INSAS Rifle, LMG & Carbine

Bornubus

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@Bornubus if you are talking about this sight, then it is MRWS sight from IRDE,here are the spec:

Yes this it it. thanks

Meanwhile from BEL.


PN Sight for Insas and AKs with illuminated Red Cross reticule and automatic Brightness control features etc. Troops deployed on border regions are especially equipped with it.


@hammer head

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And if not from Israeli ToT then similar one on Israeli Forces

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Shaitan

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I am confused, is that a AK103 clone, or license production? Why would they stamp it 'AK103' if it was a clone?
 

Kunal Biswas

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There is being a competition going on between OFB factories to provide AK47 equivalent rifles to local police force and other paramilitary groups, You have Rifle Factory Ishapore with Ghatak, Ordnance Factory Trichy with TAR and probably Gun Factory Kanpur with AK-103 licensed version ( This could be a dummy they presented there directly from Russians ) .

I don`t have depth details, But it seems their have been some changes in last few years ..

I am confused, is that a AK103 clone, or license production? Why would they stamp it 'AK103' if it was a clone?
 

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Let's say Prasun was right regarding the 7.62x51 Ghaatak issue....We've all seen pics of the older Trichy AR (based on SLR but chambered for 7.62x39)...does anyone else here wonder why OFB factories have this overbearing need to reinvent the wheel?



At one hand we're seeing a 7.62x51 SLR model being converted for x39 Kalashnikov. At the other hand, we're seeing an x39 AK (Ghaatak) being converted for x51 Nato.

DA FAQ?? Why not just stick with SLR platform for all x51 Nato caliber requirements and stick with the AK platform for all x39 Kalashnikov requirements? Why this visibly stupid, mis-matched approach?

If anyone here can throw some light on this situation, kindly do so and enlighten me. Because the thinking of OFB seems to be clearly beyond my comprehension.

@Kunal Biswas @ghost
 

Johny_Baba

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Let's say Prasun was right regarding the 7.62x51 Ghaatak issue....We've all seen pics of the older Trichy AR (based on SLR but chambered for 7.62x39)...does anyone else here wonder why OFB factories have this overbearing need to reinvent the wheel?



At one hand we're seeing a 7.62x51 SLR model being converted for x39 Kalashnikov. At the other hand, we're seeing an x39 AK (Ghaatak) being converted for x51 Nato.

DA FAQ?? Why not just stick with SLR platform for all x51 Nato caliber requirements and stick with the AK platform for all x39 Kalashnikov requirements? Why this visibly stupid, mis-matched approach?

If anyone here can throw some light on this situation, kindly do so and enlighten me. Because the thinking of OFB seems to be clearly beyond my comprehension.

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It's a good thing,actually.This way,one can understand both advantage and limitation of a particular weapon and its design.

I highly recommend you to read this book if you can get it. (Hint : It is available on Torrents :wink:)


This books will give you a perspective how Americans did various experiments with their AR-15/M16.

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I am extremely noob in arms and amunation, can you tell me how is 7.62mmx51mm and 7.62mmx39mm different,
I know the dimensions but i want to know there range and by how much bullet drop after traveling some distance.
Penetration in human flesh.
Energy of impact.
Cost.
Purpose.


The bottom one is 7.62x51mm NATO and the upper one 7.62x39mm. You can tell from the larger and different magazine well sizes.
 

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Let's say Prasun was right regarding the 7.62x51 Ghaatak issue....We've all seen pics of the older Trichy AR (based on SLR but chambered for 7.62x39)...does anyone else here wonder why OFB factories have this overbearing need to reinvent the wheel?



At one hand we're seeing a 7.62x51 SLR model being converted for x39 Kalashnikov. At the other hand, we're seeing an x39 AK (Ghaatak) being converted for x51 Nato.

DA FAQ?? Why not just stick with SLR platform for all x51 Nato caliber requirements and stick with the AK platform for all x39 Kalashnikov requirements? Why this visibly stupid, mis-matched approach?

If anyone here can throw some light on this situation, kindly do so and enlighten me. Because the thinking of OFB seems to be clearly beyond my comprehension.

@Kunal Biswas @ghost
Fist of all ,I apologize for pointing out the ak 103 as the new 7.62x51mm rifle,it seems that it is not.Now, I am still not sure what is going on,I am trying to get hold of things.

My assumption (pure speculation) :

1 Some time back I have posted that a number of 7.62x39mm rifles have been imported into India,pointing to some trials going on.I assume that army want new 7.62x39mm rifle for RR ,Kalashnikov concern have decided to offer AK 103 for it, in collaboration with OFB.This explain AK 103 in 7.62x39mm.

If we assume for a second that this is right, then I wonder what about mciws rifle ,that is being claimed to pass all the trials and does come in 7.62x39mm.

