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[Armand2REP]

On one hand china manufacturers loads of cars, its quality is not acceptable to west and US.

Chinese do not even find quality of Chinese cars acceptable.

 

[SexyChineseLady]

The basic difference between India and china is that china can copy anything and bring it very fast. India focuses on R & D and builds it strength brick by brick. There are many example.
e.g china is a leading manufacturer of cars but it is way behind India is car export. On one hand china manufacturers loads of cars, its quality is not acceptable to west and US. On other hand India exports its car not only to US and Europe, India exports to Japan as well. India moved from assembly destination to manufacturer of the part and subsequently R & D hub and designer country. Today if you want to design a good car cost effectively, there can not be any destination better than India. Look at TATAs. Bloody they can provide nice cars f international standard way cheaper than any one else can offer globally.
we started with humble production with 100 cc bikes and emerge as 2 wheeler hub (Bellow 500 cc bike ) in these years. On other hand chinese china remained a country which can sold their automobiles in their own country only. As items becomes high tech, acceptance of chinese goods drastically. China is good for low cost low tech goods only.

Don’t kid yourself about cars. India exports very few cars. It is not even listed in the world’s top car exporters by value:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_car_exports
China is at number 20 where the heck is India?

Right now China CONSUMES more cars than it makes. The Chinese car market is far, far, far, far, far bigger than the Indian market and its companies have the same advantages in money and resources. The cars designed and sold in China are far beyond anything sold in India. They have to be since greatest companies in the world — BMW, Ford, VW and Mercedes — have China as their largest or second largest market. The competition there creates cutting edge companies like BYD and Geely.

Look, China is the largest exporter in the world and its trading relation with India is mainly China sending manufactured goods, especially electronics and heavy machinery, for Indian raw resources like copper or iron ore.

China buys manufactured goods in massive amounts from Japan, Korea, etc. But India has nothing to trade except natural resources and that is proven by the trade figures.

All your talk about India building technology “brick by brick” seem to me just lies to make yourself feel better. Talk is cheap (and full of falsehood.)

BUT trade numbers don’t lie because someone has to pay for it.

And the trade numbers tell us that India is like Africa who must barter natural resources for manufactured products from China. India makes nothing that is more advanced than China otherwise the trade figures from India to China wouldn’t include iron ore at 50% of ALL exports from India to China. That is hilariously primative.

 

[AnantS]

Don’t kid yourself about cars. India exports very few cars. It is not even listed in the world’s top car exporters by value:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_car_exports
China is at number 20 where the heck is India
ding dink mi oink oink oink .........

Countries that exported the highest dollar value worth of cars:

1. Germany US$151.9 billion 21.8%
2. Japan $91.9 billion 13.2%
3. United States $53.8 billion 7.7%
4. Canada $48.8 billion 7.0%
5. United Kingdom $41.3 billion 5.9%
6. South Korea $37.5 billion 5.4%
7. Spain $35.6 billion 5.1%
8. Mexico $31.4 billion 4.5%
9. Belgium $30.3 billion 4.3%
10. Czech Republic $18.8 billion 2.7%
11. France $18.4 billion 2.6%
12. Slovakia $15.5 billion 2.2%
13. Italy $15.2 billion 2.2%
14. Thailand $11.6 billion 1.7%
15. Hungary $11.1 billion 1.6%
16. Turkey $8.4 billion 1.2%
17. Poland $7.6 billion 1.1%
18. Sweden $7.5 billion 1.1%
19. Netherlands $7.4 billion 1.1%
20. India $6.4 billion 0.9%
21. South Africa $5.3 billion 0.8%
22. China $5 billion 0.7%

The following countries posted the highest positive net exports involving international car sales.

1. Germany: US$100.6 billion (net export surplus down -3.8% since 2012)
2. Japan: $81.6 billion (down -5.8%)
3. South Korea: $28.2 billion (down -25.7%)
4. Canada: $22.4 billion (up 6.7%)
5. Mexico: $21.5 billion (down -0.2%)
6. Spain: $17.3 billion (up 14.9%)
7. Czech Republic: $15 billion (up 17.8%)
8. Slovakia: $13.1 billion (up 11%)
9. Thailand: $10.7 billion (up 151.4%)
10. Hungary: $8.4 billion (up 164.3%)
11. India: $6.2 billion (up 68.2%)
12. South Africa: $1.9 billion (down -269.4%)
13. Brazil: $1.8 billion (down -131.2%)
14. Indonesia: $1.4 billion (down -396.6%)
15. Romania: $1.3 billion (down -36.1%)

The following countries posted the highest negative net exports for cars.

