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I have been waiting for the same all this month. And there is no word yet. Duh..!
Sea trials might see delay eventually.
INS Vikrant Aircraft Carrier (IAC)
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Sea trials might see delay eventually.
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buying the QE class carrier is a good option especially since it takes 7-8 years to build an a/c and also because we are buying all kind of junk from US,but the problem is we need another 40-50 carrier borne by fighters by 2016(by which it will acheive foc),so that we cannot wait for n-amca or n-fgfa which can be the main fighter till 2040's, otherwise we have to go for 4th gen fighters which will be totally obsolete by 2025
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Indian Navy plans three aircraft carriers
The Indian Navy plans to acquire at least three aircraft carriers in the next five to seven years in addition to other procurements.
It plans to acquire sea-based assets for littoral warfare, landing platform docks, and long-range maritime surveillance aircraft.
An Indian Defence Ministry news release said quoting Defence Minister A.K. Antony who asked the Navy to increase Navy-to-Navy contact with the littoral countries of the Indian Ocean. This move comes five years after the service incorporated preparation for littoral warfare as part of the Navy's long term doctrine.
Addressing top Indian military commanders at a meeting in Delhi on Oct. 27, Antony said, "The complex maritime security environment in our region requires the Navy to maintain a state of perpetual readiness operationally. You must factor in the need to be ready at all times prominently, while planning for the future. At the same time, we need to maintain, and even increase, the momentum of our Navy-to-Navy contact with the littoral countries of the Indian Ocean. Such contacts strengthen professional ties and mutual trust, and streamline interoperability issues."
Antony said New Delhi is committed to the continued deployment of ships and aircraft to improve surveillance off the coast of Maldives and Seychelles to ensure maritime security from piracy.
Antony said, "We also need to engage like-minded African states in the Western Indian Ocean Region, such as Mozambique, South Africa, Tanzania and Kenya, to enhance our strengths and contribute to peace and stability, not only in the Asia-Pacific region, but also in the entire Indian Ocean Region".
http://www.******************/indian-navy-plans-three-aircraft-carriers-20101029/
The Indian Navy plans to acquire at least three aircraft carriers in the next five to seven years in addition to other procurements.
It plans to acquire sea-based assets for littoral warfare, landing platform docks, and long-range maritime surveillance aircraft.
An Indian Defence Ministry news release said quoting Defence Minister A.K. Antony who asked the Navy to increase Navy-to-Navy contact with the littoral countries of the Indian Ocean. This move comes five years after the service incorporated preparation for littoral warfare as part of the Navy's long term doctrine.
Addressing top Indian military commanders at a meeting in Delhi on Oct. 27, Antony said, "The complex maritime security environment in our region requires the Navy to maintain a state of perpetual readiness operationally. You must factor in the need to be ready at all times prominently, while planning for the future. At the same time, we need to maintain, and even increase, the momentum of our Navy-to-Navy contact with the littoral countries of the Indian Ocean. Such contacts strengthen professional ties and mutual trust, and streamline interoperability issues."
Antony said New Delhi is committed to the continued deployment of ships and aircraft to improve surveillance off the coast of Maldives and Seychelles to ensure maritime security from piracy.
Antony said, "We also need to engage like-minded African states in the Western Indian Ocean Region, such as Mozambique, South Africa, Tanzania and Kenya, to enhance our strengths and contribute to peace and stability, not only in the Asia-Pacific region, but also in the entire Indian Ocean Region".
http://www.******************/indian-navy-plans-three-aircraft-carriers-20101029/
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Personally, I think India would be wise to join the CVF Program. As she could purchase one directly from the UK and possibly build two-three more in India. If, such a deal could be struck the French would likely join. Which, could offer many advantages for all three partners.
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Is the Vikrant going to be launched this December??
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Add Catapults to IAC-1???
Really, considering the IAC-1 is so early in construction and IAC-2 will have both Catapults and Arresting Gear. Shouldn't the India Navy consider modifying the IAC-1 now with Catapults too???
Really, considering the IAC-1 is so early in construction and IAC-2 will have both Catapults and Arresting Gear. Shouldn't the India Navy consider modifying the IAC-1 now with Catapults too???
Indian experience is that a carrier spends more than six months a year for refitting. God knows why is there need for frequent refits, except as mines of gold.
India would need at least three carriers on sea all the time, if it has to be a credible deterrence. So India needs at least 5-6 carriers. But a carrier at sea requires a flotilla to protect it at high seas.
