INSAS Rifle, LMG & Carbine

[sydsnyper]

@Kunal Biswas - Do you know if there is any such development of a new MMG?

I just saw this post on FB of a pic of an IWI Negev with the title that India had developed an indigenous MMG and named it after Guru Gobind Singh - the GGS 98.. The pic obviously is a fake, but is the news true ?

 

[Shaitan]

I just saw this post on FB of a pic of an IWI Negev with the title that India had developed an indigenous MMG and named it after Guru Gobind Singh - the GGS 98.. The pic obviously is a fake, but is the news true ?

@Kunal Biswas - Do you know if there is any such development of a new MMG?

Yes, there is a new LMG in the works. As well as an MMG.

The picture is an belt fed LMG.

Details above, ignore the placeholder image. We have yet to see the design, it's in advanced stages. It was mentioned that we were going to see it soon.

 

[rishivashista13]

Looks like we are good at developing wepons , we are moving very fast , developing new guns and systems as required by our forces .
INSAS , Ex caliber , MCIWS , MSMC , AR2 etc are good examples and are world class products .
I think we should trust our home made wepone systems boost our capabilities and one day we will compete america and russia .
What do you say ?

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[pmaitra]

Its not fashion parade, its matter of life and death.

Mr. Sayare, did you mean to start a new thread? We already have another thread with the exact same title.

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/insas-rifle-lmg-carbine.43826/

 

[sydsnyper]

Is it just me or does the INSAS LMG seem to have barely any barrel rise and very low recoil for an LMG....

 

[sydsnyper]

I also found this video of a regular INSAS firing in three round burst, and the barrel rise seems to be effectively dampened... or is it just my patriotic goggles....


In the following video however it seems like there is a pretty good barrel rise, which I think could be because of an improper stance. Instead of leaning slightly into the weapon they seem to be leaning away, an M14 fired like so will rise up and knock your nose off...

 

[sayareakd]

Is it just me or does the INSAS LMG seem to have barely any barrel rise and very low recoil for an LMG....

Yeah long ago i also saw the same, its very stable for LMG.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

India developing superior rifle Russia, US

India has developed templates assault rifle INSAS rifle with many advantages for that than the infantry rifles from Russia, America, let alone Chinese rifles.

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These new images are Chinese media announced that India had already completed test form new assault rifle INSAS rifle equipped 1B1 and started mass in the military.

Photos Chinese press for the Indian Army being trained with new weapons with improved accuracy over previous lot.

In the 50s of the last century, the Indian infantry often used type of assault rifle FN FAL Belgian, but in the strategic development of their weapons, India has the policy to a homemade weapon and gradually replace imported weapons.

It was not until the 80s of the last century intentions rifle manufactured INSAS rifle was officially launched, but due to many reasons rifle was produced series has also been delayed due to issues related to ammunition.

Though information about this rifle went into the final judgment, but Chinese intelligence circles recently argue that, India is conducting a series equipped with rifles INSAS rifle version upgrades to improve power combat infantry forces of this country.

Design, rifle INSAS rifle designed based on the Kalashnikov AK-47 rifle, but with many changes. System loaded with basic pneumatic tube includes a long extract gas, Rotating bolt and a rotary gear stick that is the model of the Kalashnikov. Extract air systems have the ability to control the amount of gas extracted by hand is the design can be found on FN FAL export as well as brake and gas extracted. The handle is also designed to be used efficiently by the left hand and right hand like the HK G3 German border.

INSAS rifle assault rifle with semi-automatic shooting modes and 3 capsules at once very similar to the US M16 rifle. System was designed from the INSAS rifle, INSAS rifle Excalibur Mark-I is designed with folding pistol and ammunition 20-30 members. It also added rack mounted above the barrel to be mounted electronic viewfinder.

The bottom of the barrel can be mounted grenade launcher or bayonet tubes specifically designed for INSAS rifle but can also attach to the AK-47s used by paramilitary forces.