2 Prasun sengupta have been saying that the new 7.62x51mm rifle is based on ghatak platform ( ak ),but the 7.62x51mm rifle put on display by the OFB is clearly Insas 1c chambered in 7.62x51mm,only visible change being a longer top rail than the 5.56mm version .The lower indent of receiver above trigger is similar to insas (which was there due to use of FNC trigger on ak receiver design ),hence we can conclude that even the trigger group is same.This makes it clear that the new rifle is based on insas or insas 1c chambered in 7.62nato.

I wonder if this is the case ,then what about all type of rumours going around of the new rifle being a AK derivative.

3 I completely agree with you on the new 7.62x51mm rifle being based on SLR,that seems the natural way to go but please do note that the people involved here are DRDO and OFB (they have a reputation to maintain).

4 I am also disappointed in the plethora of defence journalist we have,who do not have any idea of the things going on and does not even seem to be interested other than debating F16 vs Gripen.

5 Regarding .308 ak please watch this:

 

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Guys, Sengupta wasn't right this time. The rifle on display was a Mk1C in 7.62mm NATO with an AK-103. It was reported that the AK-103 was licensed to OFB.
 

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You have Ghatak, Trichy and AK-103 clone from different factories who are individually trying to sell their version to various forces and make profit individually, They is unusually rivalry between these small arm factories ..

But i wonder, Why they all going for 7.62X39mm and exclusively AK look alike firearms, To me its seems forces want AK over FAL design this forced Tirchy to re-design its rifle and make another clone of AK ..

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Btw, All are INSAS as INSAS literary means Indian Small Arm Systems ..
 

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Guys, Sengupta wasn't right this time. The rifle on display was a Mk1C in 7.62mm NATO with an AK-103. It was reported that the AK-103 was licensed to OFB.
What Sengupta said was that OFB was developing a 7.62Nato variant of the Ghaatak. This was said in February and we haven't seen it till now. However we can't say for sure that this Ghaatak derivative would be the only 7.62Nato rifle to be developed by OFB.

I'm thinking just like in the 7.62x39mm requirement (where various factories developed various solutions like RFI with Ghaatak, OFT with Trichy AR & SAFK with this AK-103) in the 7.62x51mm requirement as well there will be multiple models on offer.

This INSAS-1C might be just one of them. The following info was posted on the FB page of INDRA Networks (who originally posted these images) -

" GHAATAK RIFLE UPDATE

We were in the attendance of the recently held International Police and Homeland Security Expo 2017, New Delhi. There, we interacted with the Ordnance Factory Board's representatives, and found that -

1) The army has rejected the Ghaatak Rifle because it chambers 7.62×39 mm bullets whereas according to Army's new requirements, they're looking for rifles which can fire 7.62×51 mm bullets.

2) To meet the demands of the army, they have developed a new rifle but haven't named it yet (we will be posting the pictures of that rifle too) which is indeed a direct derivative of AK 103 with slight modifications.

3) The OFB is now looking for the potential buyers as some state police forces and central armed police forces have shown interest in Ghaatak.

4) A total of 400 Rifles have been issued. "

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All I can say now is...let's just wait and see.
 

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This is the part where slight mistake was done in confusion, I am part of INDRA networks to talk about it ..

2) To meet the demands of the army, they have developed a new rifle but haven't named it yet (we will be posting the pictures of that rifle too) which is indeed a direct derivative of AK 103 with slight modifications.
 

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This is the part where slight mistake was done in confusion, I am part of INDRA networks to talk about it ..
So you mean to say there is in fact no Ghaatak/AK-derived x51 Nato rifle in development by OFB? Or that we don't know for sure yet?
 

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As far as i know, There is no such development at the moment ..

It may happen in future in some factory but not in immediate future ..

Though MK1C is essentially a modern 1B1 which is AK influenced ..
 

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As far as i know, There is no such development at the moment ..

It may happen in future in some factory but not in immediate future ..
Are there any other in-development OFB x51 Nato designs you are aware of other than the INSAS-1C shown above?
 

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No, I have no knowledge about any such development except that MICWS could also feature 7.62x51mm.
 

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I am extremely noob in arms and amunation, can you tell me how is 7.62mmx51mm and 7.62mmx39mm different,
I know the dimensions but i want to know there range and by how much bullet drop after traveling some distance.
Penetration in human flesh.
Energy of impact.
Cost.
Purpose.
Its quiet simple actually. 7.62 NATO or 7.62x51 mm case is longer then 7.62 AK or 7.62x39 mm round. Now a bigger case contains more gunpowder means it is a more powerful round which in turn makes it more accurate at longer range and which makes it much more penetrable at any given range in compare to 7.62 AK.
 

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