INSAS Rifle, LMG & Carbine

[Cruise missile]

IA can use in Kashmir for counter insergency especially in Urban warfare.
Moreover, Clearing Army trials has its own significance as it is the most stringent form of trial. no trials exist beyond it so JVPC can readily induct by CISF, Police, VIPs protection groups, CRPF, and others.

It is already inducted by SPG afaik.

 

[vishnugupt]

@DRDO_India
designed #JVPC Carbine (5.56x30mm) completes final user-trial meeting all GSQRs of #IndianArmy
JVPC firing.
#JVPC has completed trials when Army Chief Gen MM Naravane was in #UAE which was hard pitching for its #Caracal carbines for #IndianArmy
DRDO release says that the 5.56x30 mm Joint Venture Protective Carbine #JVPC has successfully undergone the final phase of user trials on Dec 7 meeting all GSQR parameters. This has paved the way for induction into the Services
JVPC firing.

One thing we must notice, That firing a weapon by a Professional soldier and by Sandeep unnithan or by a big belly Saab has remarkable differences. Here Gun is showing excellent stability and less recoil.

Compare IA firing with these previous firing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rISj0OFJumY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kG_JCGf6l8

 

[vishnugupt]

It is already inducted by SPG afaik.

Yes, you are right but yet see in service. Successful trials by the Army will further strengthen its reputation/reliability and will invite more firm orders from all services.

 

[Tridev123]

Yes, you are right but yet see in service. Successful trials by the Army will further strengthen its reputation/reliability and will invite more firm orders from all services.

It is a good design and also looks great, unlike the INSAS.
But, but - - - will giving the OFB the monopoly to manufacture it means history will be repeated and the INSAS saga plays out.

So why not divide the potential orders into two. Let OFB produce 50% and let a small arms private company like Kalyanis(I believe they a plant to manufacture Israeli small arms) or maybe even L&T produce the other 50%.

After all both Kalyani and L&T are Indian companies and the design and technology stay within India.

Should be tried out.

 

[WolfPack86]

INDIAN ARMY TO GET `MADE IN INDIA' CARBINES DESIGNED BY DRDO
According to the Ministry of Defence (MoD), during the trials all the GSQR parameters were met with, thus, clearing the way for the Joint Venture Protective Carbine (JVPC) to be inducted into the services


According to the information shared by the Ministry of Defence, the JVPC is a Gas Operated Semi Bull-pup automatic weapon. It comes with more than 700 rpm rate of fire.

The 5.56×30 mm Protective Carbine, which has been designed by the Defence, Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) cleared the final phase of user trials earlier this week. According to the Ministry of Defence (MoD), during the trials all the GSQR parameters were met with, thus, clearing the way for the Joint Venture Protective Carbine (JVPC) to be inducted into the services. The trials were carried out under extreme temperatures in both summer and high altitudes during winter, and also met with all the performance criteria of reliability and accuracy. It also passed the quality trials which were conducted by the DGQA.

More About JVPC

According to the information shared by the Ministry of Defence, the PVPC is a Gas Operated Semi Bull-pup automatic weapon. It comes with more than 700 rpm rate of fire.

The range of the carbine is more than 100 m, weighing about 3.0 kg.

It has features high reliability, low recoil, retractable Butt, ergonomic design, single hand firing capability, and multiple Picatinny rails etc.

Why Is This Important?

Because these features make the weapon potent for Counter Insurgency /Counter-Terrorism operations.

Armament Research and Development Establishment (ARDE), a Pune based laboratory of DRDO has designed the carbine based on the India Army’s GSQR.

The weapon which has already cleared the Ministry of Home Affairs trials and the procurements have been initiated by the CAPFs and other state organization will be manufactured at Small Arms Factory, Kanpur.

The Ammunition is manufactured at ammunition Factory, Kirkee Pune.

The 5.56 x 30 mm JVPC was unveiled by the defence Minister Rajnath Singh earlier this year during the DefExpo.

As has been reported, the deal of buying Close Quarter Carbines (CQB) from a UAE based company Caracal has been put on hold, as the government was keen on getting an indigenous weapon for the armed forces.

Indian Army To Get `Made In India' Carbines Designed By DRDO

According to the Ministry of Defence (MoD), during the trials all the GSQR parameters were met with, thus, clearing the way for the Joint Ve...

