price of MQ9A Reaper or MQ9B SkyGuardian = $100 million - greater than several aircrafts in existence. Superior reliability and quality fetches higher cost.


CH4B and wingloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong are, well, cheap and unreliable, like CCPs dealings with the rest of the world.
 

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That the only reason we get big equipment from China is because it is cheap. You must understand that people go to buy cheap stuff from China. Reliable products always come at a premium[/URL]
"Reliable products always come at a premium" ??

The OnePlus 8 is also India’s most popular high-end handset.

OnePlus reclaims the throne in India’s premium smartphone market


Mobile data: Why India has the world's cheapest


like India wont use Chinese high speed trains but only Shinkansen trainsets, as our economics affords them and we would pay premium for that reliability.
Will you really build it?? Luckily CRH didn't get into this endless mess.

India’s bullet train faces 5-year delay: High costs, Japan firms not so keen
 

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Really? most of your import industry products are from China:








Forget China, can India match Vietnam?



Before compete China, please save your hunger index, and make enough toilets first.

India Improves Its Position In Global Hunger Index But Still Has 14% Population Undernourished

The amount which you are showing in your fucking data in just peanuts in our industry this is not pakistan which you are feeding,
Small countries see high and low growth in small span of time but a large economy as ours we are consistent and in future we will bounce back
And you and all those fucking Chinese are slave of a party don't know any reality of your nation
China hides each and every data and I am damn sure China has many social issues behind india
You copy everyone and make things you copy to such an extent that you even don't know the use of it but still coping
And again those few articles can't show the truth and millions of articles are there which truth and I don't have time to tag those articles for dickheads like you but you an answer
Your breed is physically and mentally weak
 

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"Reliable products always come at a premium" ??

The OnePlus 8 is also India’s most popular high-end handset.

OnePlus reclaims the throne in India’s premium smartphone market


Mobile data: Why India has the world's cheapest




Will you really build it?? Luckily CRH didn't get into this endless mess.

India’s bullet train faces 5-year delay: High costs, Japan firms not so keen
Link 1: Android authority is a biased page for Android phones (Samsung with its own OS on Qualcomm Snapdragon AI chips and Apple with its own AI-enabled chips are the premium phones - by a mile). Plus, the reliability part in that phone are the chips and the OS - both of which are not Chinese. So, you put forward a link that supports what we have been saying that Chinese do not make the reliable parts of anything. A majority of Qualcomm's snapdragon R&D happens in Hyderabad, India. Indian work processes, methods, R&D inuts have made the Qualcomm Snapdragon extremely reliable and the go to handset chip. China has nothing to match it. Plus the insane amount of engineers in Hyderabad with state-of-the-art skillset in AI enabled mobile chips cannot be matched by Huawei's cheating operations in tofu Shenzhen.
https://www.businesstoday.in/techno...an-diego-says-rajen-vagadia/story/394361.html

These are some of the state-of-the art, cutting edge Qualcomm sponsored mobile research happening in Indian universities:
What is Huawei doing? got creamed by the US sanctions? LOL.


Link 2: We have already mentioned it is absurd to put forward irrelevant links. It is a symbol of your extremely low IQ - proven beyond any doubt now. Any further posting of absurd links and I will be requesting admin to ban your ass. I have zero tolerance for deceit and lying - which the CCP bots are adept at.

Link 3: Once again any more prejudicial articles and snide remarks that have nothing to do with the topic at hand, we will request admins to ban your ass. This is a reasonably high IQ forum. CRH by the way was born from corruption including a railway minister sent to death row, after two HSRs collided killing 40 people. Shinkansen has had zero accidents in its 60 years of superb service.

Your idiotic preaching and terrible assumptions such as Indians are simple folks and do not know what exactly is happening in India and China plus your vile expectations that we will not see through the extremely false claims of CCP bots requires an instant ban. It violates the rules of the world - low IQ monkey bots, virus spreaders, girl child killers, organ thieves, genocidal maniacs are an affront to humanity everywhere and should not be allowed here.

