INSAS Rifle, LMG & Carbine

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Why are we naming multiple rifles as Ghatak ?
MCIWS Ghatak , this AK is also Ghatak .
Don't know if any other equipment is also Ghatak ....

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If you have no clue what you are watching, Its better ask then making cheap shots ..
जुगाड़ is not a cheap word !
And not I ment something like that .
Its a type of talent of making something from nowhere .......




Ok , now I am asking , what am I watching at ? Please tell .

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Lol guys thats a DAYLIGHT TELESCOPIC SIGHT for INSAS which have magnification of 2.5x, that's ain't a jugaad but a developed sight for the riffles, though it look weird cause we have seen sights of that size on snipers and AR's have compact cool looking sights and LMG have have ACOG's (hollywood stuff) but thats the reality and thats Indian Army we have our own standards, our own tactics and our own style of course.

I haven't seen through that sight but asked someone who did that he told me its good, we should not judge the utility of any military material by its appearance by sitting on our pc's..
 

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we are developing any Sniper rifle ??
We have developed Vidhwansak AMR (Anti Material Riffle) but the thing is our tactics is not compatible with sniper warfare hence we dont give much exposure to snipers :)
 

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Lol guys thats a DAYLIGHT TELESCOPIC SIGHT for INSAS which have magnification of 2.5x, that's ain't a jugaad but a developed sight for the riffles, though it look weird cause we have seen sights of that size on snipers and AR's have compact cool looking sights and LMG have have ACOG's (hollywood stuff) but thats the reality and thats Indian Army we have our own standards, our own tactics and our own style of course.

I haven't seen through that sight but asked someone who did that he told me its good, we should not judge the utility of any military material by its appearance by sitting on our pc's..
Well i have seen throught that sight and its good, best part, one for INSAS rifle, it has to reticle build into it. You can shoot near and far without adjustment. Same is for INSAS LMG.
 

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If I read the press report right, days of INSAS, Excaliber are over. Indian Army is switching back to 7.62 mode and dumping 5.56. What a pity!

Is nobody looking over Indian Army and the decisions they make and change them at will. Until about a year back, all eyes were fixed on multicaliber rifle. Then they liked the Excaliber, although it may not look sexy like its western counterparts, yet it never failed hence a big plus for it. By then Indian Army head honchos had decided that time for 5.56 caliber is over, they would go for 7.62. The latter kills but the former wounds. It is the wounding logic and the number of buddies required to take care of him during fight had persuaded the Indian army go for 5.56 in 1991. Now that decision is over turned.

Mad General's in the Indian Army made the initial decision of 5.56 in 1991 and forced the tax payers to shell out $3 billion in 1991 dollars to replace a perfectly functional FAL rifle which is 7.62 and fires three round bursts, hence conserves ammunition. They argued that the range of 5.56 is inferior but a soldier would carry 20% more ammunition as it is lighter. All humbug - India Army was following the glossy brochures of M-16 rifle which Americans spoke very highly, hence adopted 5.56 caliber as standard rifle. With this the Indian made INSAS was born. Although, this had less operational troubles than the M-16 rifle had in Vietnam for 15 years, yet the nay sayers (all encouged by retired army officers) kept on harping on troubles and troubles and what not. These troubles were minor as opposed to the M-16 troubles but young boys and Presstitutes were hired by them, who had not seen the business end of the rifle yet wrote bad opinions about INSAS in volumes. The forgoing had direct impact on soldiers morale and public opinion about this big bad rifle. They were setting the stage for imports.

Excaliber - not so sexy as others in its class, is grand daddy of all rifles in the market of this type, hence the army procurement bureaucracy could not let this rifle to become standard. Hence for them there was only one way to push for imports I.e. To dump 5.56 caliber and switch back to 7.62.

Shame on them - they would not switch back to FAL, which India has these in quantities, they want a very pretty looking imported rifle with a different name.

Now tax payers are stuck with $6 billion bill for the fancy foolishness of the Indian Army cadres. So far no general has been fired for leading the tax payers the garden path. They should not only be fired but court martialled. Any argument of innocence or lack of knowledge should be taken out of their defence argument.

If the generals get away this time then they would keep on repeating it and hold the country to ransom, time and again.

Wake up Modi/Parikar, go after this bad decision making and put an end to it.
 

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Please go through last few pages for better understanding ..

Also do see any RFI or official document stating same as some media outlets ..

If I read the press report right, days of INSAS, Excaliber are over. Indian Army is switching back to 7.62 mode and dumping 5.56. What a pity!

Is nobody looking over Indian Army and the decisions they make and change them at will. Until about a year back, all eyes were fixed on multicaliber rifle. Then they liked the Excaliber, although it may not look sexy like its western counterparts, yet it never failed hence a big plus for it. By then Indian Army head honchos had decided that time for 5.56 caliber is over, they would go for 7.62. The latter kills but the former wounds. It is the wounding logic and the number of buddies required to take care of him during fight had persuaded the Indian army go for 5.56 in 1991. Now that decision is over turned.