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[vishnugupt]

It is a good design and also looks great, unlike the INSAS.
But, but - - - will giving the OFB the monopoly to manufacture it means history will be repeated and the INSAS saga plays out.

So why not divide the potential orders into two. Let OFB produce 50% and let a small arms private company like Kalyanis(I believe they a plant to manufacture Israeli small arms) or maybe even L&T produce the other 50%.

After all both Kalyani and L&T are Indian companies and the design and technology stay within India.

Should be tried out.

Don't worry, this issue is something whole AtmaNirbhar based upon. There is a private company that is already manufacturing JVPC parts and later the whole assembly will be transferred.

Very few people know here that the Armed forces send their permanent representatives to OFB to check quality. These representatives live, eat, stay there, and continue to check the quality of the product.

Quality is the least concerning issue but the biggest issue of OFB are procedural delay, poor supply, delayed corrections, ( working insufficiency ) which left Armed forces underprepared.

By the way, The effective firing range of JVPC is more than 200 meters

 

[Killbot]

It is a good design and also looks great, unlike the INSAS.
But, but - - - will giving the OFB the monopoly to manufacture it means history will be repeated and the INSAS saga plays out.

So why not divide the potential orders into two. Let OFB produce 50% and let a small arms private company like Kalyanis(I believe they a plant to manufacture Israeli small arms) or maybe even L&T produce the other 50%.

After all both Kalyani and L&T are Indian companies and the design and technology stay within India.

Should be tried out.

Design sucks.

 

[Narasimh]

Design sucks.

If its good enough to clear Army Trials and requirements then design is right.

 

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[Killbot]

If its good enough to clear Army Trials and requirements then design is right.

It is not user friendly at all. Front sight post is in the way of everything, operates on long stroke gas piston, doesn't have bolt catch, charging handle location sucks, ergonomics are shit, the rails are tiny, etc.. Want me to go on? If the army was actually consulted while designing that thing, it might have been an okay product. Thing is stick in the '80s like everything else OFB makes.

 

[another_armchair]

It is not user friendly at all. Front sight post is in the way of everything, operates on long stroke gas piston, doesn't have bolt catch, charging handle location sucks, ergonomics are shit, etc.. Want me to go on?

Seeing the 'pro desi' pitch here, I didn't dare ask for a comparison between FN-P90, JVPC and maybe MP-x series. The UZI is already used to good effect. Get Caracal or HK, worst case, some M series carbines and get this over and done with. No more chu-cha for the next 10 years.

 

[Killbot]

Seeing the 'pro desi' pitch here, I didn't dare ask for a comparison between FN-P90, JVPC and maybe MP-x series. The UZI is already used to good effect. Get Caracal or HK, worst case, some M series carbines and get this over and done with. No more chu-cha for the next 10 years.

Its only direct competitors are the HK MP7 and FN P90. Compare with those and then arrive at a conclusion..

HK MP7:

FN P90:

DRDO/OFB JVPC:

This new version appears to have fixed a few of the ergonomics problems, but bolt catch and release is a must for any PDW. And shorten the damn barrel, for fuck's sake. And moving the charging handle a little further back isn't rocket science.

 

[Narasimh]

It is not user friendly at all. Front sight post is in the way of everything, operates on long stroke gas piston, doesn't have bolt catch, charging handle location sucks, ergonomics are shit, the rails are tiny, etc.. Want me to go on? If the army was actually consulted while designing that thing, it might have been an okay product. Thing is stick in the '80s like everything else OFB makes.

I am no ballistics engineer to understand the intricacies of the gun design but army has the expertise to judge the weapon. You may be right at the technical points you made but looks like army does not mind those. And it's not like army is really out of options either.. they have the caracal thing going on already but still they passed this weapon means something. Let's wait and see if they place orders.

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

Is any state police testing the JVPC?

 

[Killbot]

Is any state police testing the JVPC?

Chhathisgarh police has inducted it in small numbers. Various other state police forces are looking at it

 

[Killbot]

I am no ballistics engineer to understand the intricacies of the gun design but army has the expertise to judge the weapon. You may be right at the technical points you made but looks like army does not mind those. And it's not like army is really out of options either.. they have the caracal thing going on already but still they passed this weapon means something. Let's wait and see if they place orders.

