Indian Special Forces

[rkhanna]

I'd assume having your leg out far behind you affects the physics much like a Kangaroo's tail and would be a good tradeoff for the slightly increased exposure of body parts.

Additionally (At least for me) when you bent the top knee beyond 90 degrees and hold it for a longer time it adds strain and its harder to move out of that position in a hurry. the 'American' way that you mention is a bit quicker and adds less strain to the joints. - also you are basically coming off a 'Lunge' position and your body is balanced vs an awkward squat position with your feet not really squared.

 

[Waanar]

Additionally (At least for me) when you bent the top knee beyond 90 degrees and hold it for a longer time it adds strain and its harder to move out of that position in a hurry. the 'American' way that you mention is a bit quicker and adds less strain to the joints. - also you are basically coming off a 'Lunge' position and your body is balanced vs an awkward squat position with your feet not really squared.

That's all well and good till your 90 KG buddy with 50 KG of gear sprints right on your ankle while peeling and you hear a supersonic crack which only bullets should make.

As long as you're aware of what's behind you, it's great, but that stance makes me insecure for some reason.

Jeeps, tanks, IFVs, that one buddy who doesn't like to run and stuffs his face with shudh ghee Jalebi, all can wreak havoc on your mobility if you don't pay attention.

Also, you are safely behind a rock and the druggee ghazis see dem lil toes poking out.

 

[rkhanna]

That's all well and good till your 90 KG buddy with 50 KG of gear sprints right on your ankle while peeling and you hear a supersonic crack which only bullets should make.

Train, train and train. Rain Sleet or Snow, Light or Dark. Train. Muscle memory will tell you where your buddy is.

 

[Underground Soldier]

Exactly. Way too many snowflakes out there!

If they see some of the posts made by our members here only, they will stop following DFI on Twitter.

 

[ManhattanProject]

Para SF's M4a1 setup is kinda similiar to that of DELTA(1st SFOD-D)'s setup during the early days of GWOT

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what i find funny is all 4 in fron have different camo on their pants.

 

[Haldilal]

what i find funny is all 4 in fron have different camo on their pants.

Ya'll Nibbiars its not technical that we have different cameo even in the same units but due to simple reasons. The administrative one's.

1 . Even if the cameo is standard the pattern and shades are different any changes depending on the region.

2 . When your are transfered from one region to another then ofcourse the difference will be visible.

3 . You can't issue new uniforms every time and sadly even this process is haunted by beauractic and not only due to the financial problems.

4 . And if in a constant rotating job or unit then it's a problems.

I may be right or wrong on the few points but that what I have read and undertand's.

 

[ManhattanProject]

There is also the Mahindra LSV (which is based on the HDT Storm SRTV i guess), developed with their global partner HDT Global USA.

looks sick

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Ya'll Nibbiars its not technical that we have different cameo even in the same units but due to simple reasons. The administrative one's.

1 . Even if the cameo is standard the pattern and shades are different any changes depending on the region.

2 . When your are transfered from one region to another then ofcourse the difference will be visible.

3 . You can't issue new uniforms every time and sadly even this process is haunted by beauractic and not only due to the financial problems.

4 . And if in a constant rotating job or unit then it's a problems.

I may be right or wrong on the few points but that what I have read and undertand's.

You are wrong.It doesnt work that way.

 

[Haldilal]

You are wrong.It doesnt work that way.

Ya'll Nibbiars to phir kaise?.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Ya'll Nibbiars to phir kaise?.

Army issues camo and dmx boots which is not upto the mark soldiers want.

They buy stuff from the market.If you lived near a cantt area you can come across many such shops.

There its like a store.You buy what you like and in the field deployments discipline regarding uniform is not strict.

Hence you wear what you want.

Thatswhy most badass troops dont ever like serving in Peace areas.

 

[Haldilal]

Army issues camo and dmx boots which is not upto the mark soldiers want.

They buy stuff from the market.If you lived near a cantt area you can come across many such shops.

There its like a store.You buy what you like and in the field deployments discipline regarding uniform is not strict.

Hence you wear what you want.

Thatswhy most badass troops dont ever like serving in Peace areas.