CNJ Chinese newspaper said that the rifle INSAS rifle 1B1 is considered the latest version of the line inland rifle Indian INSAS rifle is designed with advantages of hybrid variety of assault rifles in the world, but that does not mean that the assault rifles of Indian dominance than China guns and INSAS rifle design has much has really outdated.

Close up image of INSAS rifle rifle rifle variant 1B1 latest Chinese media reports that India is conducting a series equipped soldiers to the country.

according Baodatviet.vn

(The title by Infonet reset)

Source :
Trung Quốc có hoảng hồn với loại súng mới của Ấn Độ? - Báo Đất Việt
http://infonet.vn/an-do-phat-trien-sung-truong-vuot-troi-nga-my-post123623.info

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Some Vietnamese Sources About INSAS 1B1 Improved, Much of the Information is gather from DFI and My pictures ..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

China has dismayed with India's new gun?

(Hot Photos) - In development programs armament your personal, India were developing the assault rifle INSAS rifle with much more advantage is that both the infantry rifles from Russia, the United States rather to say nothing of the Chinese rifles ...

These new images are Chinese media announced that India had already completed test form new assault rifle INSAS rifle equipped 1B1 and started mass in the military.

Photos Chinese press for the Indian Army being trained with new weapons with improved accuracy over previous lot.

In the 50s of the last century, the Indian infantry often used type of assault rifle FN FAL Belgian, but in the strategic development of their weapons, India has the policy to a homemade weapon and gradually replace imported weapons.

It was not until the 80s of the last century intentions rifle manufactured INSAS rifle was officially launched, but due to many reasons rifle was produced series has also been delayed due to issues related to ammunition.

Though information about this rifle went into the final judgment, but Chinese intelligence circles recently argue that, India is conducting a series equipped with rifles INSAS rifle version upgrades to improve power combat infantry forces of this country. Though information about this rifle went into the final judgment, but Chinese intelligence circles recently argue that, India is conducting a series equipped with rifles INSAS rifle version upgrades to improve power combat infantry forces of this country.

Design, rifle INSAS rifle designed based on the Kalashnikov AK-47 rifle, but with many changes. System loaded with basic pneumatic tube includes a long extract gas, Rotating bolt and a rotary gear stick that is the model of the Kalashnikov. Extract air systems have the ability to control the amount of gas extracted by hand is the design can be found on FN FAL export as well as brake and gas extracted. The handle is also designed to be used efficiently by the left hand and right hand like the HK G3 German border.

INSAS rifle assault rifle with semi-automatic shooting modes and 3 capsules at once very similar to the US M16 rifle. System was designed from the INSAS rifle, INSAS rifle Excalibur Mark-I is designed with folding pistol and ammunition 20-30 members. It also added rack mounted above the barrel to be mounted electronic viewfinder.

The bottom of the barrel can be mounted grenade launcher or bayonet tubes specifically designed for INSAS rifle but can also attach to the AK-47s used by paramilitary forces.

CNJ Chinese newspaper said that the rifle INSAS rifle 1B1 is considered the latest version of the line inland rifle Indian INSAS rifle is designed with advantages of hybrid variety of assault rifles in the world, but that does not mean that the assault rifles of Indian dominance than China guns and INSAS rifle design has much has really outdated.

Close up image of INSAS rifle rifle rifle variant 1B1 latest Chinese media reports that India is conducting a series equipped soldiers to the country.

Source :
Trung Quốc có hoảng hồn với loại súng mới của Ấn Độ? - Báo Đất Việt
http://m.tinngan.vn/Trung-Quoc-giat-minh-truoc-loai-sung-moi-cua-An-Do_0-150-0-456316.html
http://gomtin.com/quansu/vukhi/loai-sung-moi-cua-an-do-co-khien-trung-quoc-hoang-hon/

 

[Kunal Biswas]

1B1 is slightly heavier at front and effective muzzle brake reduce recoil ..

