Indian Woman for Combat Duties

[Sanglamorre]

First you said you can not handle propaganda or narrative if a woman in service gets capture by the enemy. I told you that I saw fake men here who started crying like pussies when Abhinandan was captured. Then I categorically mentioned ‘backed by technology’ but you shifted the goal post to Physical fitness.

I have seen the world, travelled 4 continents, there is nothing that a women can not handle today. You need to come out of your saviour of the women complex. Joining Indian Forces is voluntary. Anyone who joins, join to serve. The standards are same for everyone. The day women will be allowed to join as SF combatants they will be tested like their male counterparts.

If anything wrong the adversary do to the captured woman officer they will lose it worse than it they do it to male officer.

The "you" you are referring to isn't the same. You were replying to someone else.

Yeah, so if you're aware how 'fake men' started crying about Abhinandan, you're telling me it'll be magically better if a woman is captured and raped on video? Right. Sure the ones joining have steeled themselves. But the country hasn't.

'backed by technology'. Like what exactly? Women sitting on a control panel 1000kms away firing a missile? Because jets can be brought down. Or are we talking about some fantasy power suit that gives them physical strength equal to men? Also, 'backed by tech' contradicts your claim women can do everything men can. By that token they will be absolutely reliant on tech. What do we do it the tech fails? Tell the enemy to bring a woman combatant for fair fight?

Sadly, India isn't stretched into those 4 continents till now. India is still very rustic and has its own traditions. No one is buying the notion savaging a man is going to evoke the same response as savaging a woman. Trying to pretend otherwise is just...
Also, among those 4 continents, what happened after an adversary savaged a woman combatant like Saurabh Kalia?

Now, it seems like you're sure the women are held to exact same physical standards as women in the Indian Army. I call bs. It's an open secret they have to be handled with kid gloves. Like accounts don't exist in this very forum of them having to be pushed by drill seargents to get them to pass. :v

So, you're admitting if something was done to a woman officer there will be more retribution meted out to them Vs a male officer. Why is that so? Is it admitting that in India women are still seen differently than men and consequently...govt has to handle it differently? So, if a women is savaged by Pakis, we *have* to make it "lose it worse", thereby decreasing Govt's manuverability.

Yeah, real winning option there.

Even if they make the physical fitness criteria same and strictly observe it, the political issue will still remain.

 

[Abhay Rajput 02]

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this should be good enough i guess.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.livescience.com/amp/52998-women-combat-gender-differences.html.
Please type on google and research it before commenting.

 

[Sanglamorre]

Fellas,

Israel /US have womens in active combat duty.. let us put this to rest for once and all...

and indian womens when taken head on are diff breed altogether....

Yeah, and everyone complains about them. Those are photo ops.

 

[Abhay Rajput 02]

@SimplyIndian please know that women standard of training and selection process is significantly easier than men. Please type on google and research it before commenting. We dont neef feminism. We need the best in army so that they can win a war.

 

[Abhay Rajput 02]

I dont understand why some people dont understand simple biology. Women and men are different. Men have there pros and cons just like women. In physical strength women are significantly weaker than men.

 

[Sanglamorre]

@SimplyIndian please know that women standard of training and selection process is significantly easier than men. Please type on google and research it before commenting. We dont neef feminism. We need the best in army so that they can win a war.

Yeah, if we aren't angling for unfit men to be soldiers, why women?

Why spend national resources on a sub standard soldier? I do not care if even trans people get in army if they can pass the physicals.

 

[Abhay Rajput 02]

Yeah, if we aren't angling for unfit men to be soldiers, why women?

Why spend national resources on a sub standard soldier? I do not care if even trans people get in army if they can pass the physicals.

Sir ji even physicals would be made easy for them. Same is the case for women as of now.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Women should be kept away from enemy line especially from terrorists handlers. They can perform well in the area of technical department say controlling drones or using other high end technical stuff.
But engaging with enemies on LOC is totally different beast what if enemies trap them and rape them? Just like how few years ago they raided our posts?
Well to be clear india is not prepared for this type of assaults public outrage would be terrible and anger would be all time high. Rather than seeing everything from western point of view we should see things from our side.
And what would be the effect of such assault on the total regiment?

 

[FGFAPilot1]

Are you in favour of reserving 50% of labour and maternity wards for men?
If not you are the hypocrite.

The best policy would be allow women into the many valuable military roles that do not require much physical strength
While keeping infantry, armour, artillery for men.
But sensible and feminist don't go together I guess

I was playing the devil's advocate. At one point or the other, the society and this "beti padhao" government is going to have their asses kicked by "women empowerment" feminist crusaders who believe that women are magical creatures with the capability to do all!

