INS Vikramaditya (Adm Gorshkov) aircraft carrier

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In the air to ground load out the Gorky's sortie rate is lesser than CdG. But in air to air load out the sortie rate is more or less the same.

The CdG's advantage is it can launch bigger fixed wing aircraft like E-2C.

Considering our ships are mainly air defence ships with anti-air and anti-shipping role with a lesser inclination for delivering strike packages on land and considering more than half the world's shipping happens in the Indian Ocean, what we are currently planning is more than enough for power projection.

Maybe 10 years later when we want to project power beyond the Indian Ocean we will need bigger carriers and better aircraft. The Naval MRCA is particularly meant for after 2017.
Maybe you could use the term "adequate" but hardly ideal. As a matter of fact the Vikramaditya will be costly to operate and maintain. Especially in relationship to its overall capabilities.
 

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In the air to ground load out the Gorky's sortie rate is lesser than CdG. But in air to air load out the sortie rate is more or less the same.
NOT... CdG has two catapults and two heavy lift elevators. Gorky has one ramp and one heavy lift elevator and one medium for helicopters. You can use one catapult while recovering aircraft on CdG. Gorshkov cannot launch and recover at the same time since aircraft have to use more deck.

The CdG's advantage is it can launch bigger fixed wing aircraft like E-2C.
It can also launch bigger payloads making it 4-5X more effective loadouts.

Considering our ships are mainly air defence ships with anti-air and anti-shipping role with a lesser inclination for delivering strike packages on land and considering more than half the world's shipping happens in the Indian Ocean, what we are currently planning is more than enough for power projection.
It will certainly give you air cover for the fleet, but that isn't power projection. It is air DEFENCE.

Maybe 10 years later when we want to project power beyond the Indian Ocean we will need bigger carriers and better aircraft. The Naval MRCA is particularly meant for after 2017.
It isn't going to make a bit of difference if you don't get catapults. Cheers... I hope you get it.
 

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Maybe you could use the term "adequate" but hardly ideal. As a matter of fact the Vikramaditya will be costly to operate and maintain. Especially in relationship to its overall capabilities.
Definitely not superior, but over and above just adequate. Our budget can handle Gorky.

NOT... CdG has two catapults and two heavy lift elevators. Gorky has one ramp and one heavy lift elevator and one medium for helicopters. You can use one catapult while recovering aircraft on CdG. Gorshkov cannot launch and recover at the same time since aircraft have to use more deck.
If you look at Gorky's take off and landing procedures, she allows landing and take off simultaneously. But only for air to air equipped aircraft. We use arrestor gears at the back of the ship for landing.

It can also launch bigger payloads making it 4-5X more effective loadouts.
Considering the Mig-29ks can take off with KAB-500s, it's enough for us. We aren't trying to throw stage coaches off our carriers.

It will certainly give you air cover for the fleet, but that isn't power projection. It is air DEFENCE.
Anti-shipping capability comes into power projection. You are trying to make me repeat. At 100% fuel and 4 KH-31s or 2KH-35s it is more than enough capabilities to project power anywhere. Our current goal is power projection between Malacca and Hormuz strait.

It isn't going to make a bit of difference if you don't get catapults. Cheers... I hope you get it.
I hope I don't get catapults, I won't look pretty with that on my back.

Anyway the Navy is looking at catapults, and that would be on IAC-2 and above. As of today the finances won't allow catapults on the ships that are currently being completed.

Considering the Royal Navy will use STOBAR as well as CATOBAR on two different ships, we are doing something right.
 

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INS Vikramaditya May Not Arrive Even in 2012

Ahead of his last visit to India, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev got angry with the Sevmash Shipyard. He publicly scolded the Russian shipbuilder for delays in delivering the INS Vikramaditya, formerly the Admiral Gorshkov. Medvedev knew that India was tired of waiting for the 45,000 tonne aircraft carrier.

