INS Vikrant Aircraft Carrier (IAC)

[nrj]

I think NLCA MK2' progress & current NLCA's results will also influence IAC-2's size.

LCAs being small will allow IN to hook more fighters on AC.

 

[Crusader53]

I think NLCA MK2' progress & current NLCA's results will also influence IAC-2's size.

LCAs being small will allow IN to hook more fighters on AC.

Then why does India need the Mig-29K???

 

[Godless-Kafir]

The 40,000ton category hardly qualifies as an Amphibious Assault Ship in US standards. Their Amerika class Amphibious Assault Ships which is 45,000 tons are as big as our carriers and carry more aircrafts along with two massive hover crafts for beach boarding.

Beat that Indie Funndies... I think we need to make our ACs into Ambitious assault ships which would be 2 in 1 and we Indians like 2 in 1 or even 3!!

 

[nrj]

Then why does India need the Mig-29K???

Can they re-develop Mig29K?

Can they enhance it?

Can they reduce its costs?

Can Mig29K alone be parameter for IAC-2's deck size?

 

[p2prada]

I think NLCA MK2' progress & current NLCA's results will also influence IAC-2's size.

LCAs being small will allow IN to hook more fighters on AC.

IN is going to float an international tender soon. This will be called the Naval MRCA by journos and jingos alike.

SH, Rafale-M, EF-2000, Sea Gripen and possibly F-35 are in contention. At least RFIs have been sent for these aircraft.

The N-LCA Mk2 is a very small requirement. Not more than 6 aircraft on IAC-1 and possibly a squadron on IAC-2.

@Crusader

Mig-29k is meant for Gorky and IAC-1.

 

[nrj]

We know about NMRCA p2p.

Even a squadron should mean ~20 NLCA MK2.

Are you suggesting IN will be completely rejecting NLCA post IAC1?

No doubt NMRCAs are indispensable for IN.

I don't believe IAC2 will be carrying anything beyond 60 fighters.

 

[plugwater]

Lets say we ll have our first NLCA MK-2 by 2020, whats the point of inducting it if we can have fifth gen N-AMCA in 2023 ?

I think instead of wasting money on NLCA MK-2 for just a squadron we should use N-MRCA in IAC-2 and AMCA in IAC-3.

Talk about learning to build carrier borne aircraft we can learn a lot from NLCA MK-1 itself.

 

[p2prada]

We know about NMRCA p2p.

Even a squadron should mean ~20 NLCA MK2.

Are you suggesting IN will be completely rejecting NLCA post IAC1?

No doubt NMRCAs are indispensable for IN.

I don't believe IAC2 will be carrying anything beyond 60 fighters.

Manc has answered your questions. When we plan on inducting N-LCA Mk2, PLAN will possibly be inducting NJ-20 or NJ-xx on possibly their 2nd or 3rd carrier.

There is a limit to what LCA can do, it is a point defence aircraft no matter how much juice you give it and similar aircraft are being phased out from the rest of the world. IN will not reject N-LCA, but they won't bet on it either. It will be a trophy for our indigenous design. However it will be the "real" aircraft that will adorn our prized carriers after IAC-2 and those are the MRCA aircraft.

A squadron of aircraft on a Carrier is 12 aircraft and not 20. 4 extra make up the trainers. IAF squadron for LCA is 20 because the orders are currently small and trainer requirements make up for that. Twin seaters like MKI need not have such requirements because all MKIs can double up as a trainer. A Navy squadron for LCA would be 12+2 or 12+4. 12 single seaters and the rest trainers.

 

[nrj]

NAMCA is still a pipedream for now.

Blend of NMRCA with NLCA MK2 are perfect for IAC-2, considering they want to float it by end of this decade.

 

[DMF]

BUT when the construction of the first India indigenous aircraft carrier will be finished?
Many Chinese funs are waiting to see it, and to tell that they can not wait any longer, so please work harder and finish it.
Anybody get photo of this under constructed ship?

 

[Anshu Attri]

cross posting....

Pipavav, Babcock to build aircraft carriers for Indian Navy

http://www.livemint.com/2011/04/28132039/Pipavav-Babcock-to-build-airc.html

The statement said Pipavav will also look for forming joint ventures 'to build similar lead battle ships for friendly countries'

Mumbai: Pipavav Shipyard Ltd has signed an agreement with UK's Babcock group to jointly built aircraft carriers for the India Navy.

This is the first time that such important co-operation for lead battle ships between a global firm and Indian private shipyard has taken place, paving the way for India to be self-sufficient for such vital assets, according to a Thursday filing to the Bombay Stock Exchange (BSE).

However, the filing did not say whether there would be an equity participation by Babcock. Mint could not immediately contact Pipavav Shipyard executives for comment.