1. United States: -US$119.5 billion (net export deficit up 26.2% since 2012)
2. China: -$39 billion (down -4.1%)
3. Australia: -$14.6 billion (down -7.6%)
4. France: -$13.5 billion (up 40.6%)
5. Italy: -$12.3 billion (up 11.3%)
6. Saudi Arabia: -$12.1 billion (down -21.3%)
7. Switzerland: -$9.8 billion (down -8%)
8. United Arab Emirates: -$9.5 billion (up 36.5%)
9. Norway: -$5.1 billion (down -2.7%)
10. Israel: -$4.9 billion (up 72.5%)
11. Russia: -$4.9 billion (down -74.4%)
12. Austria: -$4.9 billion (up 2.1%)
13. United Kingdom: -$4.8 billion (up 828.8%)
14. Philippines: -$3.9 billion (up 141.1%)
15. Taiwan: -$3.6 billion (up 127.8%)

http://www.worldstopexports.com/car-exports-country/

 

[Aghore_King]

Countries that exported the highest dollar value worth of cars:

1. Germany US$151.9 billion 21.8%
2. Japan $91.9 billion 13.2%
3. United States $53.8 billion 7.7%
4. Canada $48.8 billion 7.0%
5. United Kingdom $41.3 billion 5.9%
6. South Korea $37.5 billion 5.4%
7. Spain $35.6 billion 5.1%
8. Mexico $31.4 billion 4.5%
9. Belgium $30.3 billion 4.3%
10. Czech Republic $18.8 billion 2.7%
11. France $18.4 billion 2.6%
12. Slovakia $15.5 billion 2.2%
13. Italy $15.2 billion 2.2%
14. Thailand $11.6 billion 1.7%
15. Hungary $11.1 billion 1.6%
16. Turkey $8.4 billion 1.2%
17. Poland $7.6 billion 1.1%
18. Sweden $7.5 billion 1.1%
19. Netherlands $7.4 billion 1.1%
20. India $6.4 billion 0.9%
21. South Africa $5.3 billion 0.8%
22. China $5 billion 0.7%

The following countries posted the highest positive net exports involving international car sales.

1. Germany: US$100.6 billion (net export surplus down -3.8% since 2012)
2. Japan: $81.6 billion (down -5.8%)
3. South Korea: $28.2 billion (down -25.7%)
4. Canada: $22.4 billion (up 6.7%)
5. Mexico: $21.5 billion (down -0.2%)
6. Spain: $17.3 billion (up 14.9%)
7. Czech Republic: $15 billion (up 17.8%)
8. Slovakia: $13.1 billion (up 11%)
9. Thailand: $10.7 billion (up 151.4%)
10. Hungary: $8.4 billion (up 164.3%)
11. India: $6.2 billion (up 68.2%)
12. South Africa: $1.9 billion (down -269.4%)
13. Brazil: $1.8 billion (down -131.2%)
14. Indonesia: $1.4 billion (down -396.6%)
15. Romania: $1.3 billion (down -36.1%)

The following countries posted the highest negative net exports for cars.

1. United States: -US$119.5 billion (net export deficit up 26.2% since 2012)
2. China: -$39 billion (down -4.1%)
3. Australia: -$14.6 billion (down -7.6%)
4. France: -$13.5 billion (up 40.6%)
5. Italy: -$12.3 billion (up 11.3%)
6. Saudi Arabia: -$12.1 billion (down -21.3%)
7. Switzerland: -$9.8 billion (down -8%)
8. United Arab Emirates: -$9.5 billion (up 36.5%)
9. Norway: -$5.1 billion (down -2.7%)
10. Israel: -$4.9 billion (up 72.5%)
11. Russia: -$4.9 billion (down -74.4%)
12. Austria: -$4.9 billion (up 2.1%)
13. United Kingdom: -$4.8 billion (up 828.8%)
14. Philippines: -$3.9 billion (up 141.1%)
15. Taiwan: -$3.6 billion (up 127.8%)

http://www.worldstopexports.com/car-exports-country/

This stupid Chinese lady/guy/thing likes to slapped in face again and again..lolzz
I wonder if these Chinese have any shame..

