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on a serious note can any body tell me about successful paki sf ops?
The Army special forces being left to scavenge from dead bodies, tells alot about our military leaders.Just post these 'dudes' near the loc then we will soon see this equipment with our sf guys
SSG N has decent kit. The one Suffering is SSG of Army and SSW.Thats a pretty nice setup he's got there. A DBAL laser unit, i assume thats an aimpoint and actual polymer mags, nice ptt and comtacs. Now lets see if this is all for the camera or they actually have this kind of kit.
Again apples to Oranges Comparison, Will you be choosing Green Berets or Navy Seals to Raid a HVT Compound or Delta Force or Devgru. Avinash sir also said this to you guys to stop comparing everything. SAS, Unit269 get the Best Equipment but have they not fked up once or twice. They are fabulous units but Gears are a there to make your work easier, not do the work and the man behind the gear matters. And talking about Indian SF capability they achieved the Tasks they were assigned to do.Am I seriously meant to respond to this? Beyond the typical 'they are so secret but trust me bro they are effective' rhetoric and aside from the personal attacks what have you actually refuted?
I'm not doubting individuals in Indian services have done great things nor their will but that doesn't mean the capabilities are there just because you want them to be. I'm sure there are millions of Indians who have the skills to be professional racing drivers but they can't compete against the combination of skill and training resources that are present in the West and because culturally it is frowned upon to have such non traditional aspirations so the end result? No Indian F1 drivers today.
It's not a perfect analogy but I'm trying to say that if we are talking about Special forces we have to have an objective standard by which to measure abilities. Just because a few want to fetishise poverty/jugaad doesn't mean this translates in the battlefield.
I said it before and people lost their minds- if you had a SF mission that needed to be done anywhere in the world and the global community was trying to figure out who to send, Indian 'SFs' wouldn't even be in the top 50 units they'd look at. A few tactical victories at home here and there doesn't mean they are legitimately capable.
They have Success in CI ops on their Wester Border. And one or two sabotaging mission in 71 war.on a serious note can any body tell me about successful paki sf ops?
I can tell you one thing, the SSGN believe in photo op supremacy more than our garudsThats a pretty nice setup he's got there. A DBAL laser unit, i assume thats an aimpoint and actual polymer mags, nice ptt and comtacs. Now lets see if this is all for the camera or they actually have this kind of kit.
Any other aesthetic pic of theirs?I can tell you one thing, the SSGN believe in photo op supremacy more than our garuds
I have some but dont know if they are AestheticAny other aesthetic pic of theirs?
So the same situation we are in, marcos having decent kit and paras left to scavenge.SSG N has decent kit. The one Suffering is SSG of Army and SSW.
Not fault of Paras, the Leadership is the issue here. The bois make most out of their equipment's.So the same situation we are in, marcos having decent kit and paras left to scavenge.
Since when the fook did we start working as hired kidnappers for foreign countries?
SSG are a major propaganda tool for Pak establishment. This is all for show.Thats a pretty nice setup he's got there. A DBAL laser unit, i assume thats an aimpoint and actual polymer mags, nice ptt and comtacs. Now lets see if this is all for the camera or they actually have this kind of kit.
well you should then complain to management and goi for it. corruption runs deep in indian's blood.Am I seriously meant to respond to this? Beyond the typical 'they are so secret but trust me bro they are effective' rhetoric and aside from the personal attacks what have you actually refuted?
I'm not doubting individuals in Indian services have done great things nor their will but that doesn't mean the capabilities are there just because you want them to be. I'm sure there are millions of Indians who have the skills to be professional racing drivers but they can't compete against the combination of skill and training resources that are present in the West and because culturally it is frowned upon to have such non traditional aspirations so the end result? No Indian F1 drivers today.
It's not a perfect analogy but I'm trying to say that if we are talking about Special forces we have to have an objective standard by which to measure abilities. Just because a few want to fetishise poverty/jugaad doesn't mean this translates in the battlefield.
I said it before and people lost their minds- if you had a SF mission that needed to be done anywhere in the world and the global community was trying to figure out who to send, Indian 'SFs' wouldn't even be in the top 50 units they'd look at. A few tactical victories at home here and there doesn't mean they are legitimately capable.
f2 actually, jehan daruvala. i don't think any f1 team would take him. since he ain't the best in f2. tho he is signed up in rbda. he started his career so late in force india when other drivers were at peak.No Indian F1 drivers today.
Agree with the equipment part but during operation Black Tornado NSG were super effective so on what basis are you saying their training isnt good? If it is they did not adopt modern practices that's another thing but is their training effective, yes and they proved it.well you should then complain to management and goi for it. corruption runs deep in indian's blood.
as for operation goes. south asia in a nutshell. even western militaries find it difficult to operate in it.
if i take the ex. of afghan. us/nato were able to push since they had the technical and financial advantage. you already know how many us soldiers were killed in afghan despite having such a good advantage.
indian sf can't operate in west, it's a fact. neither they have good cqb training like foreign sof. we ve seen nsg with scooter helmets during op. black tornado.
f2 actually, jehan daruvala. i don't think any f1 team would take him. since he ain't the best in f2. tho he is signed up in rbda. he started his career so late in force india when other drivers were at peak.
you r correct about the inferior gear. it's not the operatives problem like i'm saying.
ssgn has a good kit. atleast configs on m4 looks coolSSG are a major propaganda tool for Pak establishment. This is all for show.
go through what @abingdonboy said.Agree with the equipment part but during operation Black Tornado NSG were super effective so on what basis are you saying their training isnt good? If it is they did not adopt modern practices that's another thing but is their training effective, yes and they proved it.
well you should then complain to management and goi for it. corruption runs deep in indian's blood.
Also this, all the arguments on Standardisation ends up on poor leadership & management, mismanagement of funds, corruption
This goes on and on in a cycle forever in this thread
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