The statement said Pipavav will also look for forming joint ventures "to build similar lead battle ships for friendly countries."

Babcock group is the UK's leading naval support firm. It builds aircraft carriers, manages naval bases, undertakes refitting, refuelling and decommissioning of submarines, maintaining and refitting warships and providing equipment support.

Pipavav Shipyard is in advanced talks to sell a minority stake to an international shipyard, according to two company executives, who declined to be named.

In November 2010, Pipavav Shipyard had received necessary approvals to build warships for the Indian Navy. The company has also received clearance from the Foreign Investment Promotion Board, permitting the company to receive foreign direct investment.

 

[Anshu Attri]

cross posting....

Pipavav, Babcock to build aircraft carriers for Indian Navy

http://www.livemint.com/2011/04/28132039/Pipavav-Babcock-to-build-airc.html

The statement said Pipavav will also look for forming joint ventures 'to build similar lead battle ships for friendly countries'

Mumbai: Pipavav Shipyard Ltd has signed an agreement with UK's Babcock group to jointly built aircraft carriers for the India Navy.

This is the first time that such important co-operation for lead battle ships between a global firm and Indian private shipyard has taken place, paving the way for India to be self-sufficient for such vital assets, according to a Thursday filing to the Bombay Stock Exchange (BSE).

However, the filing did not say whether there would be an equity participation by Babcock. Mint could not immediately contact Pipavav Shipyard executives for comment.

The statement said Pipavav will also look for forming joint ventures "to build similar lead battle ships for friendly countries."

Babcock group is the UK's leading naval support firm. It builds aircraft carriers, manages naval bases, undertakes refitting, refuelling and decommissioning of submarines, maintaining and refitting warships and providing equipment support.

Pipavav Shipyard is in advanced talks to sell a minority stake to an international shipyard, according to two company executives, who declined to be named.

In November 2010, Pipavav Shipyard had received necessary approvals to build warships for the Indian Navy. The company has also received clearance from the Foreign Investment Promotion Board, permitting the company to receive foreign direct investment.

 

[BangersAndMash]

Second indigenous carrier a long way off: Navy Chief


Chief of the Naval Staff Admiral Nirmal Kumar Verma, on Thursday said a second indigenous aircraft carrier (IAC) for the Navy "is a long way off.

This [aircraft carrier building] is an investment of very high proportions. We are doing conceptual studies and certainly it is not going to happen in a hurry. It requires huge investment and before that, the Navy has higher priory items to be tackled," Admiral Verma said, in response to a query from the media, after presenting gallantry awards and honours to naval personnel at an investiture ceremony at the Southern Naval Command here.

"Currently, there are two carriers under construction. The future Navy is based on two carrier battle groups (CBG), one on either coast. And if you have to ensure two CBGs, there has to be a third one. But the stage at which it happens is obviously linked to funding and today, there are greater funding priorities over a third aircraft carrier for the Navy."

On the new Cabinet Committee on Security-approved rules of engagement (ROE) of sea pirates, he said: "The ROE should be something in the minds of the commanding officer [of warships]. I don't think there is any need to talk of it publicly, as it would benefit the other side. The commanding officer, when he goes to sea today, is very clear in his mind how he should act under different circumstances." Asked about Defence Minister's A.K. Antony's comment that pirates enjoyed support of other forces, he said: "As a nation, we need to factor in these matters in the worst-case scenario. To that extent, that possibility is always factored [in]. It is true that the pirate ships we have captured up till now had hostages who were forced into running the ship for the pirates"¦. But there could be a possibility [of pirates being used by inimical forces] and we don't rule it out. Whenever we have had access to pirates and hostages, the investigation is thorough and detailed and there is a lot of information that comes out which is useful in tackling this problem better."

Combating piracy

Asked about the merit of the Navy deploying a chunk of its resources to combat piracy, the Admiral said: "Today, there is no outright situation of a conflict, as we understand it. The challenge that came to us two years ago —coastal security — continues to be a challenge for us. Similarly, piracy is a new challenge that has come to us. Yes, it does require a fair amount of resources, but the task of the Navy is to ensure that the nation's maritime interests are met, and if it requires me to use the resources, that has to be done."

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article1819080.ece

 

[Crusader53]

NAMCA is still a pipedream for now.

Blend of NMRCA with NLCA MK2 are perfect for IAC-2, considering they want to float it by end of this decade.

I believe the N-LCA will be used mainly in the Advance Training Role and the Mig-29K as a Stop Gap until the arrival of the N-MRCA.

 

[gogbot]

I believe the N-LCA will be used mainly in the Advance Training Role and the Mig-29K as a Stop Gap until the arrival of the N-MRCA.

Wrong in both cases.
While no doubt that IN would prefer rafale to both those aircraft.

