they forget to add FMBT should fly and supercruise. :emot0:Lighter than T72:funny_2: More capable than Arjun.
All is set to kill Arjun forever. RIP to Arjun
I do not think Zittara ever went into mass production after the carbine procurement scam.No these are not mine but a close friend of mine..
Those are TAR-21s, I never saw zittara though i heard it will have some minor changes in looks..
Here's what the US has already achieved ...Russians don't have a tactical laser that will fit on a tank. No one does... They will sell all the Arena you are willing to buy, even ToT can be had for the right price. Secret is out, no one wants it.
France is building the world's most powerful laser 2012.
How will you mount a 50kw laser on a tank? Can't be done in this generation.
This kind of comment is based more on patriotic zeal and lack of understanding of technology capabilities. The top 20 laboratories in the world for Laser research are in the USA. The top 10 companies in Laser technology are based in the USA. The best scientists, engineers and technicians are based in the USA. Those who have not seen the technology base in the USA cannot understand the sheer size, effectiveness and innovation that goes on in the US. Military technology wise, no other country (or combination of countries even) come even close to the US.So what if US does not have high power laser as active defensive suit. it is not compulsory that US will always make a the latest equipment in the defense technology field. US is not anyone`s godfather that a nation has to take permission from him to make new weapons. So please dont give these excuses that if US doesnt have something then it means that India can never develop that tach.
This report seems a lot more grounded in reality.Indian MoD Reports Steps Toward New Tank
NEW DELHI - Requirements for the Indian Army's Future Main Battle Tank (FMBT) have been finalized, the Defence Ministry here announced Dec. 6, and the tank will be developed by the government's Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) by 2020.
The Army has completed its Preliminary Staff Qualitative Requirement for the tank, according to the ministry's official statement. The DRDO is carrying out FMBT feasibility studies. Defence Minister A.K. Antony told the Indian parliament of these developments Dec. 6, the statement said.
Sources in the Indian Army said the proposed tank will be in the 40-metric-tons category and will be mounted with a 125mm gun. Six prototypes will be developed by 2020 before the FMBT enters bulk production.
The tank will be difficult to detect by enemy radar, according to the Army's requirements.
Other advanced features will include capability to fire kinetic weapons and missiles, an active protection system, and hybrid armor to protect the tank against improvised explosive devices. The tank will be capable of night combat operations, surveillance and reconnaissance, and strategic mobility. It will have a third-generation transmission system, integrated fire-control system with laser finders, battlefield management system and mine-detection system.
The FMBT project is a follow-up of the Indian-built Arjun main battle tank project, which started in 1973, though the tank has yet to be adopted by the Army for combat.
http://defensenews.com/story.php?i=5173869&c=ASI&s=LAN
Brother let me say this if Russian or Western countries make this FMBT, some people will jump with joy, if DRDO/OFB makes this then they will say it needs to go to moon on its own and fight the battles their.This report seems a lot more grounded in reality.
But they do ask for low observable and light weight.
Difficult but should be possible. We already have the Hybrid Armour.
Active protection system will be an issue , probably bring in Israel on that one.
I am still not sure about the whole laser defense thing though , even if they miniaturize it enough , i don't think it would work fast enough , it would also have power issue's.
One more issue is that when you detonate something with a laser the explosion still travel's in the direction of the projectile leaving the tank perceptible to shrapnel , and i would assume kinetic warheads also may defeat the system.
My best guess is they would need something like a two tiered defense , taking out missiles at a long range with the laser(is possible), using Something like the Israile trophy system for tank rounds and RPG's
I don't know what they mean by a mine detection system however. Is that feasible ?
In all our discussions with you, ppgj and myself. I was always saying modern armies are moving towards smaller and more efficient tanks, similar to what Russia has always practised. This is not going to change.In my view FMBT is not neeeded, Arjun MK-1 can be updated:
Addon Armour can be applied as done with LEOA4 upgrade..
120 smooth-bore can be installed..
New 1500hp engine can be Installed..
Over all Engine, Firepower and Armour all can upgraded..
Besides it doesn't make sense to reduce Armour where other countries are add more Armour..
Did Styker Replaced M1 ?In all our discussions with you, ppgj and myself. I was always saying modern armies are moving towards smaller and more efficient tanks, similar to what Russia has always practised. This is not going to change.
Only prototypes..The 40 Ton tank is needed. The US is going for 40 tons tanks too and Russia has always been operating 40 tons tanks. This time we will go for smaller 2 man crews.
How u r going to take out a enemy tank without airsupport/ATGM on open field?Hit avoidance is the mantra.
