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Just saw a Matt black truck with no body in NSG convoi..any idea what its for?
description?

NSG at Rajpath during Rehearsals for Republic Day Parade
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seems combat shirts are pretty standardised inside NSG now but only a few of them have the NSG patch


no high cuts indicates they are only present in limited numbers and perhaps with frontline teams

not a massive update on their equipment levels from the last time they went down Rajpath a few years back

In an encounter in Kashmir valley, who will be pushed in for the kill RR or CRPF QAT?
Depends on the AOR, CRPF has taken over responsibility most of the urban areas in JK

It is comparable to the ANVIS 10. It is a predecessor to the GNPVG-18. Some of these (ANVIS-10) are used by various spetsnaz units in Russia. As well as other DOF units worldwide. Its FoV and sight picture will be inferior to GNPVG 18, but much better than anything else in service as of today. Except perhaps GNPVG-20 ENVS. But the latter is probably not in service today.
even if it’s 0.5 of a generation behind the -18s it is still about 20 years ahead of any NVGs currently in service with Indian SFs.

Do you really think that if you haven't seen Para SF using these means that they don't use it? Grow up!
Almost certainly
 

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This is just QRT, rest of the CAPFs had and have pathetic kits and equipment which was relieved to a certain extent after Bulgarian AK-47s were ordered in bulk.
I have used a word can.... Crpf should first work on a better and new camo for all units except qrt... Also some standard gear should be brought... As army plans to reduce its role in CI ops mainly in NE... Then the task would come in hands on CRP.... And MHA doesn't have babu system just like MOD... So they can do that if they wanted..
 

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What are you talking about? CRPF is a police/law enforcement unit. They have their responsibilities and should be left to that

CRPF is starting to specialise more and not just have vast amounts of general battalions.

There should be a CRPF QAT raised/deployed in each state to bridge the gap between the local/state first response police units and NSG who may take time to arrive
Actually that's correct... But I was talking about equipping them with gear like that of marines and also providing them with training like those forces... This would also help army to reduce the weight of CI and CT ops inside India and properly work on it's wartime capabilities.... Same for ITBP as it would have to face chinese who are quite well armed....
 

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Is it possible to hand over in valley insurgency to crpf and qat and JKP along with NSG? While keeping a few thousand RR men and one para sf battalion if needed.
 

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You’re making things up

1) no such order made
2) we don’t know that it’s GPNVG-18s that are part of the stalled FMS deal
Actually it was just an assumption made by many of those who know about the deal.... Para currently uses single tube NVG.... Then it would not buy that again.... Now the options left are of Dual tube and quad tube.... What I think is that there would be mix of both.... These equipments are brought after evaluations done with socom.... So they would have tried both...Now there is a wait and watch situation.... Also these NVGs would cost around 125 crores as the price of these NVGs in around 40k dollars... Scars would be around 200 300 crore.. the whole deal is around 1000 crore ... If you take the total sum... It would be around 425 crore max.. you would still have 575 crore left for scar l lmg snipers etc... Sources :-
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Gpnvg cost... You can convert it in INR and find the total value of400 units

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Scar h deal cost... H because of the ammo category...
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1000 crore deal
 

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Actually it was just an assumption made by many of those who know about the deal.... Para currently uses single tube NVG.... Then it would not buy that again.... Now the options left are of Dual tube and quad tube.... What I think is that there would be mix of both.... These equipments are brought after evaluations done with socom.... So they would have tried both...Now there is a wait and watch situation.... Also these NVGs would cost around 125 crores as the price of these NVGs in around 40k dollars... Scars would be around 200 300 crore.. the whole deal is around 1000 crore ... If you take the total sum... It would be around 425 crore max.. you would still have 575 crore left for scar l lmg snipers etc... Sources :-
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Gpnvg cost... You can convert it in INR and find the total value of400 units

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Scar h deal cost... H because of the ammo category...
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1000 crore deal
Forget it, if the deal hasn’t been signed by now it’s not happening
 

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Actually it was just an assumption made by many of those who know about the deal.... Para currently uses single tube NVG.... Then it would not buy that again.... Now the options left are of Dual tube and quad tube.... What I think is that there would be mix of both.... These equipments are brought after evaluations done with socom.... So they would have tried both...Now there is a wait and watch situation.... Also these NVGs would cost around 125 crores as the price of these NVGs in around 40k dollars... Scars would be around 200 300 crore.. the whole deal is around 1000 crore ... If you take the total sum... It would be around 425 crore max.. you would still have 575 crore left for scar l lmg snipers etc... Sources :-
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Gpnvg cost... You can convert it in INR and find the total value of400 units

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Scar h deal cost... H because of the ammo category...
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1000 crore deal
Total cost is around 300-400 crores, afaik. That is about $41M. Where'd you get the 1000 crores figure?
 