What are India's strategic requirements? China is beyond reach. Pakistan can be tackled with land based aircraft. There are no other enemies on horizon.
As for coastal landings in hostile territory, if land based aircraft cannot soften Karachi, then rest assured sea born aircraft too cannot do it.
Groan. Don't cite 1971. In E. Pak PAF was knocked out in a day. Of course Vikrant aircraft were ANDHON MEIN KANA RAJA, and as such dealt blows. An IAF squadron was freed for Western front. ONE SQ.
Our Navy is a pathetic force, hardly better than a saluting base for the Supreme Commander. A 56,000 strong force guarded by 15,000 men [police, armed police, CISF, in house MARCOS etc].
Sure, India has design and industrial skills to produce a carrier. But should we go for it at all?
An aircraft needs about 1000 tonnes of dead weight of a carrier. So a 40,000 ton ship should carry 40 aircraft. Fewer means a design failure.
India would need at least three carriers on sea all the time, if it has to be a credible deterrence. So India needs at least 5-6 carriers. But a carrier at sea requires a flotilla to protect it at high seas.
What are India's strategic requirements? China is beyond reach. Pakistan can be tackled with land based aircraft. There are no other enemies on horizon.
As for coastal landings in hostile territory, if land based aircraft cannot soften Karachi, then rest assured sea born aircraft too cannot do it.
Groan. Don't cite 1971. In E. Pak PAF was knocked out in a day. Of course Vikrant aircraft were ANDHON MEIN KANA RAJA, and as such dealt blows. An IAF squadron was freed for Western front. ONE SQ.
Our Navy is a pathetic force, hardly better than a saluting base for the Supreme Commander. A 56,000 strong force guarded by 15,000 men [police, armed police, CISF, in house MARCOS etc].
Sure, India has design and industrial skills to produce a carrier. But should we go for it at all?
An aircraft needs about 1000 tonnes of dead weight of a carrier. So a 40,000 ton ship should carry 40 aircraft. Fewer means a design failure.
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Indian carrier spends time in refit as it a sixty year old carrier limping around. It was a second hand carrier which retired by the British. What else can be expected now from it?
New carriers should not give this kind of a problem unless there are serious faults with its design a la CdG of France.
Considering Indias rising power oh hell yeah we need carriers. They are used to project power. India has huge maritime interest in the IOR/Arabian sea. China has made a port in Gwadar which could one day be used for military purpose against India. Clearly we have to plan for tomorrow and day after and the day after that. All this has to be planned and implemented today.
New carriers should not give this kind of a problem unless there are serious faults with its design a la CdG of France.
Considering Indias rising power oh hell yeah we need carriers. They are used to project power. India has huge maritime interest in the IOR/Arabian sea. China has made a port in Gwadar which could one day be used for military purpose against India. Clearly we have to plan for tomorrow and day after and the day after that. All this has to be planned and implemented today.
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India delays Indigenous Aircraft Carrier project launch
NEW DELHI (PTI): Admitting "hiccups" in India's
Indigenous Aircraft Carrier (IAC) project, Navy Chief Admiral Nirmal Verma Thursday said the 40,000-tonne warship could not be launched this year because of delays in supply of equipment, but it would be ready for sea trials by 2014.
"The IAC was to be launched this year and because of some indigenous equipment that could not be supplied on time the launch has been delayed. We are expecting it (launch) by the middle of next year, as things stand," he said at the annual press conference ahead of Navy Day on December 4.
"But at the same time, efforts are on to compress the time frames by ensuring that the amount of outfitting on the warship is much more than earlier envisaged, so we cut down on time. We expect to put it out at sea by 2014," he said.
The Navy Chief said since India was building an aircraft carrier for the first time, a lot of trial and error took place during construction.
"We should graduate to sea trial stage where one can say ...the target is 2014," he added.
On the Navy's future acquisition and capability enhancement programmes, Verma said there were 36 ships and submarines on order in various Indian shipyards and that these programmes were largely on track.
Among the major projects were the IAC in Kochi and the refurbishment of INS Vikramaditya (erstwhile Russian Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier), both of which were "progressing satisfactorily and going well."
"Vikramaditya's induction has been delayed due to increase in the scope of work, which consequently led to unavoidable upward revision in price. But, there has been progress in the past few months. All efforts are being made to ensure 'Vikramaditya' will be delivered to us by December 2012," he added.
