INS Vikramaditya (Adm Gorshkov) aircraft carrier

[bsn4u1985]

look at this................

 

[blade]

Friends everything comes at a price especially when its about freedom. Currntly india is striving for a freedom of a different kind. Rapid indigenization and ever incrising demand of very high tech equipments for indian defence is slowly but steadily dragging india away from russia. Apart from israel, russia is still india's real source of high tech equiments and
knowledge for further indigenization. How many nations have leased their SSN's to some other nuke power untill now? How many nations are ready to offer their best fighter jets to another country even before they induct it for themselves? The list will be endless but answar will be Russia ( USSR ) and recipient will be India. Another 15 years and Indian direct import from russian defence equipents will be drastically minimized. So its not surprizing that russia is trying to squize out the last few drops from india. We should not be much worried about this. All we should be trying currently is to attach every such weak deal with a major game changing aquisition from russia. As we are getting akula II on lease & this aquisition will be qualitatively very much different from the earlier procurement of akula I which was carrying soviet experts on board. Akula II lease will also carry an option for future purchase. We should prepare ourselves for more of such Goroshkov type deals which will be hard to understand from a logical point of view but when the restriction on hightech defence material is kept in mind it could be considered as a free gift.

 

[Quickgun Murugan]

India to pay around $2.2 billion for Gorshkov's refit to end wrangling

The protracted bitter wrangling over huge cost escalation in aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov, which caused a distinct chill in theexpansive Indo-Russian defence ties, is virtually over now.

After three Indian delegations visited Russia one after the other last month, the two sides came together in New Delhi on Tuesday-Wednesday for the `firm and final' price negotiations to break the festering deadlock.

"We are confident the total cost for Gorshkov's refit will be pegged somewhere around $2.2 billion,'' said a top Indian official.

India has already managed to `reduce' the $600 million figure being asked by Russia for the 44,570-tonne Gorshkov's year-long sea trials in the Barents Sea slated for 2011-2012.

While most of the trials will still be held in Russia, apart from training of Indian pilots for MiG-29K take-offs and landings from Russian carrier Admiral Kuznetsov, some will now be conducted in Indian waters to cut costs.

Defence minister A K Antony, on his part, told Parliament on Wednesday that "acceptance trials'' for delivery of Gorshkov, rechristened INS Vikramaditya, to India are `expected to be completed' in December 2012.

India, of course, is banking upon Gorshkov for its long-standing aim to have two operational `carrier battle-groups' by 2015 or so, with the other carrier, a 40,000-tonne indigenous warship, being built at Cochin Shipyard.

Incidentally, during a recent visit to Sevmash Shipyard in north Russia where Gorshkov is berthed, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said the delay in the carrier's upgradation was `the sole irritant' in Indo-Russian relations.

As first reported by TOI, the new contract for repair and re-equipping of Gorshkov -- for which India has already paid $602 million till now -- will be one of the first big defence procurements to be cleared by UPA-2 towards end-July or early-August.

That will finally bring closure to Gorshkov's controversy-ridden saga, which began in the mid-1990s with Russia offering the second-hand, partly-burnt carrier as "a free gift''. The condition was that India would pay for its refit as well as the MiG-29K fighters to operate from its deck.

The $1.5-billion contract was finally inked in January 2004, with the carrier refit costing $974 million and the rest for 16 MiG-29Ks. Under it, Gorshkov was to be delivered by August 2008.

But then came the shocker. Russia in mid-2007 demanded another $1.2 billion for Gorshkov's refit in addition to the initial $974 million, apart from pushing back its delivery to December 2012, holding that work on it had been "grossly under-estimated'' earlier.

Though after much heart-burn, India eventually agreed, more was to follow. Russia last year said it now wanted $2 billion more for refit, taking the total cost to around $2.9 billion. India, of course, wants the figure down to the $2.2-billion mark.

ASIAN DEFENCE: India to pay around $2.2 billion for Gorshkov's refit to end wrangling

 

[enlightened1]

look at this................