While his two day visit to Delhi this December was to better the bilateral relations, Moscow is aware that further delays in the INS Vikramaditya deal could be a set back to Russia-India defence ties and could sour future defence deals.

The original delivery date of August 2008 had been moved to late 2012. But given the work that must be completed before sea trials, Russia might not be able to deliver the warship even in 2012.

While the Indian Defence Ministry claims that the work on the warship is on schedule, the mooring trials are already delayed. The trials scheduled for November 2010 are unlikely to be held before mid-2011. A high level Indian Defence Team will inspect the carrier in January 2011 to evaluate the progress of refurbishment.

The delay would not only raise the costs, but also leave the Indian Navy without an aircraft carrier for the first time since the 1960's. The ageing INS Viraat will be decommissioned in 2012 and India's indigenous aircraft carrier (IAC) would be ready for sea trials only in 2014. Navy chief Admiral Nirmal Verma said the IAC could not be launched this year because of delays in supply of equipment.

"We do not expect the (Russian) aircraft carrier to be delivered to us by 2012 or early 2013," said a senior defence official, who is in the know about the refitting. "Simply because work on the warship is simply behind schedule".

The delay is not only because Sevmash under estimated the length of cabling (2500 kms of wires), but also because of the additional work brought about by the redesign. A modified Kiev-class ship, the Admiral Gorshkov was designed to operate helicopters and other aircraft that take off and land vertically. But India wanted a carrier with Short Take Off But Assisted Recovery (STOBAR) configuration. STOBAR would make the hybrid carrier / cruiser a pure aircraft carrier.

So all weaponry and missile launcher tubes were stripped from the ship's foredeck. The 280m flight deck will have a runway 198m long and 24m wide, ideal for operating Mig-29K fighter jets. As per STOBAR requirements, the runway will feature three arrester wires. There will also be a 130m hangar below the deck. The extensive re-fitting and conversion have been more complex and expensive than first envisioned.

Indian Defence Ministry officials confirmed that the anti-aircraft aircraft missile module selected for the carrier failed the trials and the refurbishment was concluded without the missile system. That implies that the carrier would not have an inbuilt close-in weapon system which detects and destroys incoming missiles.

In June 2010, a Navy team led by Vice Admiral N. N. Kumar controller of warship production and acquisition, examined the carrier at Sevmash. The team reportedly found that there was substantial progress since the last examination in September 2009 but there were several delays in scheduled refit tasks.

Later, Kumar met a team of experts and designers from the JSC United Shipbuilding Corporation, JSC Sevmash, Nevskoye Planning & Designing Bureau and Rosoboronexport.

"We told them to increase the pace of work if they wanted to meet the 2012 deadline," said a senior Navy officer. "The team found that almost 30% of the cabling work was pending".

The delay in structural work and cabling would further delay the trials. As per the extended deadline, the carrier should have been ready for sea trials now. Then there is the issue of the delayed mooring trials. "Northern Russia winters are long and harsh. We have to wait till atleast April 2011 for mooring trials," said a senior Naval officer.

To avoid further delay, Sevmash wanted to hold only one trial, but the Indian navy was not inn favour of that. The sea trials are expected to take approximately 18 months.

It was in the mid 1990's that Russia offered the warship as a 'gift' to India, linking the offer to it's repairing and re-equipping. The acquisition of 16 MiG-29K's was part of the package. The acquisition was approved in January 2004 and a total outlay of Rs 8,927 crores was sanctioned.

Russia agreed to repair and refit the deteriorating ship and deliver it by August 2008. When the ship was open for upgradation, it was found that the cabling was completely damaged. Ten months before the scheduled date of delivery, in November 2007, Russia requested extension till 2012, and increase in the contract cost. India, after three years of bitter wrangling with Russia, agreed to revise the refit cost to $2.33 billion, but linked the deal with 29 more MiG-29K's for $1.46 billion in March 2010.

