Indian Special Forces

[ManhattanProject]

Far better than those biting the dust against rag tag jihadis in Afghanistan, rag tag communists in Vietnam, rag tag insurgents in Mogadishu and etc etc.

Dear lord, its like talking to a child. The US military achieved everything they wanted in afghanistan. The only reason they left is politics. Childish arguments like vietnam just tells me you are stupid.

 

[ManhattanProject]

It's all relative I guess, this stuff is super Gucci and cutting edge....for Indian services who equip their average guys like it's the 1920s still.


But the average Western infantryman will be indifferent, this is how most NATO infantry guys looked in the mid-00s

An avergae US infantry guy looks at our "modern MKU" helmets and says " still no NVG mounts" man they are poorly equipped.

 

[Waanar]

I know right? Those bisleri boys took down Bin Laden in Pakistan. Hafiz Saed is still alive!

Hafiz Saeed's death would serve no purpose anymore. His survival is actually beneficial for us. You kill him and he'll get replaced by another guy.
Better the devil you know than the one you don't.

On the other hand, if he keeps living, we have more leverage to arm-twist Pakistan on international forums.

Imagine if we kill all the terrorists in Pakistan overnight magically.
It would actually be a boon for them.

 

[ManhattanProject]

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Brah, no one was talking about it till you started it. Everyone was discussing aesthetics and vanity stuff.


Brah, their political leadership incapacitated and pulled them out. Taliban didn't dare try to even fight a force as small as 3000 Rangers and some air assets.
American soldiers have always been great in war, racking up huge body counts but it's their policy makers who have the last say.
Remove ROEs and Americans win most of those hybrid wars they fought.

Eh... brah... Again, surgical strikes were a fantastic display of SF's prowess but that doesn't make their gear modern.
You're confusing critique of gear with belittling of the individual operator or the institution's past achievements.

To put forth the "Muh Modernization gang" argument, if Paras can do this much without all the cool shit, imagine what they could do with all the cool shit!

If I advocate the use of viagra, it doesn't necessarily mean I'm implying you have a small dick.
It could be that I want you to have some extra fun. (not with me. Please. no.)

TBH, terrorists do the same.
Not to take anything away from the Paras (the gods know how hard it must've been for so many teams to get to target, avoid detection, stalk and coordinate the initialization of the assault at the same time by all teams in overt military uniforms while terrorists can hide among civvies here) but the terrain does allow easier masking of movement than... say... an open desert or plains like you usually see in India.


P.S- Let's avoid arguing about modernization.
Misunderstandings run amok here.
The guys on one side of the fence assume the other side wants to avoid modernization while the other side assumes we're belittling our soldiers.
Recent tenders show promise.
Let's hold our tongues.

Amen brother, tired of these children here who cant take criticism. Always jai ho for them.

 

[mustang 0408]

I know right? Those bisleri boys took down Bin Laden in Pakistan. Hafiz Saed is still alive!

bisleri bois took down bin laden in a friendly country with air support and i dont mean to demean them it was a fantastic op. Indian chads disguise themselves as terrorist, enter their camps fuck shit up and leave without writing a bloody novel

 

[ManhattanProject]

Hafiz Saeed's death would serve no purpose anymore. His survival is actually beneficial for us. You kill him and he'll get replaced by another guy.
Better the devil you know than the one you don't.

On the other hand, if he keeps living, we have more leverage to arm-twist Pakistan on international forums.

Imagine if we kill all the terrorists in Pakistan overnight magically.
It would actually be a boon for them.

Come on man, you know what i mean. I was just making a point against a child.

 

[abingdonboy]

Bruh atleast now we should stfu about NVGs, if MARCOS can have Binocular NVGs and Garuds can have Panoramic NVGs, while Army has released Pano NVG tender.

Main point should be about SDRs, and Earpros along with dedicated aviation wing.

Sorry but this is ultimate coping.

As has been predicted after every step forward for Indian SFs the very next time they are seen they are back to their same standard. A few token bits of kit seen mostly for public displays are not indicative of the units in the frontlines. We have seen the sorry state of those guys.

Main point should be about SDRs, and Earpros along with dedicated aviation wing.

That these basic things don't exist proves how rotten the entire mess is.

And regarding your rhetoric of western special forces being the best, we all saw who ran away from Afghanistan, we all know who avoided going out of their bases, we all know about those who can!t fight without crying about “we need air support”. Stop this blackpilling and gora worship.

This is so far from the truth it's absurd. Actually listen into what ex US/NATO operators have done in the last 10 years, they have done literally 1000s of of extraordinary missions, their 'normal/daily routine in Iraq/Afghanistan is more high-tempo and dynamic than anything Indian SFs have ever done- yes I mean this.


That's not even counting the 'headline grabbing' missions like Abbotobad, Baghdadi takedown, Captain Phillips mission, Hostage rescue missions in Africa etc.