Nice.., could you get a higher resolution one?
Thanks

 

[KaFka]

Indian Aircraft Carrier INS Vikramaditya

YouTube - India's Aircraft Carrier INS Vikramaditya [formerly Admiral Gorshkov] 01 of 02

YouTube - India's Aircraft Carrier INS Vikramaditya [formerly Admiral Gorshkov] 02 of 02



Anyone here know Russian please translate what they are saying.:thank_you2:

 

[bengalraider]

gorshkov on google earth sep 14 2009

 

[bengalraider]

somewhat unrelated but still awesome!

one more view form Google earth check out the Typhoon class SSBN beside the vikramaditya, now that's a submarine!:goodstuff:
compare the borei to it and the borei looks like a kid

 

[bengalraider]

The Google earth photo confirms my suspicions that the flight deck is not ready the gorshkov still has a lot of work left we aren't getting this ship anytime soon.

 

[Vladimir79]

The Google earth photo confirms my suspicions that the flight deck is not ready the gorshkov still has a lot of work left we aren't getting this ship anytime soon.

What, do you think Goolge Earth imagery is updated every day, or even every month?? Russia is often the last place to get updates. You are lucky if that picture isn't two years old. The flight deck coating is one of the last things to finish since they don't want to damage the special coating once it is done.

 

[bengalraider]

What, do you think Goolge Earth imagery is updated every day, or even every month?? Russia is often the last place to get updates. You are lucky if that picture isn't two years old. The flight deck coating is one of the last things to finish since they don't want to damage the special coating once it is done.

the imagery date is the approximate time at which the image was taken , in this case the date says sep 14 2009 i.e 2 months ago.

 

[Vladimir79]

the imagery date is the approximate time at which the image was taken , in this case the date says sep 14 2009 i.e 2 months ago.

Apologies, I never bothered to upgrade google earth. The fact still remains, the deck coating is the last application to be made. You can see the deck is already laid. There is no concern to be made from the photograph.

 

[RAM]

Gorshkov price deal unlikely during PM's visit to Russia



No end seems to be in sight in the protracted price negotiation for Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier and the deal is unlikely to be clinched even during Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's visit to Moscow next month, increasing uncertainty over its timely delivery in 2012.
"No, it will not," Defence Minister A K Antony told reporters in New Delhi on Friday on the sidelines of an Institute of Defence Studies and Analyses (IDSA) event, when asked if the price deal would be concluded during the Prime Minister's State visit to Russia in December.



Defence Ministry officials, when queried about the price talks, said only two defence agreements would be signed during the Prime Minister visit to Russia...to extend military and technical cooperation by another 10 years to 2020, and for assured after-sales maintenance and spare parts supply of Russian defence equipment used by the Indian Armed Forces. The Russians have been demanding an additional USD 2.9 billion for the 45,000-tonne Gorshkov. "The talks for a new price could go into next year," the officials said, when asked when it would conclude. The Kiev-class warship, for which India signed a contract with Russia in 2004 for USD 974 million, was originally scheduled for delivery in 2008




Gorshkov price deal unlikely during PM's visit to Russia

 

[RAM]

Induction of Admiral Gorshkov

The Russian side had submitted a revised Master Schedule indicating delay and increase in prices for repair and re-equipping of aircraft carrier ex-Admiral Gorshkov. The Government has agreed to conduct negotiations for finalizing a revised Repair and Re-equipping contract. Negotiations are in progress with the Russian side. Details of final prices would be known only after completion of these negotiations.

An exhaustive list of equipment to be fitted on the ship was included in the original contract. The Aircraft Carrier is scheduled to be inducted in December, 2012.

This information was given by Defence Minister Shri AK Antony in a written reply to Shri Prabodh Panda and others in Lok Sabha today.