 

[Aghore_King]

Look at the chinese copycat cars:
https://www.google.co.in/amp/www.in...ration-behind-these-designs-a7015966.html?amp

https://www.cartoq.com/50-copy-cat-cars-from-china/
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/87772/chinese-copycat-cars

 

[nimo_cn]

Chinese do not even find quality of Chinese cars acceptable.

then how did these Chinese car manufacturers manage to sell millions of units in 2017?

 

[SexyChineseLady]

1. United States: -US$119.5 billion (net export deficit up 26.2% since 2012)
2. China: -$39 billion (down -4.1%)

That means that the US and China import more cars than they export. They are largest importers of cars.

So if India is such a great car technology exporter and China imports so many cars then why aren’t they showing up in the India-China trade figures?

The truth is India produces nothing that is technologically advanced enough for China and that is proven by a 28M car Chinese market that buys plenty of foreign cars but not Indian ones.

But continue with the sour grapes and lying to yourself about your “exporting” prowess. You are far below even Thailand and China exports only 2% less while serving a market that is 400% bigger.

 

[nimo_cn]

But India didn't get the UNSC seat, China did. Maybe Chinese women provided better quality services?

Apparently, China had to run re-education programs to rid Chinese women of their addiction to Japanese dick.

That is right, you people sucked British dick for two centuries, you didn't even get a unsc seat. Dont complain, at least your masters granted you independence, taught you English language, made you the largest democracy.

 

[Aghore_King]

That is right, you people sucked British dick for two centuries, you didn't even get a unsc seat. Dont complain, at least your masters granted you independence, taught you English language, made you the largest democracy.

Still better than chinese who sucked up to british ,japanese , russian and even french dicks during the century of humiliation...:bounce:

 

[SexyChineseLady]

Silly and stupid insults from Indians really. I wonder why this forum bothers with a China section?

Is the whole idea just to draw in Chinese posters so you Indians can make yourselves feel better by insulting them?

Pretty childish and won’t change the fact that China is way ahead technologically from airplanes to cars to warships. The trade figures show that India functions like an African nation that buys manufactured goods from China and sells raw resources. So not only are Indians dark, they trade like the Dark (Sub)Continent.

 

[Aghore_King]

Silly and stupid insults from Indians really. I wonder why this forum bothers with a China section?

Is the whole idea just to draw in Chinese posters so you Indians can make yourself feel better by insulting them?

Pretty childish and won’t change the fact that China is way ahead technologically from airplanes to cars to warships.

We don't insult Chinese , it was you who started this with your racial superiority bullshit, and bdw have you ever looked at the behavior of your chinese brethren on PeeDF we are still far below from their level...

 

[rockdog]

Countries that exported the highest dollar value worth of cars:

1. Germany US$151.9 billion 21.8%
2. Japan $91.9 billion 13.2%
3. United States $53.8 billion 7.7%
4. Canada $48.8 billion 7.0%
5. United Kingdom $41.3 billion 5.9%
6. South Korea $37.5 billion 5.4%
7. Spain $35.6 billion 5.1%
8. Mexico $31.4 billion 4.5%
9. Belgium $30.3 billion 4.3%
10. Czech Republic $18.8 billion 2.7%
11. France $18.4 billion 2.6%
12. Slovakia $15.5 billion 2.2%
13. Italy $15.2 billion 2.2%
14. Thailand $11.6 billion 1.7%
15. Hungary $11.1 billion 1.6%
16. Turkey $8.4 billion 1.2%
17. Poland $7.6 billion 1.1%
18. Sweden $7.5 billion 1.1%
19. Netherlands $7.4 billion 1.1%
20. India $6.4 billion 0.9%
21. South Africa $5.3 billion 0.8%
22. China $5 billion 0.7%

The following countries posted the highest positive net exports involving international car sales.

