INS Vishal (IAC- II) Aircraft Carrier - Flattop or Ski Jump

[Corvus Splendens]

Sh00kla jee is the source
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Lovely. This time don't let Russians anywhere near the project.

Is it CATOBAR powered or STOVOL? I would go for CATOBAR steam powered in any case. Forget that EMALs. Not worth the cost right now.

EMALS will only delay the project. Capacitor research will be expensive. And seeing how GoI doesn't want US involvement in our ships anymore, tech sharing won't happen. Steam catapults would be better.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Lovely. This time don't let Russians anywhere near the project.


EMALS will only delay the project. Capacitor research will be expensive. And seeing how GoI doesn't want US involvement in our ships anymore, tech sharing won't happen. Steam catapults would be better.

Steam catapults should be fine, EMALS is complex and will take lots of time.

 

[karn]

Avoiding US components but using British engines .. I'm confused..
Perhaps it's to avoid US senate shenanigans. There are more steps involved with them getting the UK to block supplies vs doing it themselves.

 

[Tshering22]

Avoiding US components but using British engines .. I'm confused..
Perhaps it's to avoid US Senate shenanigans. There are more steps involved with them getting the UK to block supplies vs doing it themselves.

It's a message to the US while keeping the UK on the leash and interested. There are a few technologies that the UK still leads and if we can get it out of them, then all the more better. The cooperation window with the UK is narrow. Still, their business elites relish selling stuff to us as it keeps their Aston Martins and fancy bungalows in the English countryside chugging.

I say we start working more with Damaad ji and Co to ensure more tech flows into India until we don't need the American ecosystem.

 

[blackleaf]

Poor play, the responsibility to prove your statement lies with you.
The minimum engagement range with good pk is 1km. It would be good if you use correct figures.
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The old poster for MRSAM
I won't always play along this nicely, be responsible next time.

The MRSAM has a similar weight and range to the ESSM. Why aren't they being quad packed?

Also that 70km range is a bit low. We really need the ER version with the 150 km range version.

Only having 32 MRSAMs per ship is a massive concern. I could understand if it were analogous to the Aster30 (and even the British can afford 48 of those per ship) but from these specs it seems closer to the ESSM.

 

[Adm Kenobi]

The MRSAM has a similar weight and range to the ESSM. Why aren't they being quad packed?

I don't know the exact reason for this but integrating a hot launch missile (like MRSAM) into a CCL complex (like UVLM) is not easy, multi-packing is harder.

Also that 70km range is a bit low. We really need the ER version with the 150 km range version.

The PG-LRSAM being developed by DRDO is for both IAF and IN.

Only having 32 MRSAMs per ship is a massive concern. I could understand if it were analogous to the Aster30 (and even the British can afford 48 of those per ship) but from these specs it seems closer to the ESSM.

Yes, it is concerning, VLSRSAM will lighten the saturation load a bit but it will still be difficult for these ships to target an aircraft or a missile at long range, hopefully the MRSAM complex will be replaced going forward.

 

[archie]

Sh00kla jee is the source
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QE2 and Princess of Wales both suffered from Engine malfunctions as per news reports !? Is RR MT 30 that reliable?

 

[Tshering22]

QE2 and Princess of Wales both suffered from Engine malfunctions as per news reports !? Is RR MT 30 that reliable?

RR seems to be pretty good at what they do. Considering that this is the cutting-edge in their engine technology, it would be safe to assume some teething issues. But it is better than having more GE engines. We already have a hotchpotch of gas turbine engines for our warships:

- MTU engines for the Shishumar and Kalvari class submarines
- Zorya Mashproekt engines for Indian and Russian-made vessels
- GE engines for Vikrant carrier

The Navy has only woken up after the Ukraine War started since Zorya Mashproekt is struggling to send spares and maintain the delivery pace for the engines that they already supplied.

RR would not be a game-changer but it would add more complications for the US to block. More paperwork = more time for us to push for our domestic engines.

 

[no smoking]

QE2 and Princess of Wales both suffered from Engine malfunctions as per news reports !? Is RR MT 30 that reliable?