I also found this video of a regular INSAS firing in three round burst, and the barrel rise seems to be effectively dampened... or is it just my patriotic goggles....

In the following video however it seems like there is a pretty good barrel rise, which I think could be because of an improper stance. Instead of leaning slightly into the weapon they seem to be leaning away, an M14 fired like so will rise up and knock your nose off...

 

[Hari Sud]

Kunal Biswas

Any word on Excaliber and multi caliber rifle.

Are they nearing trials and introduction into army, I mean army and not other services.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

INSAS Excalibur MK1A was operational and given to infantry units for testing, based on results a more refined version is now out for testing and handed out to Infantry unit serving in field areas ..

Cannot say abt multical rifle, Its still under development phase ..

Kunal Biswas

Any word on Excaliber and multi caliber rifle.

Are they nearing trials and introduction into army, I mean army and not other services.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

INSAS 1B ( Without Rail, Orange fiber ), First issued during 1999 Operation Vijay .

INSAS 1B1 improved ( With Rail, Phosphate coated metal parts and black fiber ), Issue from 2014 to present day 2016, Replacing older 1B1 progressively.

1999 to present 2016 ..

 

[BillabonG]

Is it just me or does the INSAS LMG seem to have barely any barrel rise and very low recoil for an LMG....

It would be awesome , if Insas LMG had box mag

 

[Kunal Biswas]

This should be a must ..

It would be awesome , if Insas LMG had box mag

 

[rishivashista13]

This should be a must ..

Yes , its really cool , but for carrying these you should have different types of pockets in uniform and BPJs . And you cant carry them in numbers as it will be really uncomfortable .
http://www.surefire.com/mag5-60.html

I think this can be more useful

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[armyofhind]

Yes , its really cool , but for carrying these you should have different types of pockets in uniform and BPJs . And you cant carry them in numbers as it will be really uncomfortable .
http://www.surefire.com/mag5-60.html

I think this can be more useful

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complicated system.. prone to feed malfunctions

 

[Saichand K]

Army has launched a fresh hunt for a new-generation assault rifle all over again. Rejecting the 5.56x45mm calibre Excalibur rifle offered by the DRDO-Ordnance Factory Board combine, the force has now decided to go in for a 7.62x51mm gun with “higher kill probability and stopping power”. In the race to acquire high-end weapon systems, from submarines and fighters to howitzers and helicopters, basic weaponry and protective gear for ordinary foot-soldiers often do not get the requisite attention and push by the brass. But the Army says it means business this time, shrugging aside failed attempts to acquire new rifles over the last decade. The RFI (request for information) for the new 7.62mm assault rifles is going to be issued soon to elicit responses from around the globe. “The GSQRs (general staff qualitative requirements) or technical parameters for the rifles will then be formulated before the actual tender is floated to invite bids,” said a source. It was in April that the Army commanders’ conference first discussed whether the force required a 7.62mm rifle that “killed” or a 5.56mm rifle that “incapacitated” enemy soldiers, as was then reported by TOI. “The decision has now been taken to go for 7.62x51mm rifles with a higher kill probability and accuracy at an enhanced effective range of 500-metre,” said the source. The military wisdom till now was that the 5.56mm rifle was better for conventional war because it generally injured an enemy soldier, tying down at least two of his colleagues to carry him in the battlefield. Conversely, the 7.62mm rifle was better for counter-insurgency since terrorists had to be killed at the first instance, eliminating the risk of “suicide bombing”. Soldiers largely use the 7.62mm AK-47 rifles for counter-insurgency operations in Kashmir and the northeast, even though the infantry is saddled with the indigenous glitch-prone 5.56mm INSAS (Indian small arms system) rifles. The fully-automatic Excalibur, which fires 5.56x45mm ammunition, is a much-improved version of INSAS rifle that entered service in 1994-1995. But the Army now wants 7.62mm rifles for greater lethality. The Army’s overambitious experiment to induct rifles with interchangeable barrels, with a 5.56x45mm primary barrel for conventional warfare and a 7.62x39mm secondary one for counter-terrorism, miserably flopped last year.As was first reported by TOI in May last year, the proposed mega project was junked since the rifles on offer by armament firms like Colt (US), Beretta (Italy), Ceska (Czech) and Israel Weapon Industries were not found cost-effective or suitable after extensive trials. Under the project, 65,000 rifles were to be directly acquired from the selected vendor to equip the 120 infantry battalions deployed on the western and eastern fronts. The OFB was to then subsequently manufacture over 1,13,000 such rifles after getting transfer of technology from the foreign company .