:: Bharat-Rakshak.com - Indian Military News Headlines ::

 

[RAM]

MiG-29Ks for Gorshkov aircraft carrier arrive in India

New Delhi: Ending a year-long wait, the first batch of MiG-29K naval fighter jets, purchased from Russia for the Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier, arrived in Goa Friday evening, three years ahead of the warship. These MiG-29Ks are part of the 16 ordered for USD 526 million in 2004 along with Gorshkov, which is expected to be delivered to the Indian Navy only by 2012-end.


"The first batch of the MiG-29K fighters' parts have landed in INS Hansa, the naval air station in Goa, last evening," Navy spokesperson Commander PVS Satish said here on Saturday. The aircraft parts, packed in containers in a knocked down condition, landed here by an AN-124 cargo aircraft, considered to be the biggest operational military aircraft of Russian-Ukrainian origin.

Now, Navy's aviation engineers would assemble the aircraft at the Goa air base, where it would be stationed and operated from land till the time Gorshkov enters service.

They would also be test flown from Goa by Russian engineers before they are formally inducted into the naval aviation wing. These aircraft had recently completed carrier flight deck testing and weapon trials in Russia.

Meanwhile, the Navy has decided to place a follow-on order for the MiG-29Ks from Russia and it could purchase an additional 29 aircraft soon, taking the total number of the carrier-borne fighter jets to 45.

Though the aircraft is meant for Gorskkov, Navy is keeping its options of operating it aboard the indigenous aircraft carrier under construction at Kochi too, if the DRDO fails to operationalise the naval variant of the indigenous 'Tejas' Light Combat Aircraft (LCA).

Expecting the naval LCA to be delayed beyond its scheduled delivery in 2013, the Navy has already issued a global Request for Information (RFI) recently for a new class of carrier- borne fighter aircraft to aviation majors such as Boeing, D'Assault and MiG.

MiG-29Ks for Gorshkov aircraft carrier arrive in India

 

[RAM]

India, Russia reach broad agreement on Gorshkov price

India and Russia have reached a broad agreement to break the logjam over the protracted price renegotiation over the Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier deal, official sources said on Sunday.

Sources said the general agreement being worked out is to the mutual satisfaction of the two countries, who have been unable to attain a finality on the deal after India decided to buy the aircraft carrier re-christened as INS Vikramaditya.

Sources indicated that the deal may no longer be a festering sour in bilateral relations.

Sources, however, said any pact in this regard is unlikely to be signed after Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s summit talks with Russian President Dmitry Medvedev on Monday during his official visit to Russia beginning Sunday.

Ahead of the visit, the Prime Minister voiced confidence of finding a “practical solution” to resolve the problem dogging the deal.

Navy chief Admiral Nirmal Verma said earlier this week that the protracted price renegotiation for the Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier is in final stages but refused to set a deadline for clinching the deal.

“We are in the final stages. Fourth round of talks on fresh price is going on at present to fix the tasks needed on Gorshkov and the costs,” Admiral Verma had said when asked if negotiations would be over before the Prime Minister’s visit
The Hindu : News / National : India, Russia reach broad agreement on Gorshkov price

 

[RAM]

India to shell out $2.5 bn for Gorshkov

NEW DELHI: Even as PM Manmohan Singh arrived in Russia on Sunday, the protracted and bitter wrangling about the huge cost escalation in the refit of aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov is virtually over now. Though the fresh contract for repair and re-equipping of Gorshkov will not be inked during the PM’s visit, India and Russia have now reached an agreement to break the logjam, which caused a distinct chill in the expansive Indo-Russian defence ties.

‘‘India is likely to shell out around $2.5 billion and get the carrier by early-2013,’’ said a source. Incidentally, Navy chief Admiral Nirmal Verma last Wednesday stated that the fourth round of CNC (contract negotiations committee) was underway to decide the refit’s final price. ‘‘We are in the final stages now,’’ he said. Having already paid over $600 million for the ongoing refit of the 44,570-tonne Gorshkov at the Sevmash Shipyard in north Russia, India has rechristened it INS Vikramaditya, as reported by TOI earlier. India is banking upon Gorshkov for its long-standing aim to have two operational ‘carrier battle-groups (CBGs)’ by 2015 or so. The other CBG will be centred around the 40,000-tonne IAC (indigenous aircraft carrier) being built at Cochin Shipyard.

