INS Vishal (IAC- II) Aircraft Carrier - Flattop or Ski Jump

[Smoothbore125mm]

Wider lifts, wider deck space, a smaller island or divided in two, more short range infrared air defense missiles like the RIM-116 RAM, (ideally catapults but we aren't ready for a full scale EMAL demonstrator).

vshorads could be modified like a missile ciws 'when' its ready for production

 

[NutCracker]

Wider lifts, wider deck space, a smaller island or divided in two, more short range infrared air defense missiles like the RIM-116 RAM, (ideally catapults but we aren't ready for a full scale EMAL demonstrator).

If not EMALS then at least Steam catobar should move in.
Any idea how much fuel does per launch take , I guess 600kg of water isn't lost, much of it gets reused.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

If not EMALS then at least Steam catobar should move in.
Any idea how much fuel does per launch take , I guess 600kg of water isn't lost, much of it gets reused.

Horrible waste of energy trying to generate high pressure steam with electrical power alone.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

No need for design changes even... Better to simply scale-up a bit to 50k ton.

This will come atleast a decade from now. If do not do any design change, it will become obsolete too soon.

 

[Smoothbore125mm]

This will come atleast a decade from now. If do not do any design change, it will become obsolete too soon.

i dont think so it would becom obselete soon we dont have to worry about sailing to pacific ocean anyways these carriers are supposed to be a defensive ship

 

[HariPrasad-1]

i dont think so it would becom obselete soon we dont have to worry about sailing to pacific ocean anyways these carriers are supposed to be a defensive ship

But that does not mean that we build it up on 3 decade old design.

 

[Bleh]

, (ideally catapults but we aren't ready for a full scale EMAL demonstrator).

We're already getting Rafale-M... Maybe ELAMS is possible

 

[Smoothbore125mm]

a

But that does not mean that we build it up on 3 decade old design.

agreed but we dont have options so best possible thing is vikrant repeat order in the mean time work on the sub systems of a nuclear carrier and when iac 2 is ready iac 3 order should be placed to replace the vikramaditya timeline= 2035 or so

 

[HariPrasad-1]

a

agreed but we dont have options so best possible thing is vikrant repeat order in the mean time work on the sub systems of a nuclear carrier and when iac 2 is ready iac 3 order should be placed to replace the vikramaditya timeline= 2035 or so

We have already received the offer of Design Assistance from US, UK, Russia and France. We should evaluate the proposal and incorporate best of it in our new design. We generally make one AC in 2 decades so we should put our best efforts in design. Knowledge so acquire will remain for ever and will help us designing AC-3.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

This will come atleast a decade from now. If do not do any design change, it will become obsolete too soon.

But that does not mean that we build it up on 3 decade old design.

We have already received the offer of Design Assistance from US, UK, Russia and France. We should evaluate the proposal and incorporate best of it in our new design. We generally make one AC in 2 decades so we should put our best efforts in design. Knowledge so acquire will remain for ever and will help us designing AC-3.

Vikrant design is anything but obsolete in next 2-3 decades. These are aircraft carriers, not automotive.

 

[Smoothbore125mm]

We have already received the offer of Design Assistance from US, UK, Russia and France. We should evaluate the proposal and incorporate best of it in our new design. We generally make one AC in 2 decades so we should put our best efforts in design. Knowledge so acquire will remain for ever and will help us designing AC-3.

i guess its the so called sin of asking more we operated 20000tons carrier then 45000 now we look for 65000 then when 65000 would come we would ask for 100000tons in this we forget that the cbg and cag needs to get advanced as well we can create a 65000 carrier but till 2030 our cbg would be primarily lacking support ship,heavy destroyers ,subsystems which are under construction
either ways admiral has quoted 2049 for navy to be 100% indian so i accept 250-300 ships and 5 carriers with 2 vikrant class ,3 heavier class so we got time

 

[Johny_Baba]

Ignore October date in link (article has been updated two days ago for IAC-II).
Indian Navy Proposes 2nd Aircraft Carrier To Bolster Self-Reliance In Defence (DD News)
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whatever idea they have about this third carrier, THEY BETTER MAKE ITS LIFTS AND INTERNAL HANGAR WIDER ENOUGH FOR CURRENT GEN JETS LIKE F/A-18E OR RAFALE OR UPCOMING TEDBF

HECK DARE I SAY EVEN F-35

FIR BAAKI MIG-29K KE BASED PAR BANATE HAI AUR JAB TAK INDUCT KARNE KA TIME AATA HAI TAB TAK WOH JETS HI OUT OF FOCUS HO JAATE HAI FIR ISSUES HOTE HAI KI LIFT ITNA BADA NAHI HAI KI YEH JETS KO OPERATE KAR SAKE

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Vikrant design is anything but obsolete in next 2-3 decades. These are aircraft carriers, not automotive.