Mad General's in the Indian Army made the initial decision of 5.56 in 1991 and forced the tax payers to shell out $3 billion in 1991 dollars to replace a perfectly functional FAL rifle which is 7.62 and fires three round bursts, hence conserves ammunition. They argued that the range of 5.56 is inferior but a soldier would carry 20% more ammunition as it is lighter. All humbug - India Army was following the glossy brochures of M-16 rifle which Americans spoke very highly, hence adopted 5.56 caliber as standard rifle. With this the Indian made INSAS was born. Although, this had less operational troubles than the M-16 rifle had in Vietnam for 15 years, yet the nay sayers (all encouged by retired army officers) kept on harping on troubles and troubles and what not. These troubles were minor as opposed to the M-16 troubles but young boys and Presstitutes were hired by them, who had not seen the business end of the rifle yet wrote bad opinions about INSAS in volumes. The forgoing had direct impact on soldiers morale and public opinion about this big bad rifle. They were setting the stage for imports.

Excaliber - not so sexy as others in its class, is grand daddy of all rifles in the market of this type, hence the army procurement bureaucracy could not let this rifle to become standard. Hence for them there was only one way to push for imports I.e. To dump 5.56 caliber and switch back to 7.62.

Shame on them - they would not switch back to FAL, which India has these in quantities, they want a very pretty looking imported rifle with a different name.

Now tax payers are stuck with $6 billion bill for the fancy foolishness of the Indian Army cadres. So far no general has been fired for leading the tax payers the garden path. They should not only be fired but court martialled. Any argument of innocence or lack of knowledge should be taken out of their defence argument.

If the generals get away this time then they would keep on repeating it and hold the country to ransom, time and again.

Wake up Modi/Parikar, go after this bad decision making and put an end to it.
 

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Everything including the rifle is design as per requirement set by Indian Army.

The scope is design and mount such a way that one can use his Iron sight without taking off the scope, This is not a improvised solution ( jugaad ) but innovative solution ..


Viewing with optical scope / red dot on mount ..

Ability to use iron sight while optics still on mount..

He can quickly turn his gun towards enemy at very close range or keep using his iron sight in case optics get damage and keep shooting accurate fire towards enemy..

In heat of combat this innovation prevent solider from wasting valuable time ..

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INSAS LMG with its optics on mount..

Cheek raisers are available as these are high mounts.
The mount is standard for all available red dot ( Exception for carl zess red dot ) , PNS and magnifying optics ..

Ok , now I am asking , what am I watching at ? Please tell .
I haven't seen through that sight but asked someone who did that he told me its good, we should not judge the utility of any military material by its appearance by sitting on our pc's..
 

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Those video of INSAS LMG shooting.
Got it.
That was an awesome footage, but i am amazed instead of the presence of Army jawans they are still shooting the LMG on sitting position i mean thats the most inappropriate position to shoot an LMG and not using the bi-pod..
They could be army jawans, BSF jawans, CRPF, anything.

BTW, looks like they are at a shooting range.

Moreover, there is no hard and fast rule that you have to shoot from a prone position. The prone position allows for better aiming. In India, they stress on the philosophy of "one bullet one enemy." This has its advantages. During 1962 India-PRC War, there was one Gurkha soldier who was armed with a Bren LMG, but instead of using fully-automatic mode, he used it in single shot mode, and took down a whole bunch of PLA troops, before he was shot dead. The PLA troops were so impressed with his aiming skills, that they left a bouquet of flowers where he was killed in his honour. On the other hand, in many forces, they have the opposite doctrine. The Soviet Army for example stressed on tying down the enemy with massive not-so-accurate firepower, while they used artillery, mortars, or UBGL to pummel them.

BTW, when I go to the shooting range, sometimes I shoot fully automatic SMG, standing. In such cases, I am usually accompanied by a range officer, who is typically a former US soldier. This is the typical safety policy at shooting ranges.

P.S.: There is nothing unusual about shooting from sitting or even standing position, and you can do it in presence of a soldier, current or former. :)
 

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Can anyone tell , what this up and down arrows means , and there use ?


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Specs of the optical scope used on 1B1 as well as LMG ========== >>




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For Rifle
Scope quality and ruggedness is very good but, Personally always felt that adding illuminating reticle should have edge when shooting at night, This can be done given it get some electronic input ..

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For adjusting brightness of reticle ..

7.62X51 nato for sniper rifle ..

Well i have seen throught that sight and its good, best part, one for INSAS rifle, it has to reticle build into it. You can shoot near and far without adjustment. Same is for INSAS LMG.
Lol guys thats a DAYLIGHT TELESCOPIC SIGHT for INSAS which have magnification of 2.5x, .
7.62mm means 51 or 54
30 char 30 char 30 char
Probably used for zeroing.............
Can anyone tell , what this up and down arrows means , and there use ?

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