Verma pointed out that India's first stealth frigate INS Shivalik had been commissioned and two more ships of this class would be commissioned soon.
"Other projects in pipeline are Kolkata class destroyers, four advanced anti-submarine Corvettes and six Scorpene class submarines, four modern fast patrol vessels and a sail training ship are at various stages of construction," he added.
In the Shivalik class, MDL will be delivering the second ship in the line to the Navy in a few months from now.
He said orders for five Offshore Patrol Vessels and two cadet training ships had been placed at private shipyards.
"We had smaller ships being constructed, but in terms of size, this is a first as far as Indian Navy is concerned (to be built at a private yard) and we have told them to deliver on time and within costs," he noted.
Pointing out that the government had recently approved plans for building four Landing Pontoon Docks (LPDs) on the lines of INS Jalashva bought by India from the US a couple of years ago, Verma said this would be built under the "Buy and Make Indian' category of the Defence Procurement Procedure (DPP) in force at present.
These apart, the government also approved the 75I project for indigenously building six second line submarines.
Among the inductions coming from abroad apart from INS Vikramaditya, he said there were three follow-on warships of the 'Talwar' class frigates from Russia and two tankers from Italy.
"The first of the tankers is likely to be delivered to India by 2011," he noted.
Meanwhile, he said, the midlife upgrades (MLUs) for 13 warships were approved by the government and among the ships to be upgraded would be the Rajput class and Godavari class of Destroyers, to make them modern, 21st century combatants.
To enhance Navy's surveillance capabilities, 12 maritime patrol aircraft Boeing's P8Is have been ordered for induction and the first of these aircraft would be delivered by 2013, Verma said.
"It is an extremely advanced aircraft, and it will enhance our surveillance and anti-ship preparedness significantly," he said.
The process to acquire new medium-range reconnaissance aircraft to further augment the surveillance capabilities too was under way, he added.
On naval fighter aircraft, the Navy Chief said the fighter arm got "a further impetus" with the induction of the first batch of MiG-29K Russian aircraft early this year.
"Our air crews are already flying the aircraft and we have set up an intensive flight training unit to complete the task in a time-bound manner. An additional contract for 29 MIG-29 K has already been signed recently," he added.
On the indigenous naval variant of the Light Combat Aircraft, Verma said the programme marked "a significant milestone" this year with the roll out of the prototype on July 6 at Bangalore. "We expect the first flight to take place this month," he added.
The Navy, Verma said, was also in the process of procuring 16 multi-role helicopters to augment the surveillance
and attack capabilities of ships.
It has also initiated the process to procure utility helicopter as replacement for the 'Chetak' fleet. The existing fleet of Seaking and Kamov choppers will also go through a MLU to provide sophisticated sensors.
"All these steps will provide the requisite fillip for the naval aviation arm," he added.
NEW DELHI (PTI): Admitting "hiccups" in India's
Indigenous Aircraft Carrier (IAC) project, Navy Chief Admiral Nirmal Verma Thursday said the 40,000-tonne warship could not be launched this year because of delays in supply of equipment, but it would be ready for sea trials by 2014.
"The IAC was to be launched this year and because of some indigenous equipment that could not be supplied on time the launch has been delayed. We are expecting it (launch) by the middle of next year, as things stand," he said at the annual press conference ahead of Navy Day on December 4.
"But at the same time, efforts are on to compress the time frames by ensuring that the amount of outfitting on the warship is much more than earlier envisaged, so we cut down on time. We expect to put it out at sea by 2014," he said.
The Navy Chief said since India was building an aircraft carrier for the first time, a lot of trial and error took place during construction.
"We should graduate to sea trial stage where one can say ...the target is 2014," he added.
On the Navy's future acquisition and capability enhancement programmes, Verma said there were 36 ships and submarines on order in various Indian shipyards and that these programmes were largely on track.
Among the major projects were the IAC in Kochi and the refurbishment of INS Vikramaditya (erstwhile Russian Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier), both of which were "progressing satisfactorily and going well."
"Vikramaditya's induction has been delayed due to increase in the scope of work, which consequently led to unavoidable upward revision in price. But, there has been progress in the past few months. All efforts are being made to ensure 'Vikramaditya' will be delivered to us by December 2012," he added.
Verma pointed out that India's first stealth frigate INS Shivalik had been commissioned and two more ships of this class would be commissioned soon.