Automotive become Obsolete more faster.

I exactly say same. You can not build a replica of 3 decade old design no matter how successful it was.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

whatever idea they have about this third carrier, THEY BETTER MAKE ITS LIFTS AND INTERNAL HANGAR WIDER ENOUGH FOR CURRENT GEN JETS LIKE F/A-18E OR RAFALE OR UPCOMING TEDBF

HECK DARE I SAY EVEN F-35

FIR BAAKI MIG-29K KE BASED PAR BANATE HAI AUR JAB TAK INDUCT KARNE KA TIME AATA HAI TAB TAK WOH JETS HI OUT OF FOCUS HO JAATE HAI FIR ISSUES HOTE HAI KI LIFT ITNA BADA NAHI HAI KI YEH JETS KO OPERATE KAR SAKE

Very valid point. We should design it with F-18, Rafale -M and ORCA accommodation in it with some margin still left for incorporation of changes.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

i guess its the so called sin of asking more we operated 20000tons carrier then 45000 now we look for 65000 then when 65000 would come we would ask for 100000tons in this we forget that the cbg and cag needs to get advanced as well we can create a 65000 carrier but till 2030 our cbg would be primarily lacking support ship,heavy destroyers ,subsystems which are under construction
either ways admiral has quoted 2049 for navy to be 100% indian so i accept 250-300 ships and 5 carriers with 2 vikrant class ,3 heavier class so we got time

First of all, in no case we are going to get next AC by 2030. It will be 2035 in best case scenario.

We will have sufficient ships to form a battled group with support ships including destroyers to support AC when new AC comes by 2035. We shall be adding at least 100 potent boats in our arsenal in next 12 to 15 years.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Automotive become Obsolete more faster.

I exactly say same. You can not build a replica of 3 decade old design no matter how successful it was.

You just cannot say anything for the sake of saying. Explain how Vikrant's design will be obsolete in a decade while it's possibly best after R08 & 9 in existence among all large STOBARS built till date. There has been a lot of changes since this aircraft carrier was designed and if 2011 engineering is obsolete for late 2020s, every aircraft carrier design in the world is effectively obsolete.

 

[Smoothbore125mm]

Approved!

4.8 billion usd dang thats expensive


got a lowkey april 1 alert

 

[FalconSlayers]

Work on third aircraft carrier to start soon, more to follow, says Rajnath Singh

India will soon start making its third aircraft carrier, said Defence Minister Rajnath Singh while talking to The Tribune. He was referring to the pending proposal of the Navy to make another indigenous carrier same in size as INS Vikrant, which weighed 45,000 tonne and was commissioned in September 2022.

India has one more carrier — INS Vikramaditya — sourced from Russia in 2013. “We will not stop at that (three carriers). We will make five, six more,” said Rajnath.

https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/india/work-on-third-aircraft-carrier-to-start-soon-more-to-follow-says-rajnath-621319

 

[shade]

Work on third aircraft carrier to start soon, more to follow, says Rajnath Singh

https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/india/work-on-third-aircraft-carrier-to-start-soon-more-to-follow-says-rajnath-621319

Submarine aur banao.
AC is too expensive and won't help when the Xitbots inevitably come for Andaman and Nicobar islands which are "Chinese territory since ancient times"

 

[Johny_Baba]

Work on third aircraft carrier to start soon, more to follow, says Rajnath Singh

https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/india/work-on-third-aircraft-carrier-to-start-soon-more-to-follow-says-rajnath-621319

ara bhai karriers toh bana lenge par un par rakhne waale aircrafts ka kya?!

26 waale Rafale-M ka koi aataa pataa nahi hai aur bas aise sapne suhane m*dh*rch*d ke dikhane hai inko