@p2prada
You went on a nice rant.
Majority of your post is riddled with one liner's , the other Half has gapping misinformation.
Arjun Flunked at Trials ?
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Army Decides to Take 124 More MBT Arjun(5/17/2010 12:55:48 PM)
The Army has decided to place fresh order for an additional home-built 124 Main Battle Tank (MBT) Arjun. This is over and above the existing order of 124 tanks. The development follows the success of the indigenous MBT Arjun in the recent gruelling desert trials.
The project for the design and development of the MBT Arjun was approved by the Government in 1974 with an aim to give the required indigenous cutting edge to our Mechanised Forces. After many years of trial and tribulation it has now proved its worth by its superb performance under various circumstances, such as driving cross-country over rugged sand dunes, detecting, observing and quickly engaging targets, accurately hitting targets – both stationary and moving, with pin pointed accuracy. Its superior fire-power is based on accurate and quick target acquisition capability during day and night in all types of weather and shortest possible reaction time during combat engagements.
Sitanshu Kar / RAJ
Release Id :61870
Obviously this was
preceded by this
MBT Arjun(4/26/2010 7:54:05 PM)
The decision on the further order of the MBT Arjun tanks would be based on the results of recently concluded comparative trials of MBT Arjun and T-90 tanks.
Certain components of MBT Arjun are imported based on the indigenous design of their configurations. The other systems are indigenously designed and produced.
This information was given by Defence Minister Shri AK Antony in a written reply to Shri S Semmalai and Shri GS Basavaraj in Lok Sabha today.
PK / RAJ
Release Id :60943
And then of Course
Followed by this
Arjun Tanks(8/9/2010 6:16:38 PM)
The Indian Army is placing an order for 124 Arjun Tanks Mark – II in addition to the equal number of Mark – I ordered earlier. Tank T-90, Tank T-72, and Arjun tanks are all main battle tanks of the Indian Army.
This information was given by Defence Minister Shri AK Antony in a written reply to Shri BP Tarai and Shri Prabodh Panda in Lok Sabha today.
HH / RAJ
Release Id :64467
There are Valid logistics reasons against the Arjun , The round needed for the Arjun still has not been produced in sufficient quantity for spares.
Production line is slow. Most likely doubt still exist of the Manufacturing quality.
But all those improve or are solved by increasing the number of orders.
I am sure there are valid weigh issues.
But nothing i have seen so far tells me a reason as to why the Arjun tank needs to be limited to small scale orders while thousands of T-72 get upgrades for their Antiquated designs.
Modernisation of T-72 Tanks Vis-a-Vis Arjun Tanks(8/25/2010 4:35:11 PM)
The Army follows a philosophy of having a mix of legacy equipment, equipment with matured technology and state-of-the-art equipment. T-72 tank is not an antiquated equipment. Therefore, the Army intends to retrofit/upgrade these tanks to enhance their mission reliability and life expectancy.
Orders for 124 Main Battle Tank (MBT) Arjun have already been placed on the Heavy Vehicles Factory, Avadi. As on date, 85 MBT Arjun Tanks have been issued to the Army. Keeping in view the production capacity for MBT Arjun Tanks and strategic considerations, the Government is also exercising the option for modernising T-72 tanks instead of total replacement of these tanks on completion of their life span.
This information was given by Defence Minister Shri AK Antony in written reply to Shri MV Mysura Reddy in Rajya Sabha today.
DM / RAJ
Release Id :65237
Lets be real ,
The Army only accepted the first 124 Arjun Tanks when , they met the requirements it laid out for induction.
Then they only accepted further orders based on trial results.
Then they order 124 Arjuns
then Mod Sanctions Arjun MK-II
Army then Places order for 124 Arjun MKII
This is our so called failed Tank development , These Tanks The army keeps ordering.
Despite trying so hard not to for the last 10 years. I will admit it had problems for 8 of those 10.
If it's so much fail tank , why they want to put more soldiers in these deathbox's.
And why these Soldiers not coming out demanding better tanks. One fellow goes to Media about poor quality of Arjun it will become a headline.
Why no one has done.
With 84 tanks already in service , there have been no negative opinions regarding the tank
Sure the Army much better option in the Vintage T-72 and the Ultra-Modern State of the Art T-90.
If Arjun is so fail why has our un-corruptible Armed forces placed orders for 376 Arjun tanks as of Dec 21st 2010.
In all likelihood there will be at least another 124 tanks. Bringing the total orders to 500.
While at the same time we will be inducting 1000 T-90's by 2020.
Funny how every body is criticizing the Army's decision on Arjun while the IAF's decision on the LCA is not questioned.
Army -
Arjun is a failure. We will induct only 124. Build a MK2 version by 2016 and we will think about it. But give us the FMBT.
Civilians = Ah! Army is corrupt. Generals are a fail. Rant, rant, wail, wail etc etc.
Air Force-
LCA is a good project. We don't want it as of now since engine is underpowered and some things need to be tweaked and blah blah blah. We will induct a squadron or 2 of Mk1. But we are willing to wait for the Mk2 version by 2016 and then decide. But we want the AMCA.
Civilians = Oh! look how good they are. They "may" buy Mk2. Whooppee! Air force seems better than the army at indigenous projects.
ROTFLMAO!
Funny how the media reacts to direct statements of the Army rejecting Arjun Mk1 negatively while the indirect statements of the Air Force rejecting LCA Mk1 are taken with great positivity. Live in your delusion. Cheers.
Your not telling the whole truth there.
For one thing the Army has taken every move possible for stooping further induction of Arjun tanks right up to the trials with the t-90.
Limiting orders to 124 , why ?
No interest in upgrades.
While at the same time inducting thousands of foreign tanks.
And Upgrading even older foreign tanks in the thousands.
None of these are much better , if better at all than the Arjun.
Air Force has made its intentions on the LCA clear from the get go , there were no limiting of orders to said numbers.
They were always looking for upgrades , Even now they are trying to getting LCA-MKII as fast as possible,
This is very evident if you look at their opposition to the Kaveri-Schema tie up , which they saw as possibly delaying MKII.
The Fact that they wanted an Of the shelf engine to ensure quick delivery is evidence of their intent for the MKII.
OF Course the Air forces is getting the MMRCA aircarft as well , a large number of them, But all of them are clearly so much superior to the LCA its hardly comparable.
There is no argument in favor of the LCA against the MMRCA, the air force has the opportunity to purchase and use one of the most sophisticated machines on the planet , while at the same time giving India Political , economic and technological benefit. All this while they have been Talking working towards the LCA and Planning the AMCA .
The Air force has put it clearly the LCA is better than the Mig-21, they will induct and replace.
What the hell does India get from T-90's , a tank that is barely better than the Arjun if not worse.
While at the same time we have Hundreds of T72's that could be replaced , but are instead upgraded.
The T-72 is hardly even Comparable to the Arjun, yet the Order was capped at 124 , while they though of ways to upgrade the antiquated junk for few more decades.
While they sat on the Arjun which is just better.
Up until the trials this year , the Arjun has been criticized , it's future thrown into question by countless people Which includes the Army. Stuck with a Bleak order book limited to just 124.
After the Trials , whatever happened , believe whatever side you want.
All i know is that order book has Doubled.
All criticism seems to have disappeared.
An Arjun Mk-II was sanction , and received firm orders for 124 tanks soon after.
Anyone can intuitively tell what has changed.