1. Germany: US$100.6 billion (net export surplus down -3.8% since 2012)
2. Japan: $81.6 billion (down -5.8%)
3. South Korea: $28.2 billion (down -25.7%)
4. Canada: $22.4 billion (up 6.7%)
5. Mexico: $21.5 billion (down -0.2%)
6. Spain: $17.3 billion (up 14.9%)
7. Czech Republic: $15 billion (up 17.8%)
8. Slovakia: $13.1 billion (up 11%)
9. Thailand: $10.7 billion (up 151.4%)
10. Hungary: $8.4 billion (up 164.3%)
11. India: $6.2 billion (up 68.2%)
12. South Africa: $1.9 billion (down -269.4%)
13. Brazil: $1.8 billion (down -131.2%)
14. Indonesia: $1.4 billion (down -396.6%)
15. Romania: $1.3 billion (down -36.1%)

The following countries posted the highest negative net exports for cars.

1. United States: -US$119.5 billion (net export deficit up 26.2% since 2012)
2. China: -$39 billion (down -4.1%)
3. Australia: -$14.6 billion (down -7.6%)
4. France: -$13.5 billion (up 40.6%)
5. Italy: -$12.3 billion (up 11.3%)
6. Saudi Arabia: -$12.1 billion (down -21.3%)
7. Switzerland: -$9.8 billion (down -8%)
8. United Arab Emirates: -$9.5 billion (up 36.5%)
9. Norway: -$5.1 billion (down -2.7%)
10. Israel: -$4.9 billion (up 72.5%)
11. Russia: -$4.9 billion (down -74.4%)
12. Austria: -$4.9 billion (up 2.1%)
13. United Kingdom: -$4.8 billion (up 828.8%)
14. Philippines: -$3.9 billion (up 141.1%)
15. Taiwan: -$3.6 billion (up 127.8%)

http://www.worldstopexports.com/car-exports-country/

If you look at other data as whole picture:

Automotive Parts Exports by Country by 2016

http://www.worldstopexports.com/automotive-parts-exports-country/

1. Germany: US$56.4 billion (15.6% of total auto parts exports)
2. United States: $42.8 billion (11.9%)
3. Japan: $31.7 billion (8.8%)
4. China: $28.4 billion (7.9%)
5. Mexico: $26.2 billion (7.3%)
6. South Korea: $21.8 billion (6.1%)
7. India $4 billion 1.1%

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Truck Exports by Country by 2016
http://www.worldstopexports.com/exported-trucks-country/

12. China: $2.8 billion (2.4%)
22. India $770.3 million 0.7%

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Value of bus and truck tire exports in 2014
https://www.statista.com/statistics/671224/global-exports-of-bus-and-truck-tires-value-by-country/

1. China $USD 5717k
12. India $USD 577k


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Car Sales by 2017:

China: 24 millions cars

http://auto.gasgoo.com/News/2018/01/1107002602670031940C206.shtml


India: 4 millison cars
http://www.lieqinews.com/a/180128095155513.html

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China's sales of top 3 luxury cars:
http://auto.eastday.com/a/180126195044883.html
Benz: 610,965 with average of USD80,000/pcs
Audi (no VW brand included): 595,700 with average of USD55,000/pcs
BMW: 594,388 with average of USD70,000/pcs


And Benz in India at 2017:
http://auto.163.com/18/0110/01/D7OIBT77000884MM.html#from=relevant
Benz: 15330


And India's car market is totally controlled by foreign brands with low end model:

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BYD Becomes First Chinese Auto Company to Penetrate Japanese Market 02/26/2015
http://www.byd.com/news/news-275.html

BYD Motors Wins America's Largest Electric Bus Order
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rel...cas-largest-electric-bus-order-300138125.html


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Even counting the luxury cars, mainland Chinese bought 2.4 millions by 2017, almost 60% of your whole car markert... And look at the average prices of your top selling cars...

Are China & India in the same league, and shall we waste more time on such comparison?