An important part of the deal is to train a 1500 strong crew to repaid and maintain the refurbished carrier. Till December 2010, only around 200 Indian specialists, comprising officers, sailors and civilian personnel have been sent to Russia to monitor the work and train.

A lot hinges on this carrier. The Navy plans to deploy two carrier battle groups (CBG's) by 2015. The first CBG will be centred on Vikramaditya, and the 2nd on the 40,000 tonne IAC, which is under construction at the Cochin Shipyard. Vikramaditya with it's MiG-29K squadron, would considerably enhance the fire power of the Indian Navy. It is a vital component of India's global military strategy. But when will Vikramaditya join the Indian Navy ? ONLY RUSSIA KNOWS.

Defence News - INS Vikramaditya May Not Arrive Even in 2012
 

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INS Vikramaditya May Not Arrive Even in 2012

Ahead of his last visit to India, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev got angry with the Sevmash Shipyard. He publicly scolded the Russian shipbuilder for delays in delivering the INS Vikramaditya, formerly the Admiral Gorshkov. Medvedev knew that India was tired of waiting for the 45,000 tonne aircraft carrier.

While his two day visit to Delhi this December was to better the bilateral relations, Moscow is aware that further delays in the INS Vikramaditya deal could be a set back to Russia-India defence ties and could sour future defence deals.

The original delivery date of August 2008 had been moved to late 2012. But given the work that must be completed before sea trials, Russia might not be able to deliver the warship even in 2012.

While the Indian Defence Ministry claims that the work on the warship is on schedule, the mooring trials are already delayed. The trials scheduled for November 2010 are unlikely to be held before mid-2011. A high level Indian Defence Team will inspect the carrier in January 2011 to evaluate the progress of refurbishment.

The delay would not only raise the costs, but also leave the Indian Navy without an aircraft carrier for the first time since the 1960's. The ageing INS Viraat will be decommissioned in 2012 and India's indigenous aircraft carrier (IAC) would be ready for sea trials only in 2014. Navy chief Admiral Nirmal Verma said the IAC could not be launched this year because of delays in supply of equipment.

"We do not expect the (Russian) aircraft carrier to be delivered to us by 2012 or early 2013," said a senior defence official, who is in the know about the refitting. "Simply because work on the warship is simply behind schedule".

The delay is not only because Sevmash under estimated the length of cabling (2500 kms of wires), but also because of the additional work brought about by the redesign. A modified Kiev-class ship, the Admiral Gorshkov was designed to operate helicopters and other aircraft that take off and land vertically. But India wanted a carrier with Short Take Off But Assisted Recovery (STOBAR) configuration. STOBAR would make the hybrid carrier / cruiser a pure aircraft carrier.

So all weaponry and missile launcher tubes were stripped from the ship's foredeck. The 280m flight deck will have a runway 198m long and 24m wide, ideal for operating Mig-29K fighter jets. As per STOBAR requirements, the runway will feature three arrester wires. There will also be a 130m hangar below the deck. The extensive re-fitting and conversion have been more complex and expensive than first envisioned.

Indian Defence Ministry officials confirmed that the anti-aircraft aircraft missile module selected for the carrier failed the trials and the refurbishment was concluded without the missile system. That implies that the carrier would not have an inbuilt close-in weapon system which detects and destroys incoming missiles.

In June 2010, a Navy team led by Vice Admiral N. N. Kumar controller of warship production and acquisition, examined the carrier at Sevmash. The team reportedly found that there was substantial progress since the last examination in September 2009 but there were several delays in scheduled refit tasks.

Later, Kumar met a team of experts and designers from the JSC United Shipbuilding Corporation, JSC Sevmash, Nevskoye Planning & Designing Bureau and Rosoboronexport.

"We told them to increase the pace of work if they wanted to meet the 2012 deadline," said a senior Navy officer. "The team found that almost 30% of the cabling work was pending".