"Other projects in pipeline are Kolkata class destroyers, four advanced anti-submarine Corvettes and six Scorpene class submarines, four modern fast patrol vessels and a sail training ship are at various stages of construction," he added.
In the Shivalik class, MDL will be delivering the second ship in the line to the Navy in a few months from now.
He said orders for five Offshore Patrol Vessels and two cadet training ships had been placed at private shipyards.
"We had smaller ships being constructed, but in terms of size, this is a first as far as Indian Navy is concerned (to be built at a private yard) and we have told them to deliver on time and within costs," he noted.
Pointing out that the government had recently approved plans for building four Landing Pontoon Docks (LPDs) on the lines of INS Jalashva bought by India from the US a couple of years ago, Verma said this would be built under the "Buy and Make Indian' category of the Defence Procurement Procedure (DPP) in force at present.
These apart, the government also approved the 75I project for indigenously building six second line submarines.
Among the inductions coming from abroad apart from INS Vikramaditya, he said there were three follow-on warships of the 'Talwar' class frigates from Russia and two tankers from Italy.
"The first of the tankers is likely to be delivered to India by 2011," he noted.
Meanwhile, he said, the midlife upgrades (MLUs) for 13 warships were approved by the government and among the ships to be upgraded would be the Rajput class and Godavari class of Destroyers, to make them modern, 21st century combatants.
To enhance Navy's surveillance capabilities, 12 maritime patrol aircraft Boeing's P8Is have been ordered for induction and the first of these aircraft would be delivered by 2013, Verma said.
"It is an extremely advanced aircraft, and it will enhance our surveillance and anti-ship preparedness significantly," he said.
The process to acquire new medium-range reconnaissance aircraft to further augment the surveillance capabilities too was under way, he added.
On naval fighter aircraft, the Navy Chief said the fighter arm got "a further impetus" with the induction of the first batch of MiG-29K Russian aircraft early this year.
"Our air crews are already flying the aircraft and we have set up an intensive flight training unit to complete the task in a time-bound manner. An additional contract for 29 MIG-29 K has already been signed recently," he added.
On the indigenous naval variant of the Light Combat Aircraft, Verma said the programme marked "a significant milestone" this year with the roll out of the prototype on July 6 at Bangalore. "We expect the first flight to take place this month," he added.
The Navy, Verma said, was also in the process of procuring 16 multi-role helicopters to augment the surveillance
and attack capabilities of ships.
It has also initiated the process to procure utility helicopter as replacement for the 'Chetak' fleet. The existing fleet of Seaking and Kamov choppers will also go through a MLU to provide sophisticated sensors.
"All these steps will provide the requisite fillip for the naval aviation arm," he added.
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Always a delay...:emot0:
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why i am unable to see the last page of this thread?? It opens only in page 30 even if i click on page 31....
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Hiccups in Indigenous Aircraft Carrier project: Navy Chief
New Delhi, Dec 2 (PTI)
Admitting ''hiccups'' in India's Indigenous Aircraft Carrier (IAC) project, Navy Chief Admiral Nirmal Verma today said the 40,000-tonne warship could not be launched this year because of delays in supply of equipment, but it would be ready for sea trials by 2014.
"The IAC was to be launched this year and because of some indigenous equipment that could not be supplied on time the launch has been delayed. We are expecting it (launch) by the middle of next year, as things stand," he said at the annual press conference ahead of Navy Day on December 4.
"But at the same time, efforts are on to compress the time frames by ensuring that the amount of outfitting on the warship is much more than earlier envisaged, so we cut down on time. We expect to put it out at sea by 2014," he said.
The Navy Chief said since India was building an aircraft carrier for the first time, a lot of trial and error took place during construction."We should graduate to sea trial stage where one can say ...the target is 2014," he added.
On the Navy's future acquisition and capability enhancement programmes, Verma said there were 36 ships and submarines on order in various Indian shipyards and that these programmes were largely on track.
Among the major projects were the IAC in Kochi and the refurbishment of INS Vikramaditya (erstwhile Russian Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier), both of which were "progressing satisfactorily and going well."
"Vikramaditya's induction has been delayed due to increase in the scope of work, which consequently led to unavoidable upward revision in price. But, there has been progress in the past few months. All efforts are being made to ensure 'Vikramaditya' will be delivered to us by December 2012," he added.
Verma pointed out that India's first stealth frigate INS Shivalik had been commissioned and two more ships of this class would be commissioned soon."Other projects in pipeline are Kolkata class destroyers, four advanced anti-submarine Corvettes and six Scorpene class submarines, four modern fast patrol vessels and a sail training ship are at various stages of construction," he added.