Stick to presenting well researched articles and thoughts to support your claims, and you may have a future here. Drop your insane assumption that Indians will not see through your stupid claims. If you cannot, butt out of here, and go to: https://**********/pdf/ - an exclusive forum for the retarded, illiterate, and terrorist scums with delusions of grandeur arising from excess consumption of cocaine.

Pictures of some of the members you can have your retarded conversations with are below:

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Link 1: Android authority is a biased page for Android phones (Samsung with its own OS on Qualcomm Snapdragon AI chips and Apple with its own AI-enabled chips are the premium phones - by a mile). Plus, the reliability part in that phone are the chips and the OS - both of which are not Chinese.
Interesting, when i showed you Oneplus was having high sales on high-end in India, you changed to parts ...

Now let me show you the Iphone suppliers by nations:


Q1: How do you explain this graph, are those Chinese suppliers are designed on Windows OS so it's still counted by US?

Q2: Where is Indian suppliers? Hoo, maybe they all have R&D centers in India, so still India wins!!




CRH by the way was born from corruption including a railway minister sent to death row, after two HSRs collided killing 40 people. Shinkansen has had zero accidents in its 60 years of superb service.

So why delayed? If there is 0 KM still, dose it Best in World make any sense?

It's still 0KM vs 30000KM ... I think you are so proud of the 0KM powered by any nation except China.



Anyway, i didn't go personal attack to you during dabates, i hope you do the same thing.
 

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Interesting, when i showed you Oneplus was having high sales on high-end in India, you changed to parts ...

Now let me show you the Iphone suppliers by nations:


Q1: How do you explain this graph, are those Chinese suppliers are designed on Windows OS so it's still counted by US?

Q2: Where is Indian suppliers? Hoo, maybe they all have R&D centers in India, so still India wins!!







So why delayed? If there is 0 KM still, dose it Best in World make any sense?

It's still 0KM vs 30000KM ... I think you are so proud of the 0KM powered by any nation except China.



Anyway, i didn't go personal attack to you during dabates, i hope you do the same thing.
So you dont understand the difference between parts supply and R&D?
Apple suppliers in China are owned by Taiwanese companies like Foxconn or Wistron, enemies of CCP land? The only thing Chinese do is to assemble them.

@mods - can we ban this bot for continuing to bring in irrelevant propaganda and whataboutism? I think this forum should not allow such foolish simpletons who have no idea of what's happening in the world, and just simply want to troll and waste time, to be here. Nothing this troll has contributed so far has added any value, despite my efforts at trying to make him understand in a civil, handholding like a baby way. Cleary, this troll's intentions are hostile. Please ban him or her. Thank you.
 

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So you dont understand the difference between parts supply and R&D?
Apple suppliers in China are owned by Taiwanese companies like Foxconn or Wistron, enemies of CCP land? The only thing Chinese do is to assemble them.

@mods - can we ban this bot for continuing to bring in irrelevant propaganda and whataboutism? I think this forum should not allow such foolish simpletons who have no idea of what's happening in the world, and just simply want to troll and waste time, to be here. Nothing this troll has contributed so far has added any value, despite my efforts at trying to make him understand in a civil, handholding like a baby way. Cleary, this troll's intentions are hostile. Please ban him or her. Thank you.
To all fellow Indians: I suggest using the report feature on the bottom left of each of rockdog's posts to report it as off-topic trolling; CCP propaganda.
 
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India To Surge Ahead As A Global Weapons Exporter Due To Unreliable Chinese Military Hardware

India is gearing up to become a self-reliant country with maximum goods and manufacturing being done indigenously, as part of AtmaNirbhar her at. India is also working towards creating a big, in-house niche defense industry that while catering to the nation’s need will also export to other countries and earn a good amount of foreign exchange and leverage to help grow the national GDP.

