Indian Woman for Combat Duties

[Bahamut]

It is better to acquire sophisticated weapons to defeat jihadis. Women can be the brains behind the new weaposn technology but they cannot hold weapons of war. Period.

A nation of a few million like GB could defeat us due to superior weapons and no English women ever joined the British Army(save for staffwork.)

Anyway bye and have good luck with the flying vimana on oilseed.

It time we look at training , education and leadership .These thing is what actually matter .

 

[TPFscopes]

A nation of a few million like GB could defeat us due to superior weapons and no English women ever joined the British Army(save for staffwork.).

But there is a lady at the top post in GB itself i.e. The Queen.
The same why , I don't know why these people creating such a huge rant over the selection of a female for the Defence Hot seat.

 

[Peter]

But there is a lady at the top post in GB itself i.e. The Queen.
The same why , I don't know why these people creating such a huge rant over the selection of a female for the Defence Hot seat.

During the British colonial times they had both kings and queens(of German origin). Also England is/was a Constitutional Monarchy where the monarch was a figurehead just like our naam ke vaste President Kovindji. England follows its own unwritten constitution Magna Carta and a parliamentary system of democracy. It is ruled by its PM.

Also I have no problem with Nirmala Sitaraman as Defense minister. I have already stated that women in desk jobs/ministerial berths are okay.

 

[IndiaRising]

So AK Antony would be better at being a defense minister just because he was a man?

All the generals who watched india's defense capabilities erode during UPA and did nothing would also make better Defence minister than a woman who hasn't even started?

Keep massaging that hurt ego. You'll require some burnol for the next two years.

 

[Vijyes]

It is better to acquire sophisticated weapons to defeat jihadis. Women can be the brains behind the new weapons technology but they cannot hold weapons of war. Period.

A nation of a few million like GB could defeat us due to superior weapons and no English women ever joined the British Army(save for staffwork.)

Anyway bye and have good luck with the flying vimana on oilseed.

Do you read before you comment? I said 'self defense squad', not offensive army. In some places, it is possible to be overrun and then the women need to defend themselves and children in such cases.

Women are never to be sent on offensive but only background staff work, weapon manufacturing, nurses, doctors and as 'MILITIA' for 'SELF DEFENSE'.

 

[airtel]

So AK Antony would be better at being a defense minister just because he was a man?

All the generals who watched india's defense capabilities erode during UPA and did nothing would also make better Defence minister than a woman who hasn't even started?

Keep massaging that hurt ego. You'll require some burnol for the next two years.

we dont have Problem with female Defence Minister but we have problems with female reservations in Armed forced & other Govt. Jobs , schools and colleges .

selection should be based on qualifications & capabilities and not on the basis of gender .

If a Female can Pass the standards of Army/ colleges/schools then only she deserves selection .

 

[nongaddarliberal]

I have a few senior contacts in the administrative services, believe me if you want to, and they describe Nirmala as egotistical and incompetent. I really don't like this news. Modi could have put her anywhere else apart from Defence.

 

[airtel]

A lot of sexist drivel in this thread.
.

so criticizing feminism = sexism ??

 

[Hemu Vikram Aditya]

Not everybody can be brutal as Indira gandhi,What I am trying to say is that lets take a scenario in which Bharat and Pakistan engage each other in a conflict.And if Bharat captures paki land. Lets face it guys it is quite evident that the Jihadis would retaliate. Historically only way we can destroy Jihadi proxies is being more brutal than them( for example;- Mongols,and presently the Chinese)and to curb it army has to commit war crimes which IMO a male leader is more psychollogicaly strong to allow such decison of then a women leader. A women leader might back down to human rights group and tell army to be more meek.

 

[Vijyes]

Not everybody can be brutal as Indira gandhi,What I am trying to say is that let take a scenario if Bharat and Pakistan engage each other in a conflict.And if Bharat captures paki land. Lets face it guys it is quite evident that the Jihadis would retaliate. Historically only we can destroy Jihadi proxies is being more brutal than them( for example;- Mongols,and presently the Chinese)and to curb it army has to commit war crimes which IMO a male leader is more psychollogicaly strong to allow such decison of then a women leader. A women leader might back down to human rights group and tell army to be more meek.

Indira was the worst PM ever. She let 25 lakh hindus get massacred in bangladesh. She merely split bangladesh without killing equal or greater number of muslims. Bangladesh in turn in 4-5 years underwent a radical change in policy back to pro pakistan.

She even killed Shastri and as a compromise for it, gave away the land India acquired in 1965 war. She even let go the PoW of 1971 without trying for war crimes of genocide. Then in 1975,she banned RSS, imposed emergency and did constitutional amendments to declare india secular despite all the problems of islam.

Indira was a jihadi lady, not iron lady

 

[Hemu Vikram Aditya]

Indira was the worst PM ever. She let 25 lakh hindus get massacred in bangladesh. She merely split bangladesh without killing equal or greater number of muslims. Bangladesh in turn in 4-5 years underwent a radical change in policy back to pro pakistan.

