INSAS Rifle, LMG & Carbine

[Kunal Biswas]

Once in service, you don`t need to change the barrel ever again unless it get damage by some external event ..

 

[abingdonboy]

'Know Your Army', an exhibition of arms and ammunition organised by Pimpri Chinchwad municipal corporation and the Indian Army at H A ground in Pimpri.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Glad to see improved 1B1 in mass usage ..

 

[ezsasa]

Glad to see improved 1B1 in mass usage ..

When was it officially introduced into infantry?

Or rather..

In which year the distribution en-mass start?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

My unit received it during 2013, I cannot say about the rest ..

I have mentioned quite a lot about it :

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/insas-rifle-lmg-carbine.43826/page-10
http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/insas-rifle-lmg-carbine.43826/page-86

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Don`t misidentify it for other black furniture 1B1 before 2013 ..

When was it officially introduced into infantry?

Or rather..

In which year the distribution en-mass start?

 

[Shaitan]

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[Kunal Biswas]

Published on Aug 18, 2017
The Ordnance Factory Board designed-produced 'Amogh' carbine was bested by the DRDO's MSMC carbine some years ago. Both are now developing the MSMC as the Joint Venture Protective Carbine (JVPC) for the Indian Army. But while the JVPC is still in trials, the 'Amogh' (resolute) is in limited series production having bagged orders from Indian police and paramilitary organisations.

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We want Amogh, No MSMC ..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Will i like to add, Excalibur and Amogh are both result of OFB R&D ..

 

[Pandora]

Published on Aug 18, 2017
The Ordnance Factory Board designed-produced 'Amogh' carbine was bested by the DRDO's MSMC carbine some years ago. Both are now developing the MSMC as the Joint Venture Protective Carbine (JVPC) for the Indian Army. But while the JVPC is still in trials, the 'Amogh' (resolute) is in limited series production having bagged orders from Indian police and paramilitary organisations.

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We want Amogh, No MSMC ..

JVPC looks more elegant ,so is the recoil.

 

[Kchontha]

Had ofb shortened Insas excalibur's 16 inch berrel to 14.5 inch one and shed some weight from the current empty weight to 2.9kg from the fatty hand guard section (for example), it would probably evolved into an excellent carbine cum assault rifle version of the insas rifle just like colt's M4. Handguard should also be replaced by more modern retractable and foldable one. Ofb/arde should be flexible and innovative in their design. One main advantage Excalibur has over the amogh or jvpc is that it is chambered by the same round as that of insas 1b1 (5.56x45mm) which negates the logistic burden of using different round by the end user. Both amogh and jvpc are chambered in 5.56x30mm minsas.

 

[Saumyasupraik]

Indeed, the AK47 shown above seems very similar to a very high quality milled receiver AK 47 made by Arsenal pictured below)....Good job ...Ordnance Factory Tiruchirapalli....

View attachment 18855

That's Arsenal's stamped receiver AK and indeed the OFT TAR (new variant) does seem to be an AR M1 and M1F41 copy.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

This was from 2009, Excalibur as well as Kalantak micro assault rifle ..

Kalantak was not adopted because the some people complained about high recoil, But the same people have no issues with Galil ace which was same size and has same recoil and saw operational use within SF,This forced 5.56 x 30mm round in the picture, Now when we have Amogh and its operational and MSMC cleared its trails during 2016.

But their is still 9mm carbine in service and people are busy preparing RFI for carbine tender which failed before.

Had ofb shortened Insas excalibur's 16 inch berrel to 14.5 inch one and shed some weight from the current empty weight to 2.9kg from the fatty hand guard section (for example), it would probably evolved into an excellent carbine cum assault rifle version of the insas rifle just like colt's M4. Handguard should also be replaced by more modern retractable and foldable one. Ofb/arde should be flexible and innovative in their design. One main advantage Excalibur has over the amogh or jvpc is that it is chambered by the same round as that of insas 1b1 (5.56x45mm) which negates the logistic burden of using different round by the end user. Both amogh and jvpc are chambered in 5.56x30mm minsas.

 

[Kchontha]

This was from 2009, Excalibur as well as Kalantak micro assault rifle ..