The world has long realized that the quality of Chinese goods and machinery are never up to the mark. There are huge deficiency in the quality, durability, and overall performance of machines and goods manufactured in that country.
China has become the global manufacturing hub, mostly on account of its low-cost labor rather than any real qualitative or technological edge. However, new revelations regarding the trouble being faced by countries who have imported Chinese military equipment should really come as an eye-opener.
Recent reports have poured in from various parts of the world about countries being unhappy with the faulty Chinese military equipment, dumped by China under the garb of varied commercial defense deals with them.
Kenya that bought Chinese VN-4 Armoured Personnel Carriers (APC) reportedly had a number of mechanical defects, leading to the unfortunate death of some Kenyan army men while trying out a test firing.
Algeria witnessed a number of accidents involving Chinese CH-4 UCAV drones in the last six years. Jordan had even a much bitter experience as it was compelled to put on the Chinese CH-4 UCAV drones on sale after they failed all the required parameters of its military.
In Asia, Nepal bought six China-made Y12e and MA60 aircraft for its civil aviation sector. Interestingly, all such planes showed mechanical and operational defects and it was forced to put them in hanger lying unused for many months now.
Bangladesh, a country that is now getting extra attention from Xi Jinping in the aftermath of tensions with India, bought two 1970s Ming Class Type 035G submarines at a cost of US$ 100 million each, from China in 2017.
Rechristened as BNS Joyjatra and BNS Nobojatra, both developed defects and are lying unused. In 2020, it secured two Chinese 053H3 frigates, turned into BNS Umar Farooq and BNS Abu Ubaidah. Very soon, both faced issues like non-functioning navigation radar and gun systems.
Myanmar which has close politico-military relations with China too has expressed its displeasure on Chinese military equipment it has received. Its acceptance of the Indian naval submarine Sindhuvir, against Chinese wishes, should be seen in this larger context.
And not to forget the closest lackey of China, Pakistan. It too has not escaped the Chinese machinations in terms of its commercial perfidy. The Pakistan Navy got refurbished Chinese frigates F22P but reportedly they have remained plagued with technical hitches.
Its army secured LY-80 LOMADS mobile missile systems from China but some of them have remained non-functional due to technical issues. Even in the civilian domain, the much-touted Lahore Metro Bus service that started in August this year, by a Chinese company, got technical glitches and issues like overheating of engines led to the suspension of its services for a few weeks.

When that happens, it will be replicating the example of the Indian space sector led by ISRO that has not only become a big global space power but also is earning a lot of money by commercially launching satellites of many other countries.
Probably, a right thrust had been initiated when ISRO involved a number of big and small native companies in its space applications and development program. A separate commercial wing of ISRO Antrix has evolved to promote and market its products/services to global customers.
Following that example, recently the Indian government too has opened up the defense sector for private enterprises (wherein for many decades allowing private sector was a big taboo) for making different military equipment, machinery, vehicles by creating a new and innovation-driven defense policy.
Some of the very reputed Indian conglomerates who already are contributing to the hugely lucrative national defense manufacturing worth US $620 billion, are TATA, Mahindra & Mahindra, L&T, Hero Group, Bharat Forge besides, PSUs like HAL, BEL, BHEL, and a few start-ups.
There is no doubt that Indian companies, both the private sector as well as PSUs have much higher qualitative standards as against the Chinese companies. It is evident in the huge spurt in Indian armament exports recorded in recent years, a spectacular 700% growth from Rs 1,521 crore in 2016-17 to Rs 10,745 crore in 2018-19.
Though currently, major importers of Indian military hardware are Myanmar, Sri Lanka, and Mauritius, and a deft in diplomatic maneuvering and marketing could make the country securing important military contracts to nations like Vietnam, Mongolia, Philippines, Brazil, countries in Central Asia, and of course, many in Africa too.
A big focussed approach, backed by adequate government support, marketing, and diplomatic push could very well see Indian defense manufacturing making a big headway in the globally money-spinning security market and acquiring lucrative contracts.
That in turn, might also lead to greater political and diplomatic leverage for India in the global arena, helping it to secure its rightful place in the comity of nations.
 