She even killed Shastri and as a compromise for it, gave away the land India acquired in 1965 war. She even let go the PoW of 1971 without trying for war crimes of genocide. Then in 1975,she banned RSS, imposed emergency and did constitutional amendments to declare india secular despite all the problems of islam.

Indira was a jihadi lady, not iron lady

Though Indira had faults in her she also took actions against Chinese in 1967 IMO, What i was trying to say is that not every women can put aside motherly compassion and be as brutal as men.There is a reason we never hear about Female Stalin,Female Hitler,Female Mao, Female Pol Pot my freind .

 

[hit&run]

Raksha Mantri must know how to drive a tank and lay mines.....................

wooohuuuuuuuuu..............the award of biggest chauvinist cuckold goes to this thread.

 

[TheHurtLocker]

so criticizing feminism = sexism ??

that Data and experiments are useless .................Female Pilots & soldiers will be selected irrespective of their performance ......but they will not be drafted at the Time of War .

Not sexist at all.
And of course these are just lies:

IAF sources said the performance of the women during their training matched that of their male colleagues.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india...m-september/story-UE2nsTELPGkSq7ztdLOPBO.html

As Sub Lts Seema and Ambica emerged from the aircraft post their three-and-a-half hour standardisation procedure during which they flew over the southern peninsula, a delighted Commander Satish Kumar, their Aircats examiner, told The Hindu: “They were supposed to take the aircraft from point A to point B and were expected to fix its position at any point in time. They did way above average.”

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities...ts-first-women-combatants/article16892659.ece

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2. Padmavathy Bandopadhyay


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3. Mitali Madhumita


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4. Priya Jhingan






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14. Gunjan Saxena

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https://www.thebetterindia.com/83280/brave-women-soldiers-indian-armed-forces/

Hey and by the way these women got in "irrespective of their performance".
I hear flying rotary winged assets in rarefied atmospheres when enemies are firing heat seeking missiles at you is just as easy as anonymously typing sexist bs on an online forum.
And mind you they just hand out "Sword of Honours" at the OTA now, "irrespective of their performance".

 

[airtel]

Ah the personal attacks and the denial.
Well done.
And you are on cue. I have totally edited your post. You have not typed those same words.
Enjoy your Sunday.

Truth is Sexist Enjoy your Sunday >>

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahom...chose-fly-transport-aircraft-helicopters.html

http://people.com/celebrity/female-rangers-were-given-special-treatment-sources-say/

 

[here2where]

Truth is Sexist Enjoy your Sunday >>

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahom...chose-fly-transport-aircraft-helicopters.html
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Multiple reasons have been documented as to why women don't choose fighter stream - intense parental pressure, future employment prospects post-commission are better in helicopter and transport streams. This is a documented fact. Nothing to do with the lady cadet's abilities.

 

[airtel]

Multiple reasons have been documented as to why women don't choose fighter stream - intense family pressure, future employment prospects post-commission are better in helicopter and transport streams. This is a documented fact. Nothing to do with the lady cadet's abilities.

Yup and Those " Pressure " will disappear at The Time of War ........


and These Women who choose Jobs with better " employment prospects " & " Better Job Locations " deserve same salary as the Male Pilots (Plus Tax benefits , pregnancy leave , period leave etc ) & equal chances of promotion ................otherwise it is sexism .

 

[TPFscopes]

@here2where @airtel @TheHurtLocker @Hemu Vikram Aditya @Peter @Sakal Gharelu Ustad

guys you should stop spamming & criticizing Gender equality, and back to the topic without any excuse...

 

[Peter]

@here2where @airtel @TheHurtLocker @Hemu Vikram Aditya @Peter

guys you should stop spamming and back to the topic without any excuse...

When did I spam I have only presented my viewpoint and given one ot explanatory post. Read my posts again.

I have stated that NS being selected as DM is okay as there is no prob. with women in ministerial berths. However if someone pushes for women in combat roles it is a strict no-no.

 

[TPFscopes]

When did I spam I have only presented my viewpoint and given one ot explanatory post. Read my posts again.

I have stated that NS being selected as DM is okay as there is no prob. with women in ministerial berths. However if someone pushes for women in combat roles it is a strict no-no.

check it out ( http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...ew-defense-minister.79856/page-5#post-1351487 )

There are various posts from some members which are working as a catalyst to derail the thread.

Hope you understand ...

 

[here2where]

@here2where @airtel @TheHurtLocker @Hemu Vikram Aditya @Peter @Sakal Gharelu Ustad

guys you should stop spamming & criticizing Gender equality, and back to the topic without any excuse...

Relax, iam not spamming. Iam for NS as DM. But not for women on the front lines. A DM and a soldier does very different duties.