INSAS Rifle, LMG & Carbine

[Mangal]

Making one sample for display is one thing. When it will come to bulk production..we all know how the end product comes out.

 

[Vishalreddy3]

Absorbed by who?
OFB had a lot of TOT but couldn't do much with it. Absorption of TOT is also important.

If in the future Punj Loyd and IWI part ways, then Punj Loyd should have the already have the capability to produce more enhanced weapons by then. Similarly with L&T.
The main reason OFB are substandard because the companies before who gave TOT to OFB like the British Royal Ordinance Factory (Which the OFB is modelled after) is substandard in itself!! Look where the ROF is today, nowhere to be seen due to their incompetency!!
The company which give you the technology also matters alot, hence select accordingly so not another company like Ofb comes at your doorstep

 

[ManhattanProject]

nope it's long stroke as usual,and even SIG 550 series is long stroke gas piston type.

nope

 

[ManhattanProject]

Debunked? Those guys are doing trials for their sniper rifle with Indian Army and have a JV with LMT which makes some of the best AR 15/10 rifles in the world!

If OFB gets the contract, you will see another INSAS style replacement 10 years down the line. Better to reduce damage now than later.

Stupid MOD Babus with their political games and whisper network .

the jv with lmt fell through.

 

[vampyrbladez]

Their JV with LMT has already been thrown into garbage as LMT is an amreeki company and they were forced to call it off due to ITAR ( International Traffic in Arms Regulations ).

They still have JV with a Brazilian company for ammunition JV.

With quality and innovation, SSS Defence is taking indigenous defence manufacturing closer to Aatmanirbharta

Raaj Nair, Vice President SSS Defence talks about the quality concern of Indian defence manufacturing and how SSS Defence is taking strategic collaboration with the Army to address their challenges inside out to deliver the best solutions.

www.themachinemaker.com

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How does this 'debunk' them?

OFB's product is the MINSAS with a milled receiver. They will manage to make it sell at $1000 a piece with additional labour charges and overhead.

10 years later IA will have another tender to replace these guns!

 

[vampyrbladez]

nope

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That's a long strike piston like the GALIL.

 

[Johny_Baba]

nope

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Ok if you cannot understand basic difference between short stroke and long stroke gas piston system then it's not my job to explain it all everytime.

BTW this is from SIG550's wikipedia page

 

[Johny_Baba]

They still have JV with a Brazilian company for ammunition JV.

With quality and innovation, SSS Defence is taking indigenous defence manufacturing closer to Aatmanirbharta

Raaj Nair, Vice President SSS Defence talks about the quality concern of Indian defence manufacturing and how SSS Defence is taking strategic collaboration with the Army to address their challenges inside out to deliver the best solutions.

www.themachinemaker.com

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How does this 'debunk' them?

OFB's product is the MINSAS with a milled receiver. They will manage to make it sell at $1000 a piece with additional labour charges and overhead.

10 years later IA will have another tender to replace these guns!

I just stated fact regarding so advertised JV with LMT, never deny the fact that they have JV with brazilian Companhia Brasileira de Cartuchos or CBC

as for "debunkum" things already a lot has been said about their shoddy practices in SSS thread and some other threads,you can refer them.

And no,OFB's carbine isn't MINSAS (that's in 5.56x30mm) in milled receiver rather a revision of existing design to adopt SIG pattern sectional receiver, they just adopted Amogh's ergonomics over this design (with that charging handle position, buttstock and so).

 

[WolfPack86]

Indian Defence Forces Considering 'Made In India' Carbine To Meet Urgent Requirements
The Indian Defence forces are considering the acquisition of 'Made in India' carbine in order to meet the urgent requirement amid a tense situation on the India-China border. Government sources told news agency ANI that the carbine produced by the Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) at its facility in Ishapore in West Bengal has been offered to the Armed Forces, who are now evaluating it for acquisition.

Preliminary trials of the weapon carried out

Preliminary trials of the weapon were also carried out a short while ago by officials concerned dealing with the acquisition of weapon systems for the three Armed Forces, sources revealed. If the OFB carbine is selected, it will undergo rigorous testing and initially be inducted in limited numbers only by the defence forces. The carbine is an infantry weapon used for close quarter battles for which the Indian Army has been on a lookout for many years.

3.5 lakh carbines overall required by the Defence forces

The overall requirement of the Armed Forces is for almost 3.5 lakh carbines, however, they wanted to acquire around 94,000 of these weapons through import route under fast track procedures, ANI sources said. Further, efforts to acquire the CQB carbines since 2008 have not materialised. The initial lot of carbines acquired by the Forces is expected to be provided to troops deployed on the China front, according to the ANI report.


The scope for consideration of buying indigenous carbine came up after it started to come to light that the Defence forces would not be acquiring the carbines from a foreign country. The issue of acquiring these carbines from abroad had been stuck for close to two years now as the matter was referred to a high-level Committee for decision by the Defence Acquisition Council under the first NDA government.


Meanwhile, Prime Minister Narendra Modi government recently cleared the second batch of the Sig Sauer assault rifles which would be provided to the troops deployed against the Chinese forces in Eastern Ladakh and other areas.

Indian defence forces considering 'Made in India' carbine to meet urgent requirements

Indian Defence forces are considering the acquisition of 'Made in India' carbine in order to meet the urgent requirement amid the tensed situation on border

www.republicworld.com

 

[vampyrbladez]

I just stated fact regarding so advertised JV with LMT, never deny the fact that they have JV with brazilian Companhia Brasileira de Cartuchos or CBC

as for "debunkum" things already a lot has been said about their shoddy practices in SSS thread and some other threads,you can refer them.