The engine has no problem.
It was the gear box and other sub-system had the problem (quality issue not design)

 

[FalconSlayers]

 

[swapcv]

Funny framing from IDRW, usually put in papers means to resign.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Ignore October date in link (article has been updated two days ago for IAC-II).
Indian Navy Proposes 2nd Aircraft Carrier To Bolster Self-Reliance In Defence (DD News)

In a move to achieve self-sufficiency in defence capabilities, the Indian Navy has submitted a significant proposal to the Defence Ministry for the construction of its second aircraft carrier. The Cochin Shipyard Limited in Kerala is slated to undertake this project. This initiative, seen as one of the flagship programs under Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s “Aatmanirbharta” (self-reliance) campaign in the defence sector, is set for discussion within the Defence Ministry. Officials highlight that this program will not only bolster India’s defence but also generate numerous employment opportunities through the Cochin Shipyard Limited in Kerala.

To maintain a carrier presence on both the east and west coasts, the Indian Navy has been advocating for three aircraft carriers, with one being in refit at any given time. This strategic move aligns the Indian Navy with other naval forces in the Indo-Pacific region. Additionally, the Indian Navy is set to acquire 26 new Rafale fighter aircraft for the INS Vikrant. The Indian Navy has assured the government that it will achieve self-reliance by 2047.

Notably, the first indigenous aircraft carrier, INS Vikrant, was commissioned by Prime Minister Modi in Kochi in September 2022, drawing praise for the Cochin Shipyard Limited’s expertise in constructing large vessels.

Admiral R. Hari Kumar recently announced that INS Vikrant, the domestically manufactured aircraft carrier, will be stationed in Visakhapatnam. Preparations are underway to make it fully operational by November 2023, with significant milestones such as night-time landings of Indian Navy Mig-29K fighter jets on the INS Vikrant, marking important progress toward the warship’s full operational readiness by year-end.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

3rd Aircraft Carrier is Official Now - Alpha Defense

• Proposal already submitted to MoD.
• Approved by Defense Procurement Board already.
• DAC approval pending.
• Most likely will be a second ski jump carrier INS Vikrant and not a nuclear flattop like INS Vishal was planned earlier. (Tonnage of 50k tonnes like INS Vikramditya or 70k tonnes like Queen Elizabeth?).

 

[FalconSlayers]

3rd Aircraft Carrier is Official Now - Alpha Defense

• Proposal already submitted to MoD.
• Approved by Defense Procurement Board already.
• DAC approval pending.
• Most likely will be a second ski jump carrier INS Vikrant and not a nuclear flattop like INS Vishal was planned earlier. (Tonnage of 50k tonnes like INS Vikramditya or 70k tonnes like Queen Elizabeth?).

Repeat order for Vikrant class

 

[HariPrasad-1]

When this one was under construction, I had a very little hope for this aircraft carrier. I used to think that it will not be as good as Vikramaditya. Now, Indian navy say that they are impressed with current carrier and they want another similar one. There can not be any batter news than this. We can modify this design, add new features and fast track the construction with a goal to complete this one in 5 years.

 

[SKC]

When this one was under construction, I had a very little hope for this aircraft carrier. I used to think that it will not be as good as Vikramaditya. Now, Indian navy say that they are impressed with current carrier and they want another similar one. There can not be any batter news than this. We can modify this design, add new features and fast track the construction with a goal to complete this one in 5 years.

We all are impressed with the current carrier.

Just see the recent videos of join exercise with both Carrier together, INS-Vikrant performed fabulously.
Since it is full blown carrier from ground up the deck design is much-much better than Vikki.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

We all are impressed with the current carrier.

Just see the recent videos of join exercise with both Carrier together, INS-Vikrant performed fabulously.
Since it is full blown carrier from ground up the deck design is much-much better than Vikki.

Exactly, This new Design offers much batter floor area compared Vikramadita which offers much batter operating space. It has far superior floor area to weight ratio. US, Russia, UK and France have offered to assist in new AC design. We should plan a highly advance and Practical AC with atleast 5 decades of life.

 

[Bleh]

No need for design changes even... Better to simply scale-up a bit to 50k ton.

 

[Smoothbore125mm]

No need for design changes even... Better to simply scale-up a bit to 50k ton.

yeah make one in 5-6 years if started from 2026 it would take till 2032 to be done till then tedbf will be operating

 

[Corvus Splendens]

No need for design changes even... Better to simply scale-up a bit to 50k ton.

Wider lifts, wider deck space, a smaller island or divided in two, more short range infrared air defense missiles like the RIM-116 RAM, (ideally catapults but we aren't ready for a full scale EMAL demonstrator).