http://idrw.org/army-hunts-lethal-assault-rifle-junks-drdos-excalibur/#more-100279

Source:idrw.org

 

[Saichand K]

If army wants to induct 7.62mm rifles, MoD should ask them to induct Ghatak rifles in large numbers.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

IDRW copied TOI article written by Rajat Pandit ..

Take it with a pinch of salt, The RFI is for sniper rifle ..

Army has launched a fresh hunt for a new-generation assault rifle all over again. Rejecting the 5.56x45mm calibre Excalibur rifle offered by the DRDO-Ordnance Factory Board combine, the force has now decided to go in for a 7.62x51mm gun with “higher kill probability and stopping power”. In the race to acquire high-end weapon systems, from submarines and fighters to howitzers and helicopters, basic weaponry and protective gear for ordinary foot-soldiers often do not get the requisite attention and push by the brass. But the Army says it means business this time, shrugging aside failed attempts to acquire new rifles over the last decade. The RFI (request for information) for the new 7.62mm assault rifles is going to be issued soon to elicit responses from around the globe. “The GSQRs (general staff qualitative requirements) or technical parameters for the rifles will then be formulated before the actual tender is floated to invite bids,” said a source. It was in April that the Army commanders’ conference first discussed whether the force required a 7.62mm rifle that “killed” or a 5.56mm rifle that “incapacitated” enemy soldiers, as was then reported by TOI. “The decision has now been taken to go for 7.62x51mm rifles with a higher kill probability and accuracy at an enhanced effective range of 500-metre,” said the source. The military wisdom till now was that the 5.56mm rifle was better for conventional war because it generally injured an enemy soldier, tying down at least two of his colleagues to carry him in the battlefield. Conversely, the 7.62mm rifle was better for counter-insurgency since terrorists had to be killed at the first instance, eliminating the risk of “suicide bombing”. Soldiers largely use the 7.62mm AK-47 rifles for counter-insurgency operations in Kashmir and the northeast, even though the infantry is saddled with the indigenous glitch-prone 5.56mm INSAS (Indian small arms system) rifles. The fully-automatic Excalibur, which fires 5.56x45mm ammunition, is a much-improved version of INSAS rifle that entered service in 1994-1995. But the Army now wants 7.62mm rifles for greater lethality. The Army’s overambitious experiment to induct rifles with interchangeable barrels, with a 5.56x45mm primary barrel for conventional warfare and a 7.62x39mm secondary one for counter-terrorism, miserably flopped last year.As was first reported by TOI in May last year, the proposed mega project was junked since the rifles on offer by armament firms like Colt (US), Beretta (Italy), Ceska (Czech) and Israel Weapon Industries were not found cost-effective or suitable after extensive trials. Under the project, 65,000 rifles were to be directly acquired from the selected vendor to equip the 120 infantry battalions deployed on the western and eastern fronts. The OFB was to then subsequently manufacture over 1,13,000 such rifles after getting transfer of technology from the foreign company .

http://idrw.org/army-hunts-lethal-assault-rifle-junks-drdos-excalibur/#more-100279

Source:idrw.org

If army wants to induct 7.62mm rifles, MoD should ask them to induct Ghatak rifles in large numbers.