Indian Special Forces

[AVINASH4061]

Yay, happy for you lads after so many frustrating years on here.

PS that device on the right really looks like a powered rope ascender.

It is a power ascender.

 

[Sourajit Dutta]

Reposting this

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

Reposting this

How can it be brought down for other operators to use? Like just let it go on reaching the top or some other way?

 

[Scramjet]

Any info about this sight.
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Helmet mounted Thermal imager by IRDE

 

[Aditya Ballal]

Helmet mounted Thermal imager by IRDE

 

[FalconSlayers]

How many were bought? None I guess because Make in India is a fraud.

 

[fire starter]

How many were bought? None I guess because Make in India is a fraud.

It might be in service.

 

[Gessler]

Any info about this sight.
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Ugh!

I don't want to know any info about that sh!t.

It seems like when it comes to miniaturization & product engineering IRDE is like a generation behind Tonbo Imaging. Ugly & more importantly, oversized and more than likely overweight.

 

[Scramjet]

It might be in service.

ARJUN-H by tonbo are being preffered atleast by the frontier regts. & para regt.
This thing looks bulky as hell, they would prefer HHTIs over an HMTI like this
Edit : apparently lots of ghatak platoons use it too

 

[Waanar]

Ugh!

I don't want to know any info about that sh!t.

It seems like when it comes to miniaturization & product engineering IRDE is like a generation behind Tonbo Imaging. Ugly & more importantly, oversized and more than likely overweight.

I'd rather see a lot more Thermal usage.
We bash the Indian soldier's options a lot but one very sensible thing I've seen with them is an early and heavy emphasis on thermal sights by Ghatak platoons.
Initially, I was not too appreciative, but there have been some freaky videos of Taliban wiping out ANA soldiers with those like flies. That wouldn't have been possible with NVGs.

What causes interference in thermals visions, people?
I know NVGs suck when exposed to normal or bright light but what may have same or worse effect on thermal sights? What kind of terrain are thermal sights unusable in? Cold desert? Hot desert?
Just trying to gauge their effectiveness vis-a-vis NVGs...

 

[Scramjet]

I'd rather see a lot more Thermal usage.
We bash the Indian soldier's options a lot but one very sensible thing I've seen with them is an early and heavy emphasis on thermal sights by Ghatak platoons.
Initially, I was not too appreciative, but there have been some freaky videos of Taliban wiping out ANA soldiers with those like flies. That wouldn't have been possible with NVGs.

What causes interference in thermals visions, people?
I know NVGs suck when exposed to normal or bright light but what may have same or worse effect on thermal sights? What kind of terrain are thermal sights unusable in? Cold desert? Hot desert?

Hot surfaces, it becomes difficult to interpret in specific objects having erratic temperatures.
infrared radiation cannot go through water or glass. Infrared radiation is reflected off of glass, with the glass acting like a mirror so in this situation TI is useless.
Lastly, the resolution of TI matters in surveillance and military usage.

 

[Waanar]

Hot surfaces, it becomes difficult to interpret in specific objects having erratic temperatures.
infrared radiation cannot go through water or glass. Infrared radiation is reflected off of glass, with the glass acting like a mirror so in this situation TI is useless.
Lastly, the resolution of TI matters in surveillance and military usage.

There's this fusion goggles, I think. Dual tubes with both Thermal and NV.
Heard a former DEVGRU member talk about it in his podcast.
I'd think they'd be a more sensible choice than GPNVG.
Not that I'm a soldier or something but... Yeah...

 

[Scramjet]

There's this fusion goggles, I think. Dual tubes with both Thermal and NV.
Heard a former DEVGRU member talk about it in his podcast.
I'd think they'd be a more sensible choice than GPNVG.
Not that I'm a soldier or something but... Yeah...

Yes, tonbo makes one too, it's called duvi
Few pages back i wrote an article on it

 

[Scramjet]

Some tech stuff :
FLIRs make pictures from heat, not visible light. Heat (also called infrared, or thermal, energy) and light are both parts of the electromagnetic spectrum, but a camera that can detect visible light won’t see thermal energy, and vice versa.

