Is Air force capable of Two Front War?

[LETHALFORCE]

I don't understand why? Why would countries get involved?

Because it is in their best interests to do so, if they don't protect alliances they will have to face the enemy alone.

 

[Oracle]

Because it is in their best interests to do so, if they don't protect alliances they will have to face the enemy alone.

LF - India and the US do not share any military alliances. Not that I know of.

With Russia, we can speculate. However, we do not know what's the pact in the secret pact.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

LF - India and the US do not share any military alliances. Not that I know of.

With Russia, we can speculate. However, we do not know what's the pact in the secret pact.

India is not going to announce any formal alliance anyone. But look at the interoperability of recent Indian weapons bought with NATO weaponry. C-17,P8-I,AWACS, Brahmos test in the past on US GPS,no news or follow up on Logistic agreement. These are all things that two nations that are working together do.

 

[Oracle]

India is not going to announce any formal alliance anyone. But look at the interoperability of recent Indian weapons bought with NATO weaponry. C-17,P8-I,AWACS, Brahmos test in the past on US GPS,no news or follow up on Logistic agreement. These are all things that two nations that are working together do.

I would like to assume you are correct.

 

[arya]

LF - India and the US do not share any military alliances. Not that I know of.

With Russia, we can speculate. However, we do not know what's the pact in the secret pact.

even we have with israeil

 

[Oracle]

even we have with israeil

Sources???

 

[Tshering22]

Sources???

That's not possible as the Israeli ambassador put it wisely 2 years ago : "what is a secret, with due respect, will remain a secret".

 

[ace009]

India is not going to announce any formal alliance anyone. But look at the interoperability of recent Indian weapons bought with NATO weaponry. C-17,P8-I,AWACS, Brahmos test in the past on US GPS,no news or follow up on Logistic agreement. These are all things that two nations that are working together do.

If you look at the countries India is doing military exercises with, you can have an idea about what India's tacit alliance is. USA, UK, France, Germany, Russia , Japan, Australia, Malayasia, Indonesia - get any ideas?

 

[binayak95]

Because it is in their best interests to do so, if they don't protect alliances they will have to face the enemy alone.

Can't agree more. US and Russia realise the importance of India vis-a-vis China. They know that if they let India lose a war against China, they China would become unstoppable, isn't that a good enough reason for anyone?

 

[himanshugoswami]

I think all of us are missing one point- what stops India from attacking Pakistan? their nukes, right? now logically, dont you think the same deterrent will apply to China. Would China risk Indian nukes falling on Chinese cities in the event Idia is on the brink of losing a war with China? I knowthat Chinese Nuke arsenal far outnumbers ours, but then, nukes are not only about numbers. Plus India's recent missile developments along with strike packages like the MKI with mid air refuelling, brings a lot of chinese cities under our nuke range.

So therefore, I dont think a wo front war or an all out war with China is likely. What is more likely is those mad Pakis launching a misadventure, but china is highly unlikely to step in......did they do so in Kargil?

Just my two paise!

 

[Rahul92]

Hey can anyone say how much time will it take to make one nuke bomb

 

[binayak95]

I think all of us are missing one point- what stops India from attacking Pakistan? their nukes, right? now logically, dont you think the same deterrent will apply to China. Would China risk Indian nukes falling on Chinese cities in the event Idia is on the brink of losing a war with China? I knowthat Chinese Nuke arsenal far outnumbers ours, but then, nukes are not only about numbers. Plus India's recent missile developments along with strike packages like the MKI with mid air refuelling, brings a lot of chinese cities under our nuke range.

So therefore, I dont think a wo front war or an all out war with China is likely. What is more likely is those mad Pakis launching a misadventure, but china is highly unlikely to step in......did they do so in Kargil?

Just my two paise!

I agree that a full scale war with China is highly unlikely now. But it is inevitable, considering the way things are going.

 

[agentperry]

IAF needs to place as many sams as they can so that they get enough deterrence and time to scale up their activities and raise new china specific squadrons. atmost iaf will be fighting in north-east of india or tibet so capability with this regard should only be acquired.

 

[Zebra]

Do IAF needs more a/cs for both fronts ?
In near future IAF will get MRCA , FGFA , PAK FA , LCA mk2 .
On our west front they will get more new - F 16 and JF 17 .
On east front new - J 10 , J 11 , J 20 and J XX . In near future China wants all 4th gen a/cs in PLAAF .
IAF will get new a/cs on other side they will also get new aircrafts .
I think India have to tackle both fronts by its own way .
For that IAF needs more aircrafts , which can counter F16 and JF 17 on west front . So all others can be on east side .

 

[ace009]

Here is the probable IAF manned, combat aircraft inventory for the next 20 years ...