And no,OFB's carbine isn't MINSAS (that's in 5.56x30mm) in milled receiver rather a revision of existing design to adopt SIG pattern sectional receiver, they just adopted Amogh's ergonomics over this design (with that charging handle position, buttstock and so).

This is a Sig 556

See the problem? The OFB carbine looks like some one left this in the microwave for too long.

For reference, this is 10 year old design and Sig Sauer does not actively promote it.

 

[vampyrbladez]

As a general thumb rule of weapons design, good looking guns are often well designed ones.

M1911

M4A1

AKM

FN FAL

HK33

SCAR-H

 

[Johny_Baba]

This is a Sig 556

See the problem? The OFB carbine looks like some one left this in the microwave for too long.

For reference, this is 10 year old design and Sig Sauer does not actively promote it.

Sure if you cannot consider upgrade in terms of build (shoddy riveted-stamped receivers to well build machined receivers,now with sectioned parts) then it's your problem,go on and keep judging a book by its cover.

I'm looking at the slightest possibility of whole future of INSAS line could be based on this pattern of receiver and build if this Carbine succeedes.

 

[Emperor Kalki]

as for "debunkum" things already a lot has been said about their shoddy practices in SSS thread and some other threads,you can refer them.

What happened to that hit job piece on SSS that you were working on....?

I'm looking at the slightest possibility of whole future of INSAS line could be based on this pattern of receiver and build if this Carbine succeedes.

 

[Johny_Baba]

What happened to that hit job piece on SSS that you were working on....?

Busy with life,man....i am burdened with seemingly unfair responsibilites and couldn't allot much time to that...
but at least those conents are there so anybody could write based on that whoever would like to.

even today i didn't want to jump in the discussion but constant ranting on new Carbine based on petty assumptions and bad quality pic made me do so

 

[Vishalreddy3]

We completely forgot what happened yesterday!!
A joint venture has been signed between India and UK which includes Firearms!!
Its going to be a game changer in this field apart from Infantry Fighting Vehicles!!

 

[itsAurea]

Not very impressive, to be honest. It is kind of a standard equipment so I guess it's a better arm than any.

 

[Emperor Kalki]

Busy with life,man....i am burdened with seemingly unfair responsibilites and couldn't allot much time to that...
but at least those conents are there so anybody could write based on that whoever would like to.

even today i didn't want to jump in the discussion but constant ranting on new Carbine based on petty assumptions and bad quality pic made me do so

Well, don't dump it.....might find use later....

 

[Chinmoy]

. 303 Lee Enfield rifle sniper of Prakasham district police (pics already posted in Indian Police Thread)
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You can check its review and accuracy in this video!

The most judicious use of the vintage bu potent weapon in modern sense. Just need some good upgrade kit.

 

[WolfPack86]

UAE firm selected for carbines in talks with Indian defence majors to set up plant

The UAE government-owned entity that has been selected for a contract to supply close quarter battle carbines on a fast track basis to the army says that is in talks with major Indian defence players to set up manufacturing facilities from which it can source up to 60% of the components needed. Caracal International, which was selected to supply 93, 895 new generation carbines, did not disclose the names of its Indian partners but said that it is willing to transfer technology and move production here, in an exclusive interview with ET. As reported, the fast track carbine procurement plan is at a tricky juncture – at a special meeting held last month, chaired by the defence secretary, it was decided that plans in the works since 2018 to import a limited number of close quarter battle carbines to meet immediate requirements are to be shelved in favour of a Make in India plan. However, the high-powered Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) still has to ratify the decision and the army has been of the opinion that a larger order for 350,000 carbines can be processed under the Make in India initiative but the fast track procurement of 93, 895 should go ahead due to the urgent nature of the requirement. “We already have partners in India who are suppliers that can make more than 60% of the parts. They can make the samples and they can make the parts for us. So, when Caracal wants to move in India, we already have production suppliers and the relationship is there,” said Hamad Salem Al Ameri, chief executive officer, Caracal. The executive added that Caracal can move to a 100% Make in India model in the future as well if its government-owned intellectual property (IP) is assured to be protected. “We have already identified all the suppliers for parts and who will do what and at what price. Now, we have a lot of options in India that we are carefully exploring,” he said, adding that the UAE-based company wants to offer its larger range of small arms to the Indian market. Responding to questions on communication from the Indian ministry on the status of the contract, Al Ameri said that Caracal has been identified as the lowest bidder and has been waiting for a final decision and that government to government channels have been opened after reports that it could be cancelled. “Under CARACAL portfolio, we have more than 14 products for small arms. We are very serious about the Indian market… the relationship between the two nations, the history that we have makes it easy to do,” he said. The Indian Army has been without a close quarter battle weapon for years, with officials saying that regular assault rifles are being used for the role, reducing the operational efficiency of troops. While the weapons are particularly useful in anti-terrorist operations, they also have immense utility in border operations where a clash between patrolling troops can take place at close quarters. Sources said that the army supports initiatives by the private and public sector in developing these weapons in-house and has started engaging with companies for a larger order of 350,000 rifles that will be fully made in India, with options for exports too.

UAE firm selected for carbines in talks with Indian defence majors to set up plant – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

 

[samsaptaka]

nope

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Gawd ! This is one butt fugly looking weapon, its as if various parts of different AK versions decided to do the ahem 'cha cha' and couldn't get separated later !
Oh Effing B with their best effort ! If this is the 'make in india' carbine, then I REALLY REALLY wish IA ditches it.
Atleast JVPC is better...