Car-816 has nothing in common with the JVPC. They are very different products. I hope the army buys it, as it is going to be made in India as well.. The JVPC has no place in the army imo.

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

Car-816 has nothing in common with the JVPC. They are very different products. I hope the army buys it, as it is going to be made in India as well.. The JVPC has no place in the army imo.

IMO, with COAS in UAE in the next few days, the Caracal carbine deal for 93000 will get a go ahead. The JVPC might be given to the MP, maybe as a PDW for armoured/signals. And then probably there will be a bid for 300k carbines made in India.
The JVPC should be given to police personnel to replace the sterling and lathis.

 

[Heat]

INDIAN ARMY TO GET `MADE IN INDIA' CARBINES DESIGNED BY DRDO
According to the Ministry of Defence (MoD), during the trials all the GSQR parameters were met with, thus, clearing the way for the Joint Venture Protective Carbine (JVPC) to be inducted into the services


According to the information shared by the Ministry of Defence, the JVPC is a Gas Operated Semi Bull-pup automatic weapon. It comes with more than 700 rpm rate of fire.

The 5.56×30 mm Protective Carbine, which has been designed by the Defence, Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) cleared the final phase of user trials earlier this week. According to the Ministry of Defence (MoD), during the trials all the GSQR parameters were met with, thus, clearing the way for the Joint Venture Protective Carbine (JVPC) to be inducted into the services. The trials were carried out under extreme temperatures in both summer and high altitudes during winter, and also met with all the performance criteria of reliability and accuracy. It also passed the quality trials which were conducted by the DGQA.

More About JVPC

According to the information shared by the Ministry of Defence, the PVPC is a Gas Operated Semi Bull-pup automatic weapon. It comes with more than 700 rpm rate of fire.

The range of the carbine is more than 100 m, weighing about 3.0 kg.

It has features high reliability, low recoil, retractable Butt, ergonomic design, single hand firing capability, and multiple Picatinny rails etc.

Why Is This Important?

Because these features make the weapon potent for Counter Insurgency /Counter-Terrorism operations.

Armament Research and Development Establishment (ARDE), a Pune based laboratory of DRDO has designed the carbine based on the India Army’s GSQR.

The weapon which has already cleared the Ministry of Home Affairs trials and the procurements have been initiated by the CAPFs and other state organization will be manufactured at Small Arms Factory, Kanpur.

The Ammunition is manufactured at ammunition Factory, Kirkee Pune.

The 5.56 x 30 mm JVPC was unveiled by the defence Minister Rajnath Singh earlier this year during the DefExpo.

As has been reported, the deal of buying Close Quarter Carbines (CQB) from a UAE based company Caracal has been put on hold, as the government was keen on getting an indigenous weapon for the armed forces.

Indian Army To Get `Made In India' Carbines Designed By DRDO

According to the Ministry of Defence (MoD), during the trials all the GSQR parameters were met with, thus, clearing the way for the Joint Ve...

www.indiandefensenews.in

Decent gun with good accuracy and little recoil which fires moderately competent MINSAS rounds.
Army cannot go wrong with this one, imo.

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

Interseting thing is that JVPC is being offered by ARDE for carbine RFI issued in 2018. However, the carbine RFI stated caliber requirement of 5.56*45 mm.

Then again OFT is offering TAR carbine chambered for 2020.

So the question arises that requirement is modified or not?

The only rifle which fullfiled the original RFI requirement and cleared army trials in 2015 was Insas excalibur MK1C. Incidentally, this rifle just like JVPC is being inducted in CAPF and state police. Hence, why wasn't this rifle taking part in FTP carbine RFI of 2018 and subsequent competition with Caracal and others?

 

[WolfPack86]

@DRDO_India
designed #JVPC Carbine (5.56x30mm) completes final user-trial meeting all GSQRs of #IndianArmy
Burst fire by JVPC carbine.
With over 10,00,000 carbines eventually required by the Armed Forces & CAPFs . I see the 93000
@_edgegroup
CARACAL coming in as a elite weapon for troops deployed in CI Ops while the #JVPC fills in the rest of the requirement.
DRDO release says that the 5.56x30 mm Joint Venture Protective Carbine #JVPC has successfully undergone the final phase of user trials on Dec 7 meeting all GSQR parameters. This has paved the way for induction into the Services