INS Vikrant Aircraft Carrier (IAC)

[Crusader53]

Cool your heels. SH is never going to fly from Indian ACs or air strips. What is fun in discussing hypothetical situation which is never going to happen

Never said it would! My point was that other types are more than capable of doing so. That said, I done rule out either the Rafale or Super Hornets as being options. Yet, I believe the Indian Navy is more interested in the F-35C.......

 

[gogbot]

Never said it would! My point was that other types are more than capable of doing so. That said, I done rule out either the Rafale or Super Hornets as being options. Yet, I believe the Indian Navy is more interested in the F-35C.......

Indian Navy was briefed once and that to on the F-35B , and my impression of the whole thing was they walked away uninterested.

They were very interested back in 2005

Indian Navy is willing to procure F-35 advanced fighters from US, but it is not interested in F-18 fighter planes as they are not "compatible" with the aircraft carriers of the naval force, Chief of Naval Staff Admiral Arun Prakash said here today.

http://news.outlookindia.com/item.aspx?309785

But since then they have been very quiet about the issue and instead issued an RFI for N-MMRCA.

http://www.8ak.in/8ak_india_defence_news/2010/07/indian-navy-issues-rfi-for-new-aircrafts.html

The RFIs have been issued to global majors, who include Lockheed Martin, Boeing for F/A-18, Eurofighter Typhoon, French Dassault for Rafale, Rosoboronexport for newer Russian MiG or Sukhoi shipboard fighters

http://idrw.org/?p=641

Our sources have confirmed that Navy has received a Briefing and also a copy of ASR (Air Staff Requirements) issued by Indian air force on AMCA aircraft , Navy is also working out how N-AMCA will fit its doctrine and into its plans of operating larger aircraft carrier from IAC-2 onwards .

They have shown Keen interest in both the N-FGFA and N-AMCA.
Only things IN wants is the Eagle Eye platform. And more ASW systems.


Full Article:

Kolkata, Jul 11 (PTI) Indian Navy is willing to procure F-35 advanced fighters from US, but it is not interested in F-18 fighter planes as they are not "compatible" with the aircraft carriers of the naval force, Chief of Naval Staff Admiral Arun Prakash said here today.

"Yes. Given an offer, we will be much interested in having the F-35 fighters," Admiral Prakash told reporters when asked if the Navy would be willing to procure the advanced fighters from the US.

He was speaking to reporters after the commissioning of warship INS Beas at the Garden Reach Shipbuilders and Engineers Ltd. Admiral Prakash said that the F-18 aircraft, being offered by the US to Indian armed forces, would not be relevant for the Navy. "F-18 is a carrier-borne aircraft, but needs steam catapult (for take-off). It is not compatible to ski-jump and therefore, not suitable for our type of aircraft carriers," he said. On the other hand the F-35 aircraft were of the ski-jump type and would be suitable for the Navy's aircraft carriers, he explained.

The Navy was also looking for acquisition of "reconnoisseur aircraft but not of AWACS type," Admiral Prakash said, but hastened to add that plans were underway to replace the Sea Harrier fighter aircraft with MiG 29-K and light combat aircraft (LCA). "We have one squadron of fighter aircraft Sea Harrier with INS Virat, but it will be replaced by Mig 29-K or LCA," he said.

About the proposal for producing indigenously built submarines, Admiral Prakash said "we have submitted a proposal to the government for building submarines of the Scorpene design, which is of French origin." Once the proposal is cleared six submarines would be produced at the Mazagon dock and the first of the lot would be rolled out six years after the government nod, he said.

Hailing the capability of Indian shipyards in producing world-class warships, destroyers, patrol vessels, he said "work is also underway to produce indigenous Aircraft Carrier in the Cochin Shipyard." The Naval Chief, however, urged the domestic shipyards, which has so far produced 80 ships for the Navy, to improve productivity given the requirements of the force. "It is not a warning, but a request that our shipyards accelerate the pace of production. While we are deeply committed to our PSUs, we just cannot allow force levels to decline. Therefore, if left with no alternative, we shall have to import warships to make up our force levels." Admiral Prakash also stressed on "thinking seriously of mobilising private sector in support of the national ship-building effort.

01 July 2010
Indian Navy issues RFI for new aircraft

30 June2010 8ak: Indian Navy (IN) has issued Request for Inquiry (RFI) to acquire new generation aircraft to operate from its aircraft carriers it intends to induct over the next decade. The RFI does not state the number of aircraft it intends to procure.

The RFIs have been issued to global majors, who include Lockheed Martin, Boeing for F/A-18, Eurofighter Typhoon, French Dassault for Rafale, Rosoboronexport for newer Russian MiG or Sukhoi shipboard fighters. The RFI for new shipboard fighters is over and above the 45 MiG-29K fighter aircrafts India has acquired from Russia, 16 of which were ordered along with INS Gorshkov aircraft carrier in 2004.