 

[hit&run]

No i was talking about your opinion that somehow women fighter pilot who were inducted in 2016 are best suited to fly our most valuable aircraft. This is nothing more than psyops. Because as you can see they aren't the most qualified pilots of IAF. Feminism is getting into military now. I mean can you imagine what would happen if some women pilot is captured , what would be the pressure on politicians to bring her back , it will be way worse than abhinandan. What type of compromise you have to make.? Moreover navy is the best suited for women in military as it doesnt require any physical strength. Than airforce but a lot of problems comes with it. Army is simply no go zone. Again some bright mind person put mahila battalion of itbp , that too knowing that there is no bullets rule. Idiocracy at its best.

Do you have an academic proof that women recently inducted can not fly modern aircraft? How long it takes for a newly trained Pilot to start flying Su-30 MKI as it was the only latest jet before Rafale came?

If you don’t mind you are talking like feudal who talks about value or money and asset when flying modern aircraft is all about human resource, processing modern age information load to then find a solution. Give me a proof that woman are less cable to process data and multitask.

No government invest in Psyops like this and risk combat doctrines. Governments have many other options to earn women empowerment brownie points.

I don’t see myself losing my sleep after KIA or MIA of a woman officer or crying on her capture. Nations do not compromise or negotiate their military objectives for captured soldiers. The negotiations however are done as an act of defending a citizen by operating at humanitarian pretext only.

ITBP has done its job very well. Not everyone is an Astrologer to read Chinese mind to predict their misadventures . The border security grid everywhere is tailor made depending on threat perception. The no firing bullet is a unit level deterrence maintained by both sides. It can not be failed on the whims of a Jingo who think military confrontations are like a Bollywood movies where Hero drops his pistol seeing his girlfriend locked in a cave behind ‘Kali Pahaadi’ by an ugly looking villain.

 

[Sanglamorre]

Women should be kept away from enemy line especially from terrorists handlers. They can perform well in the area of technical department say controlling drones or using other high end technical stuff.
But engaging with enemies on LOC is totally different beast what if enemies trap them and rape them? Just like how few years ago they raided our posts?
Well to be clear india is not prepared for this type of assaults public outrage would be terrible and anger would be all time high. Rather than seeing everything from western point of view we should see things from our side.
And what would be the effect of such assault on the total regiment?

Worse, it's going to become a liability. Governments can't or shouldn't go to war over loss of few men. It is a very sad fact but war can't start over a Capt. Kalia or Abhinandan. I'm not trying to minimise sacrifice but saying GoIs can't go to war involving billions over deaths of a few.

But if a single video of jihadis brutalising women combatants come out? Yeah, that GoI is fucked. Either war or concede everything.

 

[FGFAPilot1]

I would love to see women in the military, I don't give a flying fish these days.

When you have to sharpen the fighting capabilities of the armed forces to win wars, inducting women is going to do the exact opposite.

Even if women are capable enough, research done by the Americans demonstrate how the combat effectiveness decreases as women are included in combat units.

But I don't give two hoots now, pacification of idiots and victim cults is in vogue now and will remain so for a long time to come.

 

[omaebakabaka]

If you don’t mind you are talking like feudal who talks about value or money and asset when flying modern aircraft is all about human resource, processing modern age information load to then find a solution. Give me a proof that woman are less cable to process data and multitask.

Most women I encountered were very poor when it comes to navigating, for some reason that I can not understand they have difficulty in figuring out directions or understanding 3D concepts. Just a limited sample but very consistent in my personal experience. Not attributing to entire gender though...

 

[bajiraopeshwa]

Most women I encountered were very poor when it comes to navigating, for some reason that I can not understand they have difficulty in figuring out directions or understanding 3D concepts. Just a limited sample but very consistent in my personal experience. Not attributing to entire gender though...

The reason is evolution. More areas in a womans brain are devoted to speech, language and communication as during evolution it was men who were the hunters while women took care of the homes. Men had to develop a good sense of direction to a) not get lost b) aim properly

 

[omaebakabaka]

The reason is evolution. More areas in a womans brain are devoted to speech, language and communication as during evolution it was men who were the hunters while women took care of the homes. Men had to develop a good sense of direction to a) not get lost b) aim properly

You are a straight shooter huh

 

[hit&run]

Meet The Navy's First Women Combat Aviators To Be Deployed On Warships
Sub Lieutenant Kumudini Tyagi and Sub Lieutenant Riti Singh are training to operate a host of sensors onboard Navy multi-role helicopters.
All IndiaWritten by Vishnu SomUpdated: September 21, 2020 5:54 pm IST



Sub Lieutenant Kumudini Tyagi (right) and Sub Lieutenant Riti Singh (left).


