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Everything I have read written by SOF operators says otherwise.

When you shoot 300+ rounds a week day in and day out for years the gun becomes muscle memory and your get closer to the edge of perfection.

Mag chnage and fast transition holds lesser importance on a conventional battlefield because engagements are out to 150+m . In CQC it is sub 50ms and in a blink of an eye.

Irrespective the demo on the insta account by NSG was clumsy and far from the competency required of these type of units.
again you dont reload pitol during cqb, if your main weapon goes down you transition to your pistol. You are not a civilian who is alone defending his home, These guys work as a team. Sub 1 second pistol reloads wont matter in real life, what matters are the fundamentals.
You saw some super speed low drag opterator montages and think thats how things work.
 

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NSG seems to be on its way to become a modern force.
 

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NSG signs MoU aimed to enhance proficiency as zero error force


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With focus on a dual mission, the National Security Guard (NSG) and the Rashtriya Raksha University (RRU) signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) for cooperation and collaboration aimed at strengthening the core competencies of the NSG, which are counter-terrorism, counter-IEDs, and anti-hijacking. DG NSG M A Ganapathy and Prof (Dr) Bimal N Patel, Vice-Chancellor RRU signed the MoU at the Manesar campus of NSG.


 

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Good question.

If Militancy becomes zero i would like us to still keep RR battalions.

I would like to see them as a spear of the Strike Corp and taking of the burden of some airborne units too doing "Commando" jobs there.

I am also really impressed by Armoured and Arty guys doing exceptionally well there.During the time my Old Man was a commander there there used to be called sitting ducks because of limited infantry skill.

But now what i have heard of them is these guys have even performed better than infantry guys.

So better to keep what you are doing good.

I am personally in favour of Regiments like RR and Grenadier with no fucking caste, religion or region identify at all.

All is Well and One Indeed!
You're basically describing Ghatak platoons, maybe they should be expanded to company strength inside each infantry battalion under that eventuality.


+ since independence every new army unit (battalion of service) has been 'all India'- I would like one day for the colonial/martial regiments to be renamed to get rid of ethnic/caste/religious affiliations, that seems far too backwards even for 30 years ago. Either go for state/regional names like the British army or a numeric code like the US army.


Some pretty slick mag transitions there- first time I've seen anything like that with an Indian unit, until now the demonstrated transition/reload drills have been very cumbersome/clumsy.

At this point there doesn't seem to be a huge difference in terms of equipment/capability between the RR and SF btns- human capital is obviously on an entirely different level but that they are this close is a worrying trend.


The SF Units are all about the theatre specialisations in the Conventional roles. If the conventional area ha the element of CI/CT then they operate in the same theatre. They don't move out to other theatres.
From what I understand the non-Northern based SF btns still rotate teams through JK though? Is this also true for the northern SF btns rotating teams through other conventional areas?


Mostly the techniques are same, but how the unit integrates it into its training regime, is up to the unit.
What do you think about the proposal (mooted a while back but as with many of these things no news since) to standardise PARA (SF) selection and basic training at SFTS before sending out 'badged' operators to battalions for their advanced and battalion/AO specific training? It's a more standard system that all top Western SF follow AFAIK that will churn out a more common product?


Few things I learned today, RR guys are qualified for heli rappeling, RR guys use flashbang grenades and even use coupled magazines. Good to see India’s indigenous holographic optic instead of the more common EOTech 512.
Fast roping is a skill taught to pretty much every Indian infantry soldier and at almost every regimental training centre there is a static helicopter tower used for this purpose.
 

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NSG signs MoU aimed to enhance proficiency as zero error force


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With focus on a dual mission, the National Security Guard (NSG) and the Rashtriya Raksha University (RRU) signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) for cooperation and collaboration aimed at strengthening the core competencies of the NSG, which are counter-terrorism, counter-IEDs, and anti-hijacking. DG NSG M A Ganapathy and Prof (Dr) Bimal N Patel, Vice-Chancellor RRU signed the MoU at the Manesar campus of NSG.


What happen to Indian National Defence University or INDU ? Where this RRU come from ? Mind it, RRU isn't a Defence University.
 

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What NSG do with M249 ??
I mean a Counter terror Agency with heavy weapon !! Which purpose ??
Part of an NSG deployment are K9, BDS/EOD, sniper and support weapon elements in addition to the assaulters (HITs)


not unheard of for police/CT units:

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Not 100% perfect but definitely a huge upgrade on the pistol shooting drills seen demonstrated by PARA (SF) to date and their shooting stances are a millions times better than their army counterparts. @Gessler
 

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There is a video of a NSG side arm shooting drill. The mag change/transition is incredibly slow.

Almost all of them take eyes of the target while changing mags
Sir just keep an eye on last two commandos they are changing mags faster as compare to others which means others need to do more practice
 

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again you dont reload pitol during cqb, if your main weapon goes down you transition to your pistol. You are not a civilian who is alone defending his home, These guys work as a team. Sub 1 second pistol reloads wont matter in real life, what matters are the fundamentals.
You saw some super speed low drag opterator montages and think thats how things work.
True that.
 

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@AVINASH4061 Sir, I don't get the idea behind the tactics shown in the first part of the video. It seems like they're peeling but they're way too close to the point that a grenade could do serious damage and there's only one guy suppressing. I don't know, they're just way too close for comfort. Any thoughts? It feels like something you'd use to train the 'fundamentals' rather than a viable tactic in the field.
They are GARUDS! Their drills are their drills none of our drills. No comments
PS- I hate these idiots who insert songs in such videos. Pathetic
 

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They are GARUDS! Their drills are their drills none of our drills. No comments
PS- I hate these idiots who insert songs in such videos. Pathetic
Sir what do you think, is the current SF stance of shooting at par with the C-Clamp which is hyped a lot?
 

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@AVINASH4061 sir, I’m sure you guys have practiced a lot of night jumps as insertions from helicopters in the dark, do Army Aviation Corps helicopter pilots use night vision binoculars? Cause if I’m not wrong for operating in difficult terrain at night they require this capability, I’ve heard m17 pilots of the airforce use Russian Noga NODs, do army aviation corps Dhruv ALH pilots use such NODs and if you know which one could you tell us please?
AN AVS 9 NODs were purchased by the Indian Navy for the new MH 60 Romeos and IAF has purchased the same with C130 Js.
 
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@AVINASH4061 sir, I’m sure you guys have practiced a lot of night jumps as insertions from helicopters in the dark, do Army Aviation Corps helicopter pilots use night vision binoculars? Cause if I’m not wrong for operating in difficult terrain at night they require this capability, I’ve heard m17 pilots of the airforce use Russian Noga NODs, do army aviation corps Dhruv ALH pilots use such NODs and if you know which one could you tell us please?
@AVINASH4061 did you use any night vision device while performing night jumps? If yes which one and if no, then how do u navigate to the landing point.

And one more question in today's time where countries have good air defence and drones, how effective will para dropping be in combat. Cause if I am not wrong there last para drop by IA in combat was in 71 Tangail.
 

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@AVINASH4061 sir, I’m sure you guys have practiced a lot of night jumps as insertions from helicopters in the dark, do Army Aviation Corps helicopter pilots use night vision binoculars? Cause if I’m not wrong for operating in difficult terrain at night they require this capability, I’ve heard m17 pilots of the airforce use Russian Noga NODs, do army aviation corps Dhruv ALH pilots use such NODs and if you know which one could you tell us please?
I for obvious reasons will not tell the name of the equipments, but the pilots do have the passive night sight enabled helmets.
 

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