In the meantime, signaling that U.S. was willing to take its partnership with India to the next level, Orville Prins of Lockheed Martin has stated that it would offer its B and C variant of the F-35 aircraft to the IN. The B version of the F-35 is a short take-off and vertical landing aircraft and the C version is an aircraft carrier-based version.

Navy keen on AMCA Project
Published March 1, 2011

SOURCE : VINAYAK SHETTI FOR SECURITY MAGAZINE ISSUE OF FEB

Not to be left out of the countries 5th generation fighter program, Indian navy has asked for a briefing on the AMCA project which ADE is heading and they were briefed on AMCA project by the ADE which was attended by Navy's high ranked officers.

Navy earlier had shown interest in American made F-35 for their 5th gen platform requirements but it seems that Navy has decided to stick with Indigenous program. Navy will join the program once AMCA begins its Technological demonstration phase after its first flight somewhere near end of this decade.

Navy is keen that N-LCA program is successful so that they can move to N-AMCA project soon after its completion. N-LCA had some issues with its landing gear which needed to be redesigned to operate on an aircraft carrier and survive hard deck landing .N-LCA NP-1 is almost ready for its first flight and will have its first flight in mid or end or March if Ground and taxi trials are conducted in time.

Our sources have confirmed that Navy has received a Briefing and also a copy of ASR (Air Staff Requirements) issued by Indian air force on AMCA aircraft , Navy is also working out how N-AMCA will fit its doctrine and into its plans of operating larger aircraft carrier from IAC-2 onwards .

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[p2prada]

India was interested in F-35B and not C. The Super Hornet is too big for the carriers. EF is quite big but not as big as the SH while Rafale fits all.

The F-35B is of similar size as the Rafale but has only one engine.

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

according to chief of naval staff iac-2 may be delayed.that means it will take about 2020-2025 to arrive in the scene at the earliest and not 2017-2020 timeframe.so i think indian navy should look to 5th gen fighters eg n-fgfa and n-amca.

 

[Crusader53]

F-35c

The F-35C will be the best Naval Fighter for the next 20-30 years. So, the choice is obvious!

 

[ace009]

I am not so sure about that - will believe it when I see the F-35C in action. Remember, in 20 years, there will be competition (Chinese, Indian and Russian fighters).

 

[Crusader53]

I am not so sure about that - will believe it when I see the F-35C in action. Remember, in 20 years, there will be competition (Chinese, Indian and Russian fighters).

Well, so far that would be Naval Variants of the J-20 and/or PAF-FA/FGFA. While capable are not likely to exceed the performance of the F-35. Plus, they are all too large for efficient Carrier Operations.

 

[gogbot]

Well, so far that would be Naval Variants of the J-20 and/or PAF-FA/FGFA. While capable are not likely to exceed the performance of the F-35. Plus, they are all too large for efficient Carrier Operations.

FGFA compared to the F-18 SH ?

How is it too large

 

[Crusader53]

FGFA compared to the F-18 SH ?

How is it too large

The PAK-FA is bigger than the Super Hornet in ever dimension. Length 5.9 Ft Longer, 1.2 Ft Wider, 3.8 Ft Taller. Then let's not forget a 32,000/66,000 lbs (Empty/Max) vs 40,785/81,570 lbs. (btw the Naval Variant of the PAK-FA would be even heavier!)


In short the massive PAK-FA would be a tight fix on the small IAC-1 and ex-Gorshkov.

 

[nirmal]

Can anybody provide some latest pics or information regarding the status of IAC-1 at CSL?
The google earth pic put up earlier was not very clear regarding the structure of the ship.When is it expected to be put in the waters? In 2011 or later?

 

[bhramos]

Can anybody provide some latest pics or information regarding the status of IAC-1 at CSL?
The google earth pic put up earlier was not very clear regarding the structure of the ship.When is it expected to be put in the waters? In 2011 or later?

2014 was the date given earlier, but dont know that this is for Entering for service or for sea Trails...

 

[nirmal]

It has to be the induction date. The fabrication job at present in CSL must be nearing completion.
It was to be put out in waters by 2011 for further fitments alongwith sea trials that would require another 2-3 years before induction if I am not wrong.

 

[ace009]

Well, so far that would be Naval Variants of the J-20 and/or PAF-FA/FGFA. While capable are not likely to exceed the performance of the F-35. Plus, they are all too large for efficient Carrier Operations.

I don't know about the J-20, but the FGFA will probably never have a naval variant. The naval 5th gen fighter for India is supposed to be the AMCA-naval, which according to available specs (read speculations - ) is smaller than the SH and about as big as the Rafale. The IN by 2025 will fly N-LCA, N-AMCA and N-MMRCA in the IAC carriers. The Gorshy will have Mig-29K and a few N-LCA.