Thermal cameras detect more than just heat though; they detect tiny differences in heat – as small as 0.01°C – and display them as shades of grey or with different colors.

On the other hand
NVGs/NODs/NVDs use optoelectronic image enhancement, which works by sensing small amounts of infrared light that are reflected off objects and then electrically amplifying that light into a characteristic glowing green/white image depending upon phosphor screen it has

The major pitfall of night vision image intensifiers is that its effectiveness decreases as nearby light decreases. This means that if the night is cloudy and overcast, blocking the light from the moon and stars, there is a dramatic decrease in the clarity of the night vision image. The same is true if fog is present, and intense rain can reflect light off many different surfaces, making it difficult to see clear images, these conditions render passive night vision devices unusable.

The major pro of using a thermal imaging camera is the fact that it requires no light to function, and strenuous weather conditions do not affect its function either. Through fog, smoke, overcast or dust storms, the thermal imaging camera will always show reliable, clear pictures that detect potential hazards with heat signatures.

To get the best of the two worlds, thermal and nvg monoculars are mounted together with a common
Interface that generates an overlapped image
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Pic1: difference between natural/thermal image
Pic2 : NVG/NOD POV
Pic3 : PSQ 20 generated image (thermal + intensified)
Pic4 : para SF operatives with helmet mounted thermals (tonbo's)

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Here

 

[Gessler]

I'd rather see a lot more Thermal usage.
We bash the Indian soldier's options a lot but one very sensible thing I've seen with them is an early and heavy emphasis on thermal sights by Ghatak platoons.
Initially, I was not too appreciative, but there have been some freaky videos of Taliban wiping out ANA soldiers with those like flies. That wouldn't have been possible with NVGs.

What causes interference in thermals visions, people?
I know NVGs suck when exposed to normal or bright light but what may have same or worse effect on thermal sights? What kind of terrain are thermal sights unusable in? Cold desert? Hot desert?
Just trying to gauge their effectiveness vis-a-vis NVGs...

As a general rule:

I2 NVG for land navigation, CQB room clearing, driving

TI for scanning regions from a fixed position, sniping, finding targets

I had once written a bit more detailed post about TI/I2:

Indian Special Forces (archived)

You sure the ones in the model 1974 helmets were SFs? Even the infantry in the same display had ACHs besides these guys had AKs not Tavors/M4s. I think they might be regular para.They still use ak.

defenceforumindia.com

 

[Knowitall]

This Is What A Black Hawk Helicopter Looks Like Through The Army's New Night Vision Goggles

New images shared online demonstrate the revolutionary capabilities of the Army's new Enhanced Night Vision Goggle-Binocular system.

www.thedrive.com

It would be safe to say that a new age of NVG's have dawned upon us. This is unlike anything we have seen before and truly a class apart from everything else.

 

[FalconSlayers]

This Is What A Black Hawk Helicopter Looks Like Through The Army's New Night Vision Goggles

New images shared online demonstrate the revolutionary capabilities of the Army's new Enhanced Night Vision Goggle-Binocular system.

www.thedrive.com

It would be safe to say that a new age of NVG's have dawned upon us. This is unlike anything we have seen before and truly a class apart from everything else.

India’s Tonbo imaging working on this since 2014

 

[Knowitall]

India’s Tonbo imaging working on this since 2014

Not as clear refined and finished as the US one but good overall considering this was back in 2014.

Wonder if they decided to continue the development or if it stalled after sometime.

 

[Scramjet]

Not as refined and finished as the US one but great considering this was back in 2014.

Wonder if they decided to continue the development or if it stalled after sometime.

Duvi-B - Tonbo Imaging

tonboimaging.com

Final product

 

[FalconSlayers]

Not as clear refined and finished as the US one but good overall considering this was back in 2014.

Wonder if they decided to continue the development or if it stalled after sometime.

This was like more than 7 years ago dude, it is 2021 and they might have made it far better.