I would struggle to point to a strategically significant Mission Indian SFs have done in the last 20+ years

 

[mustang 0408]

Amen brother, tired of these children here who cant take criticism. Always jai ho for them.

everyone on this thread KNOWS we have a MASSIVE equipment deficiency no body disagrees with you on that the problem starts when you bring it up all the time no need to do that.

 

[Waanar]

Amen brother, tired of these children here who cant take criticism. Always jai ho for them.

Amen?
Jai Shree Ram bol!

bisleri bois took down bin laden in a friendly country with air support and i dont mean to demean them it was a fantastic op. Indian chads disguise themselves as terrorist, enter their camps fuck shit up and leave without writing a bloody novel

True, but then again, we have the advantage of being similar in culture and looks. Drop me (or any DFIan) in Pakistan with no training and we'd probably not get caught as a foreigner (Southies may have some trouble due to Urdu).
You could look at it two ways-
1)- It's not that big of an achievement because you're simply raised this way.
2)- Every kid in India is raised preparing and training for undercover covert ops in Pakistan.

I prefer the second line of thinking.

 

[abingdonboy]

An avergae US infantry guy looks at our "modern MKU" helmets and says " still no NVG mounts" man they are poorly equipped.

the US army replaced their ACHs with ECHs about 15 years ago

 

[ManhattanProject]

Have PEQ devices been seen with MARCOs or Garuds?

Marcos, and some garuds have sights which have lasers integrated. Garuds also have LMGs that have Laser modules.

 

[ManhattanProject]

Amen?
Jai Shree Ram bol!



True, but then again, we have the advantage of being similar in culture and looks. Drop me (or any DFIan) in Pakistan with no training and we'd probably not get caught as a foreigner (Southies may have some trouble due to Urdu).
You could look at it two ways-
1)- It's not that big of an achievement because you're simply raised this way.
2)- Every kid in India is raised preparing and training for undercover covert ops in Pakistan.

I prefer the second line of thinking.

Me Maa Kali ka bhakt hu. I am a feminist.

 

[ManhattanProject]

Sorry but this is ultimate coping.

As has been predicted after every step forward for Indian SFs the very next time they are seen they are back to their same standard. A few token bits of kit seen mostly for public displays are not indicative of the units in the frontlines. We have seen the sorry state of those guys.




That these basic things don't exist proves how rotten the entire mess is.




This is so far from the truth it's absurd. Actually listen into what ex US/NATO operators have done in the last 10 years, they have done literally 1000s of of extraordinary missions, their 'normal/daily routine in Iraq/Afghanistan is more high-tempo and dynamic than anything Indian SFs have ever done- yes I mean this.


That's not even counting the 'headline grabbing' missions like Abbotobad, Baghdadi takedown, Captain Phillips mission, Hostage rescue missions in Africa etc.


I would struggle to point to a strategically significant Mission Indian SFs have done in the last 20+ years

We did kidnap a sheik's daughter few months ago..

 

[abingdonboy]

We did kidnap a sheik's daughter few months ago..

I’m 90% sure that story is BS, the other 10% of me thinks it was UAE SOF

 

[ManhattanProject]

Amen?
Jai Shree Ram bol!



True, but then again, we have the advantage of being similar in culture and looks. Drop me (or any DFIan) in Pakistan with no training and we'd probably not get caught as a foreigner (Southies may have some trouble due to Urdu).
You could look at it two ways-
1)- It's not that big of an achievement because you're simply raised this way.
2)- Every kid in India is raised preparing and training for undercover covert ops in Pakistan.

I prefer the second line of thinking.

I disagree, they can tell. My friend was in pakistan for a bit and got recognised easily. Even got free sweets for some Indian notes.

 

[Waanar]

We did kidnap a sheik's daughter few months ago..

I love the bluntness of this statement.
The delivery is just super funny. Pardon my reaction.

I’m 90% sure that story is BS, the other 10% of me thinks it was UAE SOF

Bruh now this is just being cynical for the sake of it.
Why do you say this?

 

[mustang 0408]

Amen?
Jai Shree Ram bol!



True, but then again, we have the advantage of being similar in culture and looks. Drop me (or any DFIan) in Pakistan with no training and we'd probably not get caught as a foreigner (Southies may have some trouble due to Urdu).
You could look at it two ways-
1)- It's not that big of an achievement because you're simply raised this way.
2)- Every kid in India is raised preparing and training for undercover covert ops in Pakistan.

I prefer the second line of thinking.

There is a difference in surviving in mainland pakistan and in surviving in terrorist camps the latter requires more skill and intelligence and 100*the guts

 

[Love Charger]

I love the bluntness of this statement.
The delivery is just super funny. Pardon my reaction.

Bruh now this is just being cynical for the sake of it.
Why do you say this?

What's blunt here , we all know indian sf kidnapped her

 

[mustang 0408]

We did kidnap a sheik's daughter few months ago..

whats the story?

 

[ManhattanProject]

whats the story?

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