If IN gets a nuke-powered supercarrier ever, then a Naval variant of the FGFA will be made available, but with CATOBAR technology.

 

[gogbot]

The PAK-FA is bigger than the Super Hornet in ever dimension. Length 5.9 Ft Longer, 1.2 Ft Wider, 3.8 Ft Taller. Then let's not forget a 32,000/66,000 lbs (Empty/Max) vs 40,785/81,570 lbs. (btw the Naval Variant of the PAK-FA would be even heavier!)

In short the massive PAK-FA would be a tight fix on the small IAC-1 and ex-Gorshkov.

Well if am Honest , in all likely-hood it wont operate on those carriers .
The Naval varriant of the aircraft may only be ready by the Time IAC-2 is ready.
Making it an aircraft for IAC-2 and beyond.

IAC-1 and Vikramaditya would just end up flying LCA-N , Mig-29 and may be the F-35 by a very slim chance

 

[tony4562]

2014 was the date given earlier, but dont know that this is for Entering for service or for sea Trails...

2014 is the year this ship is supposed to sail with Indian navy. Now, it looks it might not even be launched by then. And given the complexity of a carrier, even experienced nations need several years after the ship's launching to complete it. Admiral Kuznetsov, for example was launched in 1985, but was not commisioned until 1991, similary Charles de Gaulle was launched in 1994 but was not commisioned until 2001. India, being a minnow in shipbuilding, has had tremendous difficulty in completing warships on schedule. INS Mumbai was laucnhed in 1995 but was not commisioned until 2001, and in recent times INS Shivalik was launched in 2003, but did not enter service until 2010. If past is any inidctor, the same story is bound to repeat with IAC-1, a much larger and complex ship. Realistically if India manages to put IAC-1 in service by 2020, it would be considered a great success for India.

 

[Crusader53]

I don't know about the J-20, but the FGFA will probably never have a naval variant. The naval 5th gen fighter for India is supposed to be the AMCA-naval, which according to available specs (read speculations - ) is smaller than the SH and about as big as the Rafale. The IN by 2025 will fly N-LCA, N-AMCA and N-MMRCA in the IAC carriers. The Gorshy will have Mig-29K and a few N-LCA.

If IN gets a nuke-powered supercarrier ever, then a Naval variant of the FGFA will be made available, but with CATOBAR technology.

A Naval - AMCA would be logical and could be viable. Yet, like the IAC-2/3 it's like a good 15-20 years off. Which, is along time to compete with China's New Carrier Fleet.

 

[bengalraider]

kinda off topic but this is a good video showing the evolution of american carrier designs

 

[sayareakd]

no wonder US operate so many carriers, they have so so much experience to make and use those.

 

[JAISWAL]

Indigenous aircraft carrier launch this December: Antony

http://www.newkerala.com/news/2011/worldnews-40399.html
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Indigenous aircraft carrier launch this December: Antony
New Delhi, Aug 2 : The construction of
India's first indigenous aircraft carrier (IAC)
at Cochin is expected to be completed in
December this year, after which the
warship will be launched, Defence Minister
A.K. Antony said Tuesday.
Antony,
in a written reply to questions in the Lok Sabha,
said the Cochin Shipyard Limited (CSL) had
completed 75 percent of the hull work on the
IAC, which is also known as the Air Defence Ship.
"Regarding the Air Defence Ship being
constructed at CSL, 75 percent of hull work has
been completed and is expected to be launched in
December 2011, after which further works will be
undertaken prior to commissioning," Antony
said.
He said the augmentation of infrastructure at CSL
was in progress and Indian-made hull quality
steel was now available that will reduce the
country's dependence on foreign sources.
"With the infrastructure and experience,
indigenous aircraft carrier-sized ships can be built
at CSL. Additionally, Indian-manufactures warship
quality steel is now available, which will reduce
dependence on foreign countries," he said.
Declaring India's intention of having at least two
carrier task forces with aircraft carrier warships as
the pivot of such battle groups, Antony said the
country should be capable of deploying them on
two locations soon.
"To maintain effective presence in our area of
interest, Indian Navy should be capable of
deploying carrier task forces in two
geographically separated locations," he said.
The navy already operates the Centaur-class INS
Viraat aircraft carrier. The refit and modernisation
works on board the INS Vikramaditya, formerly
Russian Navy aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov,
are progressing in an earnest manner, the
minister said.
"Consequent to signing of supplementary
agreements in March 2010, the Russian side has
increased the manpower and material resources
considerably for the (Vikramaditya) project. A
majority of the equipment and systems have
been installed on board the ship. The delivery of
the ship is scheduled in December 2012," he
added.
http://www.newkerala.com/news/2011/worldnews-40399.html

 

[sayareakd]