When the fresh Gorshkov contract is finally signed, it will bring closure to its controversy-ridden saga, which began in the mid-1990s with Russia offering the second-hand, partly-burnt carrier as a ‘‘free gift’’. The condition was that India would pay for its refit as well as the MiG-29K fighters to operate from its deck. The $1.5 billion contract was finally inked in January 2004, with the carrier refit costing $974 million and the rest for 16 MiG-29Ks. Under it, Gorshkov was to be delivered by August 2008.

Russia in mid-2007, however, demanded another $1.2 billion for Gorshkov’s refit in addition to the initial $974 million, apart from pushing back its delivery to December 2012, holding that work on it had been ‘‘grossly under-estimated’’ earlier. Though after much heartburn India eventually agreed, more was to follow. Russia last year said it now wanted $2 billion more, taking the total refit cost to around $2.9 billion. India wants the figure pegged closer to the $2.2 billion mark.

Incidentally, even while the Navy will have to wait till 2013 to get Gorshkov, the first four of the 16 MiG-29Ks arrived in India a few days ago.

India to shell out $2.5 bn for Gorshkov- Politics/Nation-News-The Economic Times

 

[bengalraider]

India, Russia reach agreement on Gorskhkov, to ink nuke deal tomorrow​

PTI 6 December 2009, 06:59pm IST
India, Russia reach agreement on Gorskhkov, to ink nuke deal tomorrow - India - The Times of India

MOSCOW: India and Russia have reached a broad agreement to break the logjam over the protracted price renegotiation over Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier and the two sides are expected to sign a landmark civil nuclear pact during summit talks between Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and President Dmitry Medvedev tomorrow.

Seeking to resolve the Gorshkov price issue, an irritant in bilateral ties, the two countries have worked out a general agreement, sources said. A pact in this regard, however, is unlikely to be signed during Singh's visit here.

The Prime Minister arrived here on a three-day visit, his sixth trip to Russia since 2004, that will also see the inking of three agreements in the field of defence, including one for ending ad-hocism in servicing Russian military equipment.

As a special gesture, the Russian President will host a private dinner for Singh and his wife Gursharan Kaur at his countryside residence in Barvikha outside Moscow.

The path-breaking civil nuclear pact is significant as it will ensure uninterrupted uranium fuel supplies from Russia in the event of termination of bilateral ties in this field for any reason, the sources said.

The agreement is considered by India as a "major improvement" over the 123 pact with the US which provides for not just termination of ongoing cooperation but also for the return to the country of already supplied components and fuel in the event of the accord being scrapped.

 

[Rage]

Who said a final agreement on the Gorshkhov wasn't on the cards?:


India-Russia resolve price dispute over aircraft carrier

06/12/2009

Moscow/New Delhi: India and Russia have finalized a price "satisfactory" to both sides for the refitting and delivery of the Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier, thus ending a prolonged standoff over the key defence deal, official sources said Sunday.

"We are close to finalize the agreement (on the aircraft carrier)," an official told IANS in New Delhi.

The comments come as Prime Minister Manmohan Singh arrived in Moscow on a three-day official visit during which the two sides are expected to sign a framework civil nuclear cooperation agreement and three defence pacts.

However, officials travelling with the prime minister in Moscow said the two sides have decided no "heal up the festering wound" and would no longer be a "sore" in bilateral relationship between the two countries.

"The festering wound (over the price issue of aircraft carrier) has been healed up. It will no longer be a sore in the India-Russia relations. The two countries have finalized a mutually satisfactory price tag," the official, privy to the development, said.

He said it was unlikely that the deal will be signed during Manmohan Singh's three-day trip to Moscow but "will be inked soon in the next few months".

Indian and Russian defence officials have been negotiating the price for the purchase of the refurbished $2.2-billion aircraft carrier for over a decade.

