INSAS Rifle, LMG & Carbine

[pmaitra]

That's Trichy's model.
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Another ill-informed ill-researched magazine article.

If this is "Ghatak," then OFB site would say so.

Link: http://ofb.gov.in/products/data/weapons/wsc/21.htm

This rifle is a clone of the AKM, and has been in production for more than a decade. It is called "Assault Rifle 7.62 mm."

 

[Shadow]

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[armyofhind]

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Maroon Berets? Which unit is this?

 

[Shadow]

Maroon Berets? Which unit is this?

Sikkim police personnel with Excalibur Assault Rifles.

 

[armyofhind]

Sikkim police personnel with Excalibur Assault Rifles.

Why the Maroon Berets if they're not airborne qualified?

 

[Shaitan]

Another ill-informed ill-researched magazine article.

If this is "Ghatak," then OFB site would say so.

Link: http://ofb.gov.in/products/data/weapons/wsc/21.htm

This rifle is a clone of the AKM, and has been in production for more than a decade. It is called "Assault Rifle 7.62 mm."

That is Ghatak. The AK7 wasnt produced, till it's recent avatar, Ghatak. That is an official OFB article.

Here's the rifle in OFB stand, poster mentions, Ghaatak naming as well.

 

[rishivashista13]

Is there any information about , how Excalibur is performing in different conditions with different units ?

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[Indx TechStyle]

IDN TAKE: The Deadly Ghatak 7.62x39mm Assault Rifle

by Koustav K

A modern, reliable assault rifle is the very basic and primary weapon of an infantry soldier posted either on the border or deployed for counter militancy missions in the hinterland. As per the Army’s experience, the 5.56mm rifle is considered better for conventional war since it generally injures an enemy soldier, which ties down at least two of his colleagues to carry him as well as hits general morale in the opposing force. The 7.62mm rifle is preferred for counter-insurgency since the aim is to kill a terrorist at the first instance before he can unleash mayhem.

To fulfil the requirement, OFB took an initiative for 7.62mm assault rifle and it succeeded in it. Three ordnance factories tried to develop their own variants. Of the three prototypes, the one developed by Rifle Factory Ishapore (RFI) cleared all preliminary tests.

Rifle Factory Ishapore has a long history of developing and making rifles. During the World Wars, this factory produced .303 bolt-action rifles for the Allied forces. After the 1962 Sino-India conflict, the factory developed and built the 7.62mm self-loading semi-automatic rifle, also known as the Ishapore Rifle. This became the mainstay for the Indian security forces for several decades. In the 90's, the factory started manufacturing the 5.56mm INSAS rifles that are still the primary personal weapon of the Indian infantryman.

Indigenously developed Ghatak assault rifle has all the features of state-of- the-art assault rifle. The weapon is ideal for counter-insurgency using 7.62 X 39 mm ammunition. It is robust enough to withstand rough usage. It has all the features and more advanced in every aspect compared to AK-47. It has high accuracy and reliability. It is designed to replace the existing aging AK-47 assault rifles used by the Indian armed forces. It’s a milestone in OFB efforts towards self-reliance in small arms production in India.

Ghatak Assault rifle is a gas operated weapon with rotating bolt locking system. It fires the 7.62×39mm cartridge with a muzzle velocity of 670 m/s. Without magazine, the rifle weighs 3.08 kg and length is 890mm. It can hold 30 rounds in its polycarbonate magazine which can be fired in a Single shot or in automatic mode with a firing rate of 600 rounds per minute. The effective firing range is 400m. The foresight is pillar type and the rear sight is ‘U’ notched, Graduated and Ramp type (100-800). It is provided with mechanical and applied safety. The 414mm barrel of the weapon is Chromium plated for longer life. A light weight modular handguard with detachable Picatinny rail on upside and down and slot rail sections in sides where more rails can be added as per need.

The trial of Ghatak assault rifle was conducted by the MHA constituted a board of officers, comprising of high-level officials from the BSF, CRPF, ITBP, Assam Rifles and SSB in at Rifle Factory Ishapore. The MHA team conducted an exhaustive firing trial subject to various tests like Drop test, Mud test, Water Immersion test etc. A testing of 800 rounds was fired from two rifles each without stoppage.