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China’s Carrier-Based Fighter Jets Keep Crashing And Burning

The J-15—which is an unlicensed Chinese development based on a T-10K-3 prototype of the Russian Su-33 Flanker-D—has proven to be a disappointment in service with the People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN). The navalized Chinese Flanker derivative has suffered a number of high-profile crashes due to technical issues with the aircraft’s engines and flight control system.

The J-15’s problems are apparently serious enough that Beijing is embarking on the development of a new carrier-based aircraft that would take the J-15’s place in China’s nascent carrier air wings.

A “new carrier-based fighter to replace the J-15” is being developed, Lt. Gen. Zhang Honghe, deputy head of the PLA Air Force, told the South China Morning Post.

It is unclear what the J-15’s successor will look like, but whatever aircraft Beijing develops will have to be able to operate from the ski-jump configured flight decks of theType 001 and Type 001A carriers —which are developments of the Soviet Kuznetsov-class —as well as the forthcoming Type 002, which is reportedly going to be outfitted with electromagnetic aircraft launch system (EMALS).

Chinese naval analysts have suggested that Beijing might develop a naval variant of the FC-31 Gyrfalcon, which is a “privately-funded” development of the state-owned Shenyang Aircraft Corporation.

However, there is no official confirmation from Beijing on what a J-15 replacement might look like.

The impetus for doing away with the J-15 stems from a series of four serious accidents suffered by the type.

According to the SCMP, there have been at least four J-15 crashes that have resulted in at least one fatality and one case of serious injury due to what has been described as a series of “unpardonable mechanical failures.”

The technical problems seem to be traceable to the J-15’s indigenously developed engines and flight control system.

“The J-15 is a problematic aircraft – its unstable flight control system was the key factor behind the two fatal accidents two years ago,” a source told the SCMP.

Indeed, during two of the incidents which resulted in J-15 crashes, the SCMP said the “flight control system was breaking down” on approach to the runway during Field Carrier Landing Practices (FCLP). That might suggest the J-15’s flight control laws are vulnerable to pilot induced oscillations or any number of other problems.

Additionally, it is not clear how reliable the J-15’s indigenous Shenyang Liming WS-10H engines are and if they played a factor in these crashes. Older versions of the J-15 were powered by the Russian Salyut AL-31F engines, which are more or less reliable.

The Chinese apparently were well aware of problems with the J-15 but pressed ahead with deploying the jet operationally regardless of the risk, which highlights a culture that is markedly different from the U.S. Navy.

Indeed, while the U.S. Navy will fly an aircraft with restrictions for problems that have emerged once a type has entered service, the Pentagon would not normally declare an aircraft operational if it is known to have serious safety issues.

“Of course it’s impossible to prevent any accident from ever happening during training,” a PLAN veteran told the SCMP.

“But unlike their counterparts in Western countries, Chinese air force pilots are asked to work around these mechanical errors.”

The PLAN also seems to have been in a state of denial about the extent of the J-15’s problems even after at least one naval aviator was killed in a crash (though that is often a problem with military services around the world).

“Aviation experts at first refused to acknowledge that the J-15 has design problems,” a source told the SCMP.

“They only agreed there were problems after Cao [Xianjian, a highly experienced naval aviator] encountered the same trouble.”

That the J-15 has serious design flaws should come as no surprise.

At the end of the day, the Chinese reverse engineered the J-15 design from an incomplete prototype of the Sukhoi Su-33 that it acquired from Ukraine. While Chinese engineers might have gained considerable insight into the Flanker design from the T-10K-3 and other Su-27 derivatives in Beijing’s possession, because they did not develop the jet or its systems, they do not fully understand the airframe due to some of the traditional limitations inherent to reverse engineering. These gaps in knowledge probably led to some of the problems the Chinese are now encountering with the J-15 design.
 

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