Kalantak was not adopted because the some people complained about high recoil, But the same people have no issues with Galil ace which was same size and has same recoil and saw operational use within SF ..

This forced 5.56 x 30mm round in the picture, Now when we have Amogh and its operational and MSMC cleared its trails during 2016, But their is still 9mm carbine in service and people are busy preparing RFI for carbine tender which failed before.

It seems like some people are experts in preparing unrealistic tender or changing the goalpost rather than procuring the needy for the men on the ground.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

The Ordnance Factory Board [OFB] of India is getting ready to supply its all-new new Sniper Rifle to an undisclosed customer ( CRPF ). It, recently, floated a couple of tenders seeking accessories for the rifle. One is a '3-12x50 Grade Telescope with Eye Relief & Mil Dot'. The other, a '9-13" Tilt Adjustment Smooth Leg Bipod'. It has expressed a requirement of 85 of each. Some time back, it had floated a related tender for suitable Rifle casing solution, possibly, for storage & transportation of the firearm. The OFB's Rifle Factory Ishapore is the lead organisation in the project.

The OFB built this, 7.62 mm bullet firing rifle, in response to a 2012 Indian Army-issued GSQR. It strikes a disconsonant note, when viewed alongside IA's recent requirement of a Sniper rifle firing more powerful 8.6 mm bullets. A flip-flop approach towards acquisition, helping no one.

Source : http://www.aame.in/2017/01/rifle-factory-ishapores-sniper-rifle.html

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Video shared by : @cobra commando

As in the video, It said 800ms with iron sight and 1000ms with scope.


@Johny_Baba

Yeah,Ishapore Rifles are quite famous in western gun markets.

Like Kunal Dada said once somewhere here,we should've converted these Ishapore 2A1s into bolt action sniper rifles,similar to those L42 Lee-Enfield Sniper Rifles which were used by SAS and other commonwealth armies.

Edit: Indeed OFB had produced a sniper variant of Ishapore 2A1,but it seems like many other guns made by OFB/DRDO it went in vain.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

ITBP at Ladak ..

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[Kunal Biswas]

ITBP at Ladak ..

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[Kchontha]

Defence ministry junks LMG procurement process due to single vendor situation.

the procurement plan for over 44,000 light machine guns (LMGs) for its humble foot soldiers in the infantry has been scrapped by the defence ministry.

This is the third such project, after the cases for new assault rifles and close-quarter battle carbines, to be junked over the last two years. This once again shows that often in race to acquire big weapon systems like tanks and howitzers, desperate need to equip soldiers with basic infantry weapons, bullet-proof jackets, webbing and ballistic helmets often fall by the wayside.

Sources said the defence ministry had “retracted” the tender or RFP (request for proposal) for the 7.62mm calibre LMGs on the ground that it had become a “single-vendor situation” with only the Israeli Weapon Industries (IWI) Negev(in picture) left in the fray after protracted field trials from December 2015 to February 2017.

The mega “Buy and Make” procurement plan involved an initial direct purchase of around 4,400 LMGs from a foreign armament company, followed by a tie-up with the Ordnance factory Board with transfer of technology for large-scale indigenous production. The entire project would have cost an estimated Rs 13,000 crore.

The dumping of the project comes after MoD late last year also scrapped tender issued in 2010 for 44,618 close-quarter battle carbines, in which too IWI had emerged as “resultant single-vendor” over Italian firm Beretta, amid allegations of irregularities and political intrigue.

Pic- The Negev NG7 which is the 7.62x51 chambered version LMG and is gun which was left out.

Source- TOI
Admin - WarHound

 

[Shaitan]

Source : http://www.aame.in/2017/01/rifle-factory-ishapores-sniper-rifle.html

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Video shared by : @cobra commando

As in the video, It said 800ms with iron sight and 1000ms with scope.

That thing is already in use?


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[Subham Show]

Can anyone tell what sight/scope is fitted to the Excalibur rifle in the picture

 

[Kunal Biswas]

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Aimpoint red dot sight for INSAS was first red dot to be mounted on INSAS back in 2006 ..

Can anyone tell what sight/scope is fitted to the Excalibur rifle in the picture