 

[Haldiram]

Still better than chinese who sucked up to british ,japanese , russian and even french dicks during the century of humiliation...:bounce:

...and still didn't learn English or get Democracy

 

[nimo_cn]

Countries that exported the highest dollar value worth of cars:

1. Germany US$151.9 billion 21.8%
2. Japan $91.9 billion 13.2%
3. United States $53.8 billion 7.7%
4. Canada $48.8 billion 7.0%
5. United Kingdom $41.3 billion 5.9%
6. South Korea $37.5 billion 5.4%
7. Spain $35.6 billion 5.1%
8. Mexico $31.4 billion 4.5%
9. Belgium $30.3 billion 4.3%
10. Czech Republic $18.8 billion 2.7%
11. France $18.4 billion 2.6%
12. Slovakia $15.5 billion 2.2%
13. Italy $15.2 billion 2.2%
14. Thailand $11.6 billion 1.7%
15. Hungary $11.1 billion 1.6%
16. Turkey $8.4 billion 1.2%
17. Poland $7.6 billion 1.1%
18. Sweden $7.5 billion 1.1%
19. Netherlands $7.4 billion 1.1%
20. India $6.4 billion 0.9%
21. South Africa $5.3 billion 0.8%
22. China $5 billion 0.7%

The following countries posted the highest positive net exports involving international car sales.

1. Germany: US$100.6 billion (net export surplus down -3.8% since 2012)
2. Japan: $81.6 billion (down -5.8%)
3. South Korea: $28.2 billion (down -25.7%)
4. Canada: $22.4 billion (up 6.7%)
5. Mexico: $21.5 billion (down -0.2%)
6. Spain: $17.3 billion (up 14.9%)
7. Czech Republic: $15 billion (up 17.8%)
8. Slovakia: $13.1 billion (up 11%)
9. Thailand: $10.7 billion (up 151.4%)
10. Hungary: $8.4 billion (up 164.3%)
11. India: $6.2 billion (up 68.2%)
12. South Africa: $1.9 billion (down -269.4%)
13. Brazil: $1.8 billion (down -131.2%)
14. Indonesia: $1.4 billion (down -396.6%)
15. Romania: $1.3 billion (down -36.1%)

The following countries posted the highest negative net exports for cars.

1. United States: -US$119.5 billion (net export deficit up 26.2% since 2012)
2. China: -$39 billion (down -4.1%)
3. Australia: -$14.6 billion (down -7.6%)
4. France: -$13.5 billion (up 40.6%)
5. Italy: -$12.3 billion (up 11.3%)
6. Saudi Arabia: -$12.1 billion (down -21.3%)
7. Switzerland: -$9.8 billion (down -8%)
8. United Arab Emirates: -$9.5 billion (up 36.5%)
9. Norway: -$5.1 billion (down -2.7%)
10. Israel: -$4.9 billion (up 72.5%)
11. Russia: -$4.9 billion (down -74.4%)
12. Austria: -$4.9 billion (up 2.1%)
13. United Kingdom: -$4.8 billion (up 828.8%)
14. Philippines: -$3.9 billion (up 141.1%)
15. Taiwan: -$3.6 billion (up 127.8%)

http://www.worldstopexports.com/car-exports-country/

if that is what you call "far behind"

 

[Armand2REP]

then how did these Chinese car manufacturers manage to sell millions of units in 2017?

They sell Western brands made by JV.

 

[rockdog]

They sell Western brands made by JV.

Among 28.8 millions car sales in 2017, 43.9% are local Chinese brands.

http://www.xinhuanet.com/globe/2018-02/24/c_136994416.htm


Plus, French PSA group, DongFeng owns 20% share as biggest shareholder,
Mercedes Benz, Geely owns 10% as biggest shareholder,
Volvo automobile, Geely own 100% share.

 

[Armand2REP]

French PSA group, DongFeng owns 20% share as biggest shareholder,

They are an equal shareholder to the French State and to the Peugeot family owning 110,622,220 shares each.

 

[nimo_cn]

They sell Western brands made by JV.

silly, I am refering to Chinese brand. geely alone sold 800,000 units in 2017.

 

[Armand2REP]

silly, I am refering to Chinese brand. geely alone sold 800,000 units in 2017.

Silly, I am referring to real numbers like VW sold 3,139,120 units in China for 2017.

 

[no smoking]

Silly, I am referring to real numbers like VW sold 3,139,120 units in China for 2017.

Wait, didn't you claim there is no Chinese local brand acceptable to Chinese?
See how funny you change the topic when others show you the opposite.