Arjun MK1 is no test bed..Arjun only exists as a test bed now to develop newer technologies. The Arjun Mk2 will also be ditched for the new tank. Also, a 40 tons tank means there will be no major change in doctrine since it is not much different from the T series.
As per available details of the technology ; probably mine detection system may comprise of UAV equipped with Minefield Detection System (ASTAMIDS) http://defense-update.com/products/a/07122010_astamids.htmlI don't know what they mean by a mine detection system however. Is that feasible ?
Stryker has nothing to do with new generation MBTs like the American 40 tons tank that we already have seen a video about.Did Styker Replaced M1 ?
Slat Armour and Era are not answer to repeated anti-tank attacks and 8-14KG IEDs
"Lighter" for obvious reasons while "capable" includes the ability to fight off IEDs and multiple anti-tank rounds.the Army wants its futuristic tank to be lighter and more capable than that of the present ones in its inventory
PAKFA is a prototype too. That does not disprove the science involved. These things take time. BTW, The Russians do have 40 ton tanks. So those are not prototypes.Only prototypes..
Dunno if it has anything to do with our discussion. We don't know if the new American MBT has DU armour as well, or they came up with something better.Btw M1 got heaver Uranium depleted Armour on front..
You have to elaborate your point. The statement is too vague.How u r going to take out a enemy tank without airsupport/ATGM on open field?
It is our first tank and it a 100% test bed for all our indigenous technologies, to which I must add, not much of it is involved. Engine, Transmission, Tracks, FCS, 90% of the Electronics etc are all imported. It is barely matured, heck we cannot even export it if we wanted to; too many critical foreign parts.Arjun MK1 is no test bed..
Arjun is a matured system for operational use..
Nothing to do with the FMBT. Saying M1A is better than the Patton does not take away the fact that a newer more sophisticated tank compared to M1 is required.Arjun MK-1 is way better than T - types of today..
Yes. While the Mk1 handles critical indigenous equipment, the Mk2 will be a test bed for newer technologies which may be incorporated into the FMBT, perhaps a decent amount of automation will be involved, like making the turret automated.Btw, MK-2 is more a test bed for new technology like hardkill system equipped with lasers, Lighter Armour with slat Armour..
The world is changing. Earlier armour was defined by heavy and light, in the future it will be defined by weak and strong. So, a lighter armour may not mean weaker armour. However it does not necessarily mean weight no longer plays a part.How lighter Armour can take modern 120mm Rounds..
Don't think so. If we get most of the critical technologies like Engines, Tracks, Guns(and FCS) and newer manufacturing technologies right on the Arjun, then the FMBT will be our own product. Your resentment of the army's decisions has only been because the Arjun failed to produce required results and your disbelief at its failure as a viable tank development. Your opinion regarding their lack of foresight has not affected their priorities.In the end I may agree that in future IA might ditch MK-2 and buy foreign tanks ( Western )
My statement has nothing to do with tank strength and numbers manufactured. It is more to do with the design philosophy of tanks for modern tank doctrines. The USSR got the concept right, but managed their best with the technology of the time.How can we campare ourself with USSR. USSR had approx 40,000 tanks against 10,000 NATO tanks. We have 4,000 tanks against pakistan's 3,000 tanks. USSR can manufacture 5,000 tanks per year and we 10 tanks (example: T90).
I hardly doubt it.I am 100% sure that IA will change the GSEQ for a 60 tonn FMBT in 2015.
Then they cannot protect your country as they have been doing till now.IA seems to have little vision and donot have flexibility to adapt new technology. Also corruption and egoistic mentallity blocking itself
You may want to look at it that way,Brother let me say this if Russian or Western countries make this FMBT, some people will jump with joy, if DRDO/OFB makes this then they will say it needs to go to moon on its own and fight the battles their.
It is outrageous those guys just copy post, Jane defence for the dream tank.
Perhaps the Laser's main goal is to fry the missiles seeker in order to make the missile(LAHAT) lose its trajectory and therefore deflect the missile from its path towards the tank. Even a couple of centimetres off and the missile will simply explode harmlessly next to the tank. This certainly is possible, killing top attack munitions will be really difficult. This principle cannot be used on Tank shells though.And my point about the laser system simply being flawed in design still stands.
It is not just impracticable but i find improbable that laser active protection system can be built that works. So far lasers have been used to burn field tanks , cook circuits and ignite fuel tanks. Since we can't vaporize incoming projectiles.
Momentum of any explosion will still carry forward toward the tank making it vulnerable at close ranges.