According to Ministry of defence, (MOD) Press Release Ghatak assault rifle (7.62X39mm) developed by Rifle Factory Ishapore (RFI) has been cleared by Paramilitary forces. ‘Ghatak’ assault rifle has met all the technical parameters of General Staff Qualitative Requirements (GSQRs) issued by Paramilitary forces which fall under Ministry of Home affairs. Final User trails of ‘Ghatak’ assault rifle (AR) was found satisfactory by Paramilitary forces and Ministry of Home affairs likely will place first batch order of 3000 rifles with Rifle Factory Ishapore (RFI) soon. It is also has been evaluated by Indian Army for its Ghatak Commando forces which has requirements for new 7.62mm Assault rifles.

Koustav K is an ardent fan of IDN and a keen defense enthusiast. This piece on the GHATAK Assault Rifle was written exclusively for IDN. Views expressed are his own.
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[pmaitra]

That is Ghatak. The AK7 wasnt produced, till it's recent avatar, Ghatak. That is an official OFB article.

Here's the rifle in OFB stand, poster mentions, Ghaatak naming as well.

Absolutely false. If it is official OFB literature, then it is a factual error they have made.

I have had an OFB manufactured AKM clone in my hands more than 10 years ago (probably 15). No "Ghatak" existed then.

 

[Shaitan]

Absolutely false. If it is official OFB literature, then it is a factual error they have made.

I have had an OFB manufactured AKM clone in my hands more than 10 years ago (probably 15). No "Ghatak" existed then.

It didnt exist then, it does now. It's a new avatar of an older model that never went into mass production. The poster is there to see in recent OFB stands. No error.

 

[sydsnyper]

That's not the Trichy.

This is Trichy !!!

I think the tirchy's model is in use already with some SWAT teams .

I got this photo somewhere .

Its muzzle break is different from that of tirchy's model .
Not confirmed if it is Indian made or not .


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[Ved]

So Confusing

Excaliber 1A - Was supposed to get inducted as replacement of INSAS (all variants) in IA. Trials were being conducted by IA. The GSQR being 5.56*45. Now being preferred by various state police and other central forces. IA i believe now says it no longer requires it. Its new requirement is 7.62*51 AR.

Ghatak- Originally was supposed to be provided to Ghatak platoons in IA and Para. That too being procured by various state police and central forces. This is i believe is in 7.62*39.

Original tender of MCIWS scrapped which was for 5.56*45 config. In the mean time state police and central para military has started equipping itself with Ex-Caliber and Ghatak. What was a requirement of IA is now satisfying the needs of Para military and state Police !!!

Now IA wants a new tender for 7.62*51 .

I mean there is no logic behind the above saga. To describe it as pathetic is an under statement.

 

[pmaitra]

It didnt exist then, it does now. It's a new avatar of an older model that never went into mass production. The poster is there to see in recent OFB stands. No error.

The AK7 is an AKM clone. It was chambered in 7.62.

It existed then, and it exists now.

The only thing new is the word "Ghatak."

 

[harsh]

This is so confusing

plz give pics of trichy and Ishapore rifles first
and please give links to support your comments.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Quoting from other thread for same purpose >>

Me hold OFB made Black AK7 back in 2007, The Rifle was issued to 9th para and i had the opportunity to take a pic with it as it was very unique rifle in those days..

This Rifle is also Unique and not same as Bulgarian One, It had Gas regulator at front over gas tube, This was not in any other AK even today..

OFB removed it later, Since then OFB made lots of modifications on this Rifle, You cannot distinguished them unless you hold them and look for the markings..

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The same Rifle is again modified and much of it now 1B1 internally, As Kalashnikov sued OFB once for copying his design, It came back as Ghatak ..

Absolutely false. If it is official OFB literature, then it is a factual error they have made.

I have had an OFB manufactured AKM clone in my hands more than 10 years ago (probably 15). No "Ghatak" existed then.

It didnt exist then, it does now. It's a new avatar of an older model that never went into mass production. The poster is there to see in recent OFB stands. No error.