The delay in structural work and cabling would further delay the trials. As per the extended deadline, the carrier should have been ready for sea trials now. Then there is the issue of the delayed mooring trials. "Northern Russia winters are long and harsh. We have to wait till atleast April 2011 for mooring trials," said a senior Naval officer.

To avoid further delay, Sevmash wanted to hold only one trial, but the Indian navy was not inn favour of that. The sea trials are expected to take approximately 18 months.

It was in the mid 1990's that Russia offered the warship as a 'gift' to India, linking the offer to it's repairing and re-equipping. The acquisition of 16 MiG-29K's was part of the package. The acquisition was approved in January 2004 and a total outlay of Rs 8,927 crores was sanctioned.

Russia agreed to repair and refit the deteriorating ship and deliver it by August 2008. When the ship was open for upgradation, it was found that the cabling was completely damaged. Ten months before the scheduled date of delivery, in November 2007, Russia requested extension till 2012, and increase in the contract cost. India, after three years of bitter wrangling with Russia, agreed to revise the refit cost to $2.33 billion, but linked the deal with 29 more MiG-29K's for $1.46 billion in March 2010.

An important part of the deal is to train a 1500 strong crew to repaid and maintain the refurbished carrier. Till December 2010, only around 200 Indian specialists, comprising officers, sailors and civilian personnel have been sent to Russia to monitor the work and train.

A lot hinges on this carrier. The Navy plans to deploy two carrier battle groups (CBG's) by 2015. The first CBG will be centred on Vikramaditya, and the 2nd on the 40,000 tonne IAC, which is under construction at the Cochin Shipyard. Vikramaditya with it's MiG-29K squadron, would considerably enhance the fire power of the Indian Navy. It is a vital component of India's global military strategy. But when will Vikramaditya join the Indian Navy ? ONLY RUSSIA KNOWS.

Defence News - INS Vikramaditya May Not Arrive Even in 2012
when will the this AC arrive???
will it arrive before IAC-I Vikrant
 

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is it INS carrier or Chinese carrier? i can't read Chinese :D
It is INS Vikramaditya, I am surprised you didn't recongnize your own carrier.

The pictures were taken recently by some Russian military fan and then posted in a Chinese defence forum yesterday.

We can see how the refurbishing work is going on the carrier.
 

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INS Vikramaditya May Not Arrive Even in 2012

The delay would not only raise the costs, but also leave the Indian Navy without an aircraft carrier for the first time since the 1960's. The ageing INS Viraat will be decommissioned in 2012 and India's indigenous aircraft carrier (IAC) would be ready for sea trials only in 2014. Navy chief Admiral Nirmal Verma said the IAC could not be launched this year because of delays in supply of equipment.

Defence News - INS Vikramaditya May Not Arrive Even in 2012
There are more wrong information in this article. After latest Refit in INS Viraat the lifetime has been increased for the AC.. Check the below link

Indian Navy to decommission INS Viraat by 2018 - Brahmand.com

Even the information on IAC 1 is wrong. am digging for more info.
 

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Russia delivers another batch of naval fighters to India


Russia's MiG aircraft maker delivered a new batch of five MiG-29K/KUB carrier-based fighters to the Indian navy in May, the company said.

"A flight training simulator and other technical equipment has also been delivered," MiG said in a statement on Monday.

The two countries signed a contract stipulating the supply of 12 single-seat MiG-29Ks and four two-seat MiG-29KUBs to India in January 2004. The contract is part of a $1.5-billion deal to deliver the Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier, currently being retrofitted in Russia for the Indian Navy.

India's first four MiG-29Ks and MiG-29KUBs officially entered service in February 2010.

In March 2010, Russia and India signed a $1.5-billion contract on the supplies of 29 additional MiG-29K Fulcrum-D carrier-based fighter jets to New Delhi. The start of the supplies is scheduled for 2012.