Moscow is now asking on $2.9 billion for the aircraft carrier, nearly thrice the price that was originally agreed between the two sides in 2004. But New Delhi wanted the price to be scaled back to $2.1 billion.

The official did not disclose what that "satisfactory price" was but said it is "between what the two countries where negotiating over".

Delays in refitting the Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier and huge cost overruns have been a particular concern with India. It had also put at unease the otherwise time-tested relationship between the former cold war allies.

A senior official of the Prime Minister's Office, accompanying Manmohan Singh, said India considers Russia as the "most important partner in several areas like defence, space, civil nuclear, and oil".

"Defence cooperation with Russia is the most important and it exists on its own merits," the official said.


India-Russia resolve price dispute over aircraft carrier - 1 -  National News ? News ? MSN India

 

[venom]

2.5 billion $.......... i can sense 2nd AKULA-II comin 2 India in the next few years...........The deal must be the cover for the payment of lease amount of 2nd Akula-II

 

[Sridhar]

India-Russia settle Gorshkov price

07 December 2009


New Delhi: Indications are that a long argument between India and Russia over the new pricing for aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov's refit programme may have finally drawn to a close with both sides agreeing to a figure of $2.5 billion.

This would be more than the $2.2 billion that India is apparently willing to agree to, and less than $2.9 billion, which the Russians may be adamant about.
As reported earlier, it now seems certain that a final agreement on the Admiral Gorshkov would only be signed with premier Vladimir Putin's visit to India next year.
Such indications are materialising after intensive negotiations by the CNC (contract negotiations committee), which has held four rounds of negotiations, and is now in the ''final stages,'' of securing an agreement, according to Indian Navy chief, Admiral Nirmal Verma, .

India has so far paid over $600 million for the refit of the 44,570-tonne Adm Gorshkov/INS Vikramaditya. The refit programme is underway at the Russian Sevmash Shipyard.

INS Vikramaditya
Admiral Gorshkov was in active service with the Russian Navy till 1992. It suffered a boiler room accident at one stage, which necessitated some extensive repairs. It returned to active service for a brief while, before retiring from service on the collapse of the Soviet Union.
Indian Navy delegations assessed the ship to be in good material state before they agreed to a refit programme. Modernisation of her machinery, systems, electronics, ski-jump and arrester gear is expected to extend the effective life of the ship by another 25 years.
If this should appear to be a tall order, then we need to take a look at the in-service carrier INS Viraat. At the time of her purchase, UK's Royal Navy estimated that she would at most serve another seven years. Thanks to the ingenuity and dedication of Indian Navy crew and dockyard technicians the ship has already served for 20 years, and after her latest refit, will serve out another decade before she retires.
After her refit programme, 70 per cent of INS Vikramaditya's equipment would be new and the rest renovated. She will be equipped with state-of-the –art electronics and communication equipment.
The 44,5000 tonne ship will boast of a speed of 29 knots and a range of 7000 nautical miles. She will be able to sustain operations at sea for over 45 days.
Her habitability would be far superior as compared to the original ship, with upgraded accommodation.
With her 14 degree ski-jump and three arrester wires the ship will be able to operate fourth generation MiG-29K fighters, as well as a complement of Kamov-28 and Kamov-31 choppers.
The indigenously manufactured Chetak/ALH helicopters, as well as the Tejas Light Combat Aircraft, along with older acquisitions, such as Sea Harriers and Sea King choppers will all be able to operate from her deck.
Under the current refit programme under way at Sevmash, the surface missiles have been removed from the flight deck of the Admiral Gorshkov to fit a ski-jump.
The MiG-29K is a fourth generation fighter and boasts of state-of the–art fly-by-wire controls, modern avionics suite, a glass cockpit and STOBAR (short take-off but arrested recovery) facility.
It will carry a wide variety of armaments and also carry out mid-air refuelling. The fighter receives greater thrust from a new electronic digital engine control system and an increased engine life.
The avionics will be comparable with any contemporary fighter.

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