INSAS Rifle, LMG & Carbine

[Killbot]

Well. I thought that such a modification will make the INSAS LMG 5.56 more useful and relevant.

A 30 round magazine for an LMG is simply not sufficient. At firing rates of minimum 600 rounds per minute a 30 round magazine will be emptied out quickly requiring frequent magazine changes.

You fire in short bursts, not sustained. But 30 rounds is still insufficient. They can make drum mags, but I wouldn't trust OFB to make an already unreliable system. They'll fuck it up even more..

 

[Killbot]

Ag

agree...saw a video from last year i think...IA soldier using the Insas LMG on pak border....plenty of misfires...(prolly faulty ammo)...he went thru 8-12 mags...one after the other...

Again, a gun without a quick change barrel is not meant for sustained fire. It'll obviously get overheated and send a bunch of dust and carbon and some gases down the gas block into the chamber...

 

[Desi Aam]

Again, a gun without a quick change barrel is not meant for sustained fire. It'll obviously get overheated and send a bunch of dust and carbon and some gases down the gas block into the chamber...

Ehh...?

Have you seen that video...?? Suggest you check it out before you offer your opinion...!!

 

[Killbot]

Ehh...?

Have you seen that video...?? Suggest you check it out before you offer your opinion...!!

I have.

Read my post again. What I meant was, no mag fed rifle can make it through 8 30 round mags without the barrel getting overheated. In this case, malfunctions are bound to happen due to the combination of environmental factors, overheating and OFB metallurgy on the barrel. Nothing to do with ammo.

You need a thick profile barrel for better heat dissipation (which INSAS LMG has) and the ability to change the barrel in the field (Like M249, Negev, etc). Because barrel overheating is inevitable when you have 200 rounds through the gun on full auto without a break. And the barrel life on INSAS isn't something to write home about, according this veteran I know (due to OFB QC).

 

[Tridev123]

Ag

agree...saw a video from last year i think...IA soldier using the Insas LMG on pak border....plenty of misfires...(prolly faulty ammo)...he went thru 8-12 mags...one after the other...

We have been hearing about the fuck up by the OFB so many times in the last few decades. This ghost should be laid to rest

Why don't they give the IPR rights to the private sector for the production of small arms.
Example, Kalyani group should be given the rights to manufacture the
1. Latest versions of the INSAS/Excaliber
2.INSAS LMG 5.56
3.JVPC
I would really like to see what Baba Kalyani does. Is he going to replicate the poor manufacturing practices of the OFB or innovate. Making the product better and delivering a world class product.

If Kalyani makes a good product out of the same INSAS design then OFB should be shown the middle finger and given an ultimatum. Either restructure to increase efficiency or shut down.

We keep on cursing the OFB but are clueless about how to turn this sloth bear into a tiger.

 

[Tridev123]

You fire in short bursts, not sustained. But 30 rounds is still insufficient. They can make drum mags, but I wouldn't trust OFB to make an already unreliable system. They'll fuck it up even more..

Does India have an alternative to the comatose OFB.
How we wish that an Indian Heckler & Koch exists in the country.
Why would we then need to import rifles.

 

[Killbot]

We have been hearing about the fuck up by the OFB so many times in the last few decades. This ghost should be laid to rest

Why don't they give the IPR rights to the private sector for the production of small arms.
Example, Kalyani group should be given the rights to manufacture the
1. Latest versions of the INSAS/Excaliber
2.INSAS LMG 5.56
3.JVPC
I would really like to see what Baba Kalyani does. Is he going to replicate the poor manufacturing practices of the OFB or innovate. Making the product better and delivering a world class product.

If Kalyani makes a good product out of the same INSAS design then OFB should be shown the middle finger and given an ultimatum. Either restructure to increase efficiency or shut down.

We keep on cursing the OFB but are clueless about how to turn this sloth bear into a tiger.

Let them design their own thing based on INSAS. Fully ambidextrous version of Excalibur that takes Stanag magazines for example.

 

[Johny_Baba]

"Belt Fed AK"

Do you guys realise that both Negev and FN M249 (or FN MINIMI) are practically exact same thing i.e. belt fed AK ?

Then there is also PK that is literally upside down AK and it was even designed by team led by Mikhail Kalashnikov himself (PK = Pulemyot Kalashnikova = Kalashnikov's Machine Gun)

So i don't think such "mod" to a normal AK is even required, rather you can get a dedicated dual-fed machine gun like M249 or Negev.

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

Is there any update on the carbine deal? And how many carbines does IA need 3.5 lakhs in total or 3.5 lakhs+93000(fast track)?

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

The RFI s released till now include:

Hence carbine requirement is : 93000 (FTP) + 3.5L

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

The RFI s released till now include:
View attachment 68728

Hence carbine requirement is : 93000 (FTP) + 3.5L

4.5 lakh CQB carbines,

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

4.5 lakh CQB carbines,

The frontline get the SIG 716, the troops behind will get the AK203, so who uses these carbines?

 

[FalconSlayers]

The frontline get the SIG 716, the troops behind will get the AK203, so who uses these carbines?

Maybe the ones who don’t face direct combat, Artillery, Signals etc.

 

[Killbot]

Is there any update on the carbine deal? And how many carbines does IA need 3.5 lakhs in total or 3.5 lakhs+93000(fast track)?

Latter. 93k+350k. Not including IAF and Navy requirements.

 

[Killbot]

Maybe the ones who don’t face direct combat, Artillery, Signals etc.

+Ghatak platoons, Para Air, Mechanized Infantry, Tank crews, field officers/NCOs, COIN guys (RR and AR), MPs, Military intel, Engineers, etc.
Signals won't get too many guns bro. It'll probably be AKs. Even Arty will probably get AKs. 6.5 lakh?? All of infantry and RR combined is around 4 lakh soldiers. There are 2 lakh artillerymen.

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

+Ghatak platoons, Para Air, Mechanized Infantry, Tank crews, field officers/NCOs, COIN guys (RR and AR), MPs, Military intel, Engineers, etc.
Signals won't get too many guns bro. It'll probably be AKs. Even Arty will probably get AKs. 6.5 lakh?? All of infantry and RR combined is around 4 lakh soldiers. There are 2 lakh artillerymen.

AR isn't under MOD, how will they get these?

 

[Killbot]

AR isn't under MOD, how will they get these?

True... I just thought they might have good use for some.

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

The RFI s released till now include:
View attachment 68728

Hence carbine requirement is : 93000 (FTP) + 3.5L

5.5 lakh 7.62x51mm, never heard of this, is there any news regarding this?

 

[Killbot]

5.5 lakh 7.62x51mm, never heard of this, is there any news regarding this?

There is such an RFI out, but it doesn't make sense, as that would make the no of guns more than total Indian Armed Forces strength.

 

[Unknowncommando 2]