The contracts for the jets also stipulate pilot training and aircraft maintenance, including the delivery of flight simulators and interactive ground and sea-based training systems.

The Indian Navy has named its MiG-29K squadron the "Black Panthers." The fighters will be based at an airfield in the state of Goa on India's west coast until the Admiral Gorshkov joins the Navy under the name of INS Vikramaditya in early 2013.

The Vikramaditya is expected to carry up to 24 MiG-29K/KUB fighters. The future indigenous aircraft carrier Vikrant being built by India may also carry these aircraft.




Read more: http://www.defencetalk.com/russia-mig-29k-naval-fighters-to-india-34583/#ixzz1NvAe0Oki
 

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Indian Navy all set to welcome INS Vikramaditya

The Indian Navy is all set to welcome the INS Vikramaditya. The navy set the ball rolling to integrate the aircraft carrier (earlier known as the Admiral Gorshkov) with its fleet as the warship, being redone at a Russian shipyard, readies to sail home in early 2013.

The integration plan was discussed at a recent meeting of naval commanders in New Delhi as some key "firsts" are associated with the ship. More than double the size of existing aircraft carrier INS Viraat, it will be the biggest warship ever to be operated by the Indian Navy. The second crucial aspect is that for the first time, the navy would be operating supersonic combat jets from the flight deck. Once it arrives, the naval fleet will have to be arranged around it, as the Vikramaditya would become the central platform.

The fleet rearrangement is also necessitated by the fact that the navy is in the middle of a modernisation drive as many warships are under construction. It is estimated that by the time the Vikramaditya joins the fleet, the navy would have added the remaining two of the state-of-the-art multirole Shivalik-class stealth frigates, the first of which has already been delivered. It would also have at least two new antisubmarine warfare corvettes. The navy will also get three new potent Talwar-class frigates, being built in Russia. In fact, close to 40 new warships are under construction at various shipyards in the country. This means that the fleet will not only grow in numbers but will also have modern warships.

Indian Navy all set to welcome INS Vikramaditya | idrw.org
 

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Indian Navy all set to welcome INS Vikramaditya

The Indian Navy is all set to welcome the INS Vikramaditya. The navy set the ball rolling to integrate the aircraft carrier (earlier known as the Admiral Gorshkov) with its fleet as the warship, being redone at a Russian shipyard, readies to sail home in early 2013.

The integration plan was discussed at a recent meeting of naval commanders in New Delhi as some key "firsts" are associated with the ship. More than double the size of existing aircraft carrier INS Viraat, it will be the biggest warship ever to be operated by the Indian Navy. The second crucial aspect is that for the first time, the navy would be operating supersonic combat jets from the flight deck. Once it arrives, the naval fleet will have to be arranged around it, as the Vikramaditya would become the central platform.

The fleet rearrangement is also necessitated by the fact that the navy is in the middle of a modernisation drive as many warships are under construction. It is estimated that by the time the Vikramaditya joins the fleet, the navy would have added the remaining two of the state-of-the-art multirole Shivalik-class stealth frigates, the first of which has already been delivered. It would also have at least two new antisubmarine warfare corvettes. The navy will also get three new potent Talwar-class frigates, being built in Russia. In fact, close to 40 new warships are under construction at various shipyards in the country. This means that the fleet will not only grow in numbers but will also have modern warships.

Indian Navy all set to welcome INS Vikramaditya : North: India Today
 

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We have an 50 year old Aircraft Carrier and now we have an 35year old Carrier! This is quite new by IN standards? :D
 

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Indian Navy all set to welcome INS Vikramaditya

The Indian Navy is all set to welcome the INS Vikramaditya. The navy set the ball rolling to integrate the aircraft carrier (earlier known as the Admiral Gorshkov) with its fleet as the warship, being redone at a Russian shipyard, readies to sail home in early 2013.
2008, then 2012 and now it's 2013 ! At this rate we'll get the brand new Vikrant before the Vikramaditya !
 

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