India will operate two STOBAR carriers and only the Mig-29k and LCA-N will be capable of take of and landing on those platforms. Indian navy has little choice in that regard.
Both the Vikramaditya and Vikrant will need both the Mig-29k and the LCA-n to remain fully combat effective. India won't be buying enough mig's to stock both carrier to their capacity and leave room for spares.

N-mmrca is slated for the CATOBAR config IAC-2 , and IN has recently stated that India is in no rush for a 3rd carrier right now,
so the odds of N-MMRCA seem to be diminishing ever so quickly due to the extended timeline , Navy would prefer N-FGFA or N-AMCA anyway.

 

[Crusader53]

Wrong in both cases.
While no doubt that IN would prefer rafale to both those aircraft.

India will operate two STOBAR carriers and only the Mig-29k and LCA-N will be capable of take of and landing on those platforms. Indian navy has little choice in that regard.
Both the Vikramaditya and Vikrant will need both the Mig-29k and the LCA-n to remain fully combat effective. India won't be buying enough mig's to stock both carrier to their capacity and leave room for spares.

N-mmrca is slated for the CATOBAR config IAC-2 , and IN has recently stated that India is in no rush for a 3rd carrier right now,
so the odds of N-MMRCA seem to be diminishing ever so quickly due to the extended timeline , Navy would prefer N-FGFA or N-AMCA anyway.

Sorry, the Mig-29K and N-LCA are hardly the only types that can operate for the Indian STOBAR Carriers. As a matter of fact the Rafale and Super Hornet could do so better than either of the former.

 

[p2prada]

Sorry, the Mig-29K and N-LCA are hardly the only types that can operate for the Indian STOBAR Carriers. As a matter of fact the Rafale and Super Hornet could do so better than either of the former.

I don't know about Sea Gripen, but EF-2000 will be designed for STOBAR operations only.

Rafale and Super Hornet will be for CATOBAR operations. In the end it really depends on what IN wants.

LCA and Mig-29k will be used as they have already been ordered. Nobody dumps $1Billion worth of aircraft for no apparent reason even before they are fully inducted.

 

[SHASH2K2]

Essar becomes first Indian co to supply plates for warships​

NEW DELHI: Essar Steel on Thursday said it has become the first Indian producer of steel plates approved by the government for supply to the Indian Navy for building strategic war ships.

"Essar Steel's plate mill became the first primer plate producer in the country to be recognized for indigenous development of steel for building ships for the Indian Navy ... Company has received a prestigious order from Mazagoan Dock (MDL) to supply 13,000 tonnes of heavy plates," the company said in a statement.

The heavy plates will be used for manufacturing state-of-the art ships for defence and this is for the first time that MDL has placed an order for such a large consignment of steel plates from a domestic steel mill.

The order, the company said, follows a "stringent mill audit of Essar Steel's recently commissioned wide-plate mill conducted by teams from the Directorate of Naval Architecture (DNA), Defence Metallurgical Research Laboratory (DMRL) and the Director General of Quality Assurance (DGQA) of the Ministry of Defence."

Set up at a cost of about Rs 2,000 crore, the plate mill has an annual production capacity of 1.5 million tonnes. "Equipped with state-of-the-art equipment and controls -- along with cutting edge technology sourced from Siemens Voest Alpine -- the mill is the only one of its kind in the country capable of producing 5-metre wide plates conforming to global standards," it said.

The plates find applications in diverse segments, including defence, oil and gas, boilers and pressure vessels, heavy duty earth-moving machines, wind towers, mine protective vehicles and construction.

Claiming that its products are ultra-strong and all-weather resistant, the company said until now, these products were largely imported.

It said Essar has also become the country's only steel plant with integrated facilities and items ranging from heavy plates to hot rolling and cold rolling products, with a full distribution business under the brand Essar Hypermarts.

The plate mill has unique finishing facilities that include normalised rolled, furnace-normalised, direct quenched, quenched and tempered (QT) plates and accelerated direct cooling (ADCO).

Essar Steel, a part of the Ruias-led Essar Group has a production capacity of 14 million tonnes per annum (MTPA).

 

[Crusader53]

I don't know about Sea Gripen, but EF-2000 will be designed for STOBAR operations only.

Rafale and Super Hornet will be for CATOBAR operations. In the end it really depends on what IN wants.

LCA and Mig-29k will be used as they have already been ordered. Nobody dumps $1Billion worth of aircraft for no apparent reason even before they are fully inducted.

The Super Hornet and Rafale can other from either CATOBAR and/or STOBAR Carriers. The N-LCA and Mig-29K can't or at least not without further development.

 

[Patriot]

Cool your heels. SH is never going to fly from Indian ACs or air strips. What is fun in discussing hypothetical situation which is never going to happen