In the Shivalik class, MDL will be delivering the second ship in the line to the Navy in a few months from now.He said orders for five Offshore Patrol Vessels and two cadet training ships had been placed at private shipyards.
"We had smaller ships being constructed, but in terms of size, this is a first as far as Indian Navy is concerned (to be built at a private yard) and we have told them to deliver on time and within costs," he noted.
New Delhi, Dec 2 (PTI)
Admitting ''hiccups'' in India's Indigenous Aircraft Carrier (IAC) project, Navy Chief Admiral Nirmal Verma today said the 40,000-tonne warship could not be launched this year because of delays in supply of equipment, but it would be ready for sea trials by 2014.
"The IAC was to be launched this year and because of some indigenous equipment that could not be supplied on time the launch has been delayed. We are expecting it (launch) by the middle of next year, as things stand," he said at the annual press conference ahead of Navy Day on December 4.
"But at the same time, efforts are on to compress the time frames by ensuring that the amount of outfitting on the warship is much more than earlier envisaged, so we cut down on time. We expect to put it out at sea by 2014," he said.
The Navy Chief said since India was building an aircraft carrier for the first time, a lot of trial and error took place during construction."We should graduate to sea trial stage where one can say ...the target is 2014," he added.
On the Navy's future acquisition and capability enhancement programmes, Verma said there were 36 ships and submarines on order in various Indian shipyards and that these programmes were largely on track.
Among the major projects were the IAC in Kochi and the refurbishment of INS Vikramaditya (erstwhile Russian Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier), both of which were "progressing satisfactorily and going well."
"Vikramaditya's induction has been delayed due to increase in the scope of work, which consequently led to unavoidable upward revision in price. But, there has been progress in the past few months. All efforts are being made to ensure 'Vikramaditya' will be delivered to us by December 2012," he added.
Verma pointed out that India's first stealth frigate INS Shivalik had been commissioned and two more ships of this class would be commissioned soon."Other projects in pipeline are Kolkata class destroyers, four advanced anti-submarine Corvettes and six Scorpene class submarines, four modern fast patrol vessels and a sail training ship are at various stages of construction," he added.
In the Shivalik class, MDL will be delivering the second ship in the line to the Navy in a few months from now.He said orders for five Offshore Patrol Vessels and two cadet training ships had been placed at private shipyards.
"We had smaller ships being constructed, but in terms of size, this is a first as far as Indian Navy is concerned (to be built at a private yard) and we have told them to deliver on time and within costs," he noted.
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So true you are, F-35 got delayed by 3 years. :emot15:
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MOds pls. forgive me this is OT,
There are scores of problem with F-35 aka white elephant, Software, it's relevance & feasibility, price, delays, Engine & many more undisclosed one. In addition overall programme is under doubt. With F-35 US is doing mass fooling & huge business by developing threat perception in the mind of it's so called allies or scapegoats. It's just illusion projected by US for interoperability with this A/C is nothing just making surrender of it's allies to US hegemony on the name of security umbrella/friendship/allies etc as per the wishes of US.
I am sure it will be very costly to live with F-35.
There are scores of problem with F-35 aka white elephant, Software, it's relevance & feasibility, price, delays, Engine & many more undisclosed one. In addition overall programme is under doubt. With F-35 US is doing mass fooling & huge business by developing threat perception in the mind of it's so called allies or scapegoats. It's just illusion projected by US for interoperability with this A/C is nothing just making surrender of it's allies to US hegemony on the name of security umbrella/friendship/allies etc as per the wishes of US.
I am sure it will be very costly to live with F-35.
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I don't care what the admiral has to say about current schedule as long as we get that carrier in 2014 as he's promised. Seriously, how long does he expect us to limp in defence due to the incapability of Left-unions managed government sector companies? Let the solution be to let private companies have access to critical research base and build up from there.
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Has anyone spotted the IAC under construction useing Google Earth? It was easy to spot Arihant during construction in the Mumbai Docks, similarly could we spot the IAC on Google Earth?
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Errrrrr! Arihant in Mumbai? I don't think Arihant ever moved out of Visakhapatnam docks.
IAC-1, thanks to Google Earth.
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Rahul the Arihant was built in Mumbai Navy port. I have seen it early in 2005-6 etc., It was being built in south mumbai docks. I will try to see if that pic is updated yet.
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