New Delhi:
In a move that will redefine gender equality in the Indian Navy, Sub Lieutenant Kumudini Tyagi and Sub Lieutenant Riti Singh will be the first women combatants who will operate as specialists on board Navy helicopters which operate from the deck of warships.
Though women have been deployed as logistics and medical officers onboard Navy fleet tankers, they have not been a part of the crew onboard destroyers or frigates for lengthy durations due to a host of reasons - including the lack of privacy in crew quarters and the availability of gender-specific bathroom facilities.
That is set to now change with the two young officers who are training to operate a host of sensors onboard navy multi-role helicopters, including sonar consoles and Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance (ISR) payloads. In the event of combat, these women officers would detect enemy submarines and warships using the onboard sensors they operate and provide targeting solutions to the pilots of the choppers who would fire the actual weapons, torpedoes or anti-ship missiles.

Sub Lieutenant Kumudini Tyagi and Sub Lieutenant Riti Singh will be the first women officers who will be deployed on navy warships as part of the ship's crew.
It is expected that the two officers will eventually fly on the navy's new MH-60 R helicopters, 24 of which are on order. Widely considered the most advanced multi-role helicopters of their class in the world, the MH-60R is designed to detect enemy ships and submarines which can be engaged using missiles and torpedoes. In 2018, then Defence Minister Nirmala Sitharaman had cleared the acquisition of the Lockheed-Martin built choppers in a deal estimated at $2.6 billion.
"Things are changing in the Indian Navy every day. The navy is giving everybody an opportunity every day. Yes, we're breaking barriers every day but there are a lot of opportunities coming up every day. Whatever role the Indian Navy gives us, we will gladly take them," Sub Lieutenant Singh, a fourth generation armed forces officer, told NDTV. Her father had retired from the navy several years ago.
"Our training has been really rigorous. We've both completed over 60 hours of training.... We take pressure and tension bang on. We don't get worked up," she said.

Kumudini Tyadi and Riti Singh have completed over 60 hours of training
News of the deployment of women officers onboard ships comes on a day when it has emerged that the Indian Air Force (IAF) has shortlisted a woman fighter pilot to operate in its fleet of Rafale fighter jets. Operational conversion of this officer has begun though its unclear when she would be declared 'operational' with the IAF's Golden Arrows squadron in Ambala which is the first IAF squadron to operate the French built fighter, the most advanced in the inventory of the IAF.
"We've been treated equally... Whatever training our male counterparts received, we went through the same training... It is a huge responsibility, the task is challenge. We are looking forward to it," Sub Lieutenant Tyagi, who is from Ghaziabad near Delhi, told NDTV.



The two officers are part of a group of 17 officers of the Indian Navy, including four women officers, and three officers of the Indian Coast Guard, who were awarded "Wings" on graduating as "Observers" at a ceremony held on Monday at INS Garuda in Kochi, the navy said in a statement.
In 2016, Flight Lieutenant Bhawanna Kanth, Flight Lieutenant Avani Chaturvedi, and Flight Lieutenant Mohana Singh became India's first women fighter pilots. At the moment, the IAF has 1,875 women in service including 10 fighter pilots. Eighteen women officers are navigators who are thought to be deployed in the fighter-fleet as well, operating as Weapons Systems Operators on fighters including the Sukhoi-30MKI.

 

[Bleh]

What's there to discuss here? Just enforce segregation for sake of maintaining professionalism... convert the air defence, rocket artillery etc. as women only & infantry or armour for men only. Aviation, mobile artillery common. That'd take care of the dimorphism issue.

Start pilot project with female crew on some small corvette, then work your way up.

I don't have any problem with women in frontline roles. But I severe at the thought of a woman in place of Abhinandan. What if Pakis would have released a video raping our woman pilot?

That's a risk every warrior irrespective of gender should be ready to undertake. What captain kalia underwent is worse than rape.

Dude they rape little kids... You'd have to be seriously delusional (or a sweet summer child) to think Cpt.Kalia didn't get raped!!!
If you are going into their torture room then say goodbye to your butthole.

This reminds me of an article I read about why so many females were used as spys in the world wars & cold war... as per one unnamed retired officer of CIA, only a few pins into the balls can make men sing any song their captors want. Much more effective than waterboarding or gangrape.

 

[ArgonPrime]

Saar,

Pls visit any hill state or Bihar / Jharkhand.... womens are no less than man.. and i am not talking this being a feminist but based on facts on ground.. if u compare paperred girls of delhi / mumbai than i am afraid....u r not doing right compare...

I'm from a hill state and I can say this for a fact that it's total horseshit!!

 

[ArgonPrime]

It wasn't a God who fought the demons for 9 days and 9 nights, it was a Goddess. There isn't a corner of Bharata without a warrior queen. Don't underestimate the martial acumen of Indian women. Lest they end up becoming militant-feminists.

Don't wanna shit on you but you know that's just mythology and therefore ain't to be taken literally, right?? Gods (or goddesses) likely do not exist in real life.

 

[ArgonPrime]

Do tell me in today’s day and age what a warrior need to win. I bet you do not know and let me tell you this right away. It is processing the information and multitask.

And the ability to march 20 miles while lugging around with at least a 40 kg battle load.