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About $16M. ₹117 crore, give or take.
Pls read whole post.... 1000 crore deal article by Sandeep Unnithan has been posted by me... Scars ki hi deal 200-300 crore ki hai....

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Forget it, if the deal hasn’t been signed by now it’s not happening
Actually the problem there is babus themselves.... Army wants to buy all the equipment at one through FMS under a single 1000 crore deal.... Whereas Babus want them to buy it under pockets of smaller deals of 200 300 crore..... This is the only hurdle ... It can be sorted if CDS mounts pressure on our Kadi ninda expert Rajnath.... And he then asks babus ki... Beta rhn do tumse na ho payega... And signs the deal... Rest everything is finalised.... Source for what I said... Article of Mr. Unnithan
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Actually it was just an assumption made by many of those who know about the deal.... Para currently uses single tube NVG.... Then it would not buy that again.... Now the options left are of Dual tube and quad tube.... What I think is that there would be mix of both.... These equipments are brought after evaluations done with socom.... So they would have tried both...Now there is a wait and watch situation.... Also these NVGs would cost around 125 crores as the price of these NVGs in around 40k dollars... Scars would be around 200 300 crore.. the whole deal is around 1000 crore ... If you take the total sum... It would be around 425 crore max.. you would still have 575 crore left for scar l lmg snipers etc... Sources :-
Indian SFs (at least the mainstream units like Para SF) never train with JSOC Tier-1, which are the ones who chiefly use the -18s. We trained with Tier-2 units like Rangers, Green Berets etc and far as I know, there are no Tier-2 users of -18s. So highly unlikely Paras ever even came into contact with -18s.

The capability set provided by the -18s is not likely to be very relevant for a Tier-2 style force which principally does support for Tier-1s as part of QRFs or otherwise required for long-duration overland maneuvers. So the likes of Rangers prefer the smaller, lighter PVS-31s and such.

So while we can't conclusively say what the model of NVGs being sought are, I think personally I'd lean heavily toward aforementioned PVS-31. And if it were to be White Phosphor-based, I'd be overjoyed.

 

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Indian SFs (at least the mainstream units like Para SF) never train with JSOC Tier-1, which are the ones who chiefly use the -18s. We trained with Tier-2 units like Rangers, Green Berets etc and far as I know, there are no Tier-2 users of -18s. So highly unlikely Paras ever even came into contact with -18s.

The capability set provided by the -18s is not likely to be very relevant for a Tier-2 style force which principally does support for Tier-1s as part of QRFs or otherwise required for long-duration overland maneuvers. So the likes of Rangers prefer the smaller, lighter PVS-31s and such.

So while we can't conclusively say what the model of NVGs being sought are, I think personally I'd lean heavily toward aforementioned PVS-31. And if it were to be White Phosphor-based, I'd be overjoyed.

Don't mean to be that guy but the idea that it's almost only the Unit in the US that uses -18's is not really the case, The 75th etc do use them....,Jebus local German SEK's have them.
 

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Indian SFs (at least the mainstream units like Para SF) never train with JSOC Tier-1, which are the ones who chiefly use the -18s. We trained with Tier-2 units like Rangers, Green Berets etc and far as I know, there are no Tier-2 users of -18s. So highly unlikely Paras ever even came into contact with -18s.

The capability set provided by the -18s is not likely to be very relevant for a Tier-2 style force which principally does support for Tier-1s as part of QRFs or otherwise required for long-duration overland maneuvers. So the likes of Rangers prefer the smaller, lighter PVS-31s and such.

So while we can't conclusively say what the model of NVGs being sought are, I think personally I'd lean heavily toward aforementioned PVS-31. And if it were to be White Phosphor-based, I'd be overjoyed.

Ek baat bolu... Har baat mein danda nahi Krna chahiye... Mein kuch source dekh k hi bolunga ki SOCOM k sath evaluation huye hai.... Sandeep sir ke article mein clearly likha hai.... Aur India US ka major defence ally hai... So aisi hont training mein unko koi problem nahi hogi.... And the nvg that are mentioned by are being brought.... Then kaam 70 - 75 crore mein ho jata... And I think they would have gone for more units rather than buying just 400..... Thak gaya hoon subah se source aur counter dete dete....
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Adhe se bhi kam ka hai bro....

Meanwhile socom k sath evaluation wala article
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Ab bhai... Army ko maja toh aa nahi raha hai 1000 crore ki deal sign krne mein... Infact agar dual tube bhi aata hai... Toh it would be better than those shitty single tube.... Baaki quad tube toh tonbo de dega.... But what I think is that deal is of quad tube going on smaller no. Of NVGs with the bigger size of whole deal
 

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