The AK7 is an AKM clone. It was chambered in 7.62.

It existed then, and it exists now.

The only thing new is the word "Ghatak."

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Its not at all confusing, Give a read to this thread and post replies with respect to RFI for 7.62x51mm there

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/marine-assault-rifle-of-7-62-x-51mm-caliber-ia-rfi.76859/

So Confusing

Excaliber 1A - Was supposed to get inducted as replacement of INSAS (all variants) in IA. Trials were being conducted by IA. The GSQR being 5.56*45. Now being preferred by various state police and other central forces. IA i believe now says it no longer requires it. Its new requirement is 7.62*51 AR.

Ghatak- Originally was supposed to be provided to Ghatak platoons in IA and Para. That too being procured by various state police and central forces. This is i believe is in 7.62*39.

Original tender of MCIWS scrapped which was for 5.56*45 config. In the mean time state police and central para military has started equipping itself with Ex-Caliber and Ghatak. What was a requirement of IA is now satisfying the needs of Para military and state Police !!!

Now IA wants a new tender for 7.62*51 .

I mean there is no logic behind the above saga. To describe it as pathetic is an under statement.

 

[pmaitra]

Quoting from other thread for same purpose >>

Me hold OFB made Black AK7 back in 2007, The Rifle was issued to 9th para and i had the opportunity to take a pic with it as it was very unique rifle in those days..

This Rifle is also Unique and not same as Bulgarian One, It had Gas regulator at front over gas tube, This was not in any other AK even today..

OFB removed it later, Since then OFB made lots of modifications on this Rifle, You cannot distinguished them unless you hold them and look for the markings..

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The same Rifle is again modified and much of it now 1B1 internally, As Kalashnikov sued OFB once for copying his design, It came back as Ghatak ..

==================

Its not at all confusing, Give a read to this thread and post replies with respect to RFI for 7.62x51mm there

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/marine-assault-rifle-of-7-62-x-51mm-caliber-ia-rfi.76859/

You are correct Kunal. The new modifications include the gas regulator and also they have a new muzzle brake. It is also true that India was sued by Kalashnikov.

I was referring to the rifle below.

This is the same rifle I had in my hand years ago, and the name "Ghatak" was not used then. Now, they have a publication with this rifle marked as "Ghatak." Note, there is no gas regulator in the front. It is obvious this is an error in the part of whoever prepared the publication.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Not exactly the same rifle but still its the same rifle, It is different from AK7 as AK7 was complete clone of AKM. After the sue, The rifle kept flowing into forces without much publicity on purpose, The rifle had many variants with various modifications, The final avatar of original AK7 is Ghatak now, Which is more a 1B1 under AKM skin and OFB can legally produce and export to friendly nations under Gov to Gov sale ..

I was referring to the rifle below.

This is the same rifle I had in my hand years ago, and the name "Ghatak" was not used then. Now, they have a publication with this rifle marked as "Ghatak." Note, there is no gas regulator in the front. It is obvious this is an error in the part of whoever prepared the publication.

 

[Shaitan]

The AK7 is an AKM clone. It was chambered in 7.62.

It existed then, and it exists now.

The only thing new is the word "Ghatak."

That's what I was saying this whole time. It's just new avatar of an older model, a rebranding. Simple. There is no error in any of the many OFB stands, or offical manuals of it being called, "Ghaatak".

 

[pmaitra]

That's what I was saying this whole time. It's just new avatar of an older model, a rebranding. Simple. There is no error in any of the many OFB stands, or offical manuals of it being called, "Ghaatak".

Ok, one final time. They are calling this rifle below the Ghatak. Therein lies the error.

Ghatak has a gas regulator. Please read the previous posts again. To quote Kunal, "The final avatar of original AK7 is Ghatak now."

 

[Shaitan]

Ok, one final time. They are calling this rifle below the Ghatak. Therein lies the error.

Ghatak has a gas regulator. Please read the previous posts again. To quote Kunal, "The final avatar of original AK7 is Ghatak now."

Reread my posts. I said more or less the same thing. The P-Rails, Amogh carbine grip, etc. didnt exist in any of the older designs, but the more current Ghatak. Which the above is.