2015 -
Su-30MKI ~150
Mig 29 ~60 (upgraded ~30)
Mirage 2000 ~50 (upgraded ~20)
MMRCA ~20
Mig-21Bis ~140
Mig 27 ~100
Jaguar ~100
LCA Mk1 ~40


2020 -
Su-30MKI ~200
Mig 29UPG ~60
Mirage 2000 (upg) ~50
MMRCA ~120
Mig-21Bis ~60
Jaguar (upg) ~100
LCA Mk1 ~40
LCA Mk2 ~60

2025 -
Su-30MKI ~270
FGFA/ PAK-FA ~60
Mig 29UPG ~60
Mirage 2000 (upg) ~50
MMRCA ~200
Jaguar ~50
LCA Mk1 ~40
LCA Mk2 ~200

2030 -
Su-30MKI ~200
FGFA/ PAK-FA ~200
AMCA ~50
MMRCA ~200
LCA Mk2 ~300

 

[plugwater]

^^^
2015 -
Su-30MKI ~230
Mig 29 ~60 (upgraded ~30)
Mirage 2000 ~50 (upgraded ~20)
MMRCA ~20
Mig-21Bis ~140
Mig 27 ~100
Jaguar ~100
LCA Mk1 ~20

 

[ace009]

^^^
2015 -
Su-30MKI ~230
Mig 29 ~60 (upgraded ~30)
Mirage 2000 ~50 (upgraded ~20)
MMRCA ~20
Mig-21Bis ~140
Mig 27 ~100
Jaguar ~100
LCA Mk1 ~20

I thought that between production slow down at HAL and super 30 upgradation, we would NOT have 230 Su-30 MKI by 2015.

 

[Zebra]

I do not know hove much a/cs PLAAF will/may have in future , but in past they never kept IAF as threat and kept their strength in eastern side of China . Then also PLAAF got ( as on 2006 ) .....

2006 CURRENT ESTIMATED INVENTORY PLAAF

People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF)

Aerospatiale SA.316 6
Aerospatiale SA.321 10
Aerospatiale SA.342L 8
Antonov AN-26 12
Antonov AN-30 8
Boeing 767-300ER 1
Boeing 737 10
Boeing 737C3 1
British Aero Trident 1E 6
British Aero Trident 2E 10
Canadair CL-601 5
Changhe Z-11 30 AS-555
Chengdu J-10 12
Chengdu J-7 322 MiG-21
Chengdu J-7II 99
Eurocopter AS332 6
Guizhou JJ-7 50 MiG-21
HAIG K-8J 25
Harbin H-5 150 Il-28
Harbin HJ-5 87 Il-28
Harbin Hz-5 40 Il-28
Harbin Y-11 15
Harbin Y-12 2
Harbin Z-6 30
Harbin Z-9 25 AS365N
Ilyushin KL-2000 2
Ilyushin IL-18 10
Ilyushin IL-76 20
MiG (* see note) MiG-31 24
Mil MI-6 3
Mil MI-8 30
Mil MI-17 24
Mil MI-171 69
Mil MI-171v-5 35
Nanchang CJ-6 1419 MiG-19
Nanchang Q-5 500
Shaanxi Y-8 48 An-12
Shenyang J-6 1000 MiG-19
Shenyang J-7 300 MiG-21
Shenyang J-8/-8II 180
Shenyang JJ-6 150 MiG-19
Shenyang JZ-6 100 MiG-19
Shenyang J-11 67 SU-27SK
Shijiazhuang Y-5 300 An-2
Sikorsky S-70 22
Sukhoi SU-27SK 52
Sukhoi SU-27UBK 40
Sukhoi SU-30 72
Tupolev TU-154M/D 4
Xian H-6 132 Tu-16
Xian Y-7 23 An-24

http://http://www.softwar.net/plaaf.html
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Now if they count IAF as a threat ( MRCA + FGFA + PAK FA ) for sure they will go for more J 10 , J 11, J 20 , J XX .

 

[aimarraul]

PLAAF

2011:

J10:200-220
su27,su30,J11A/B/BS: 250-300
JH7/7A:120-150
J8 series:>200
J7 series:>600

by 2015
+
modified CF1:unknown
J10B:>100
J11B/BS:>100
JH7B:unknown
J15(modified su33):<50
J16:unknown
J20,J19:<10
Y20:<10
Y9:unknown
H-6K:unknown

by 2020
+
steath bomber
stealth UCAV
exported/carrier-based J-XX

for more information about PLAAF,you can visit here

http://cnair.top81.cn/link.htm

 

[arya]

well no doubt china is ahead then us , we have to see that our own lca will develop more and will provide more power