Ya'll Nibbiars time to demolish the OFB. Let's hope some OEM like Arvind, Raymond's, Century, Alok, Amartya, Grasim, Kapotex, Kesoram Rayon, Birla Textile, Bombay Deying etc would manufactures high quality uniforms and fabric material's.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Ya'll Nibbiars time to demolish the OFB. Let's hope some OEM like Arvind, Raymond's, Century, Alok, Amartya, Grasim, Kapolei, Kesoram Rayon, Birla Textile, Bombay Deying etc would manufactures high quality uniforms and fabric material's.

Thats how it is supposed to be.Corporates do it this way.

First bunch can be a gift on joining.Rest whatever the need be can be cut from the salary after the need request by the soldier.

Strict punishment should be given on producing fake copies.

This way even the terrorist will have a tough time finding uniforms for fidayeen attacks

 

[Pig benis on sushy]

Thats how it is supposed to be.Corporates do it this way.

First bunch can be a gift on joining.Rest whatever the need be can be cut from the salary after the need request by the soldier.

Strict punishment should be given on producing fake copies.

This way even the terrorist will have a tough time finding uniforms for fidayeen attacks

I don't think I lt will happen if government doesn't support or drdo doesn't guide+ ofb will be on strike govt. Needs to handle them they are real pain in az

 

[Haldilal]

Ya'll Nibbiars I remember what a Senior Officer of the India Army once said who helpd in many administrative technical work's and drafts that we Indians are extremely good at the Planning and drafting. But are poor in exucation and impelation's. And said further that what ever is taught in the training is simply forgetting and not done accordingly.

 

[abingdonboy]

FM LSV is again not up to the expectations. Being sub standard is our motto amd forte. Cheers

that’s disappointing but not surprising, the don’t exactly look world class nor is FM synonymous with innovation

What exactly are the issues?

para SF need mercedes G or defender type vehicle am I correct sir

Defenders are horrendously unreliable. G wagons though are the gold standard, the kind of custom versions they deliver for Australian and French SOFs are ideal.

Like this

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these aren’t suitable for LRRP type missions that 10 Para does , these are more suitable for ghataks and perhaps Garuds for quick strike missions coming out of a helo.

Para SF's M4a1 setup is kinda similiar to that of DELTA(1st SFOD-D)'s setup during the early days of GWOT

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Indian SF are today where tier 1 US SOFa were in the mid/late 90s. The gap is only widening FYI

A gap that can be reduced in 2or3 years if we have the will but in our contest its out of the world

Indeed and this is the frustration.

look at what the Russians were able to do with their SF- today they are almost indistinguishable from any NATO SOF

what’s missing is the awareness and the willingness

Whenever modernisation is discussed wrt to Indian SFs it is only ever piecemeal- a few small arms here and there. Not a top to bottom overhaul like others approach modernisation.

 

[abingdonboy]

Seperate para sf and airborne.airborne has been getting stuff meant for para sf for years .first they got tavour but it makes sense because they are paratroopers and need a short rifle.now they got ex fil high cuts and now are practically undistungashable from para sf

weird logic. Para (airborne) are better at getting good gear and exercise better discipline so you want to punish them?

agreed that PARA (airborne) should be split off though,the army needs a SF regiment and a para regiment not a para regiment with SF and airborne battalions

We don't have a tier one force

Nop AFSOD if they are in full operational readiness

AFSOD, the the nth time, is NOT a tier 1 SMU, they are a proof of concept to validate a tri-service C&C mechanism.

The idea is to expand AFSOD into a full fledged command at some point

There were some murmurs about a very specialised unit being carved out of PARA SF by Army HQ with 4 squadrons and support staff but (hopefully for good reasons) there haven’t been many updates since then. This would be an actual tier 1 unit if there was going to be one, of course budget constraints have likely impacted this too.

as of now the closest India has to tier 1 is SG and god knows what they do (perhaps better we don’t know

Look at the recoil.

Poor stance and recoil anticipation. There are other videos of the 716I on auto with quite minimal recoil, Indian soldiers still seem to be getting to grips with it and there’s been quite a few guys embarrassing themselves like this with it.

 

[Spadex]

Google it

You must be talkin about the SIG 716 G2 rifle whic is very different from the IA's SIG 716 "i" rifle.....the 716 G2 (DMR) features a short-stroke pushrod gas system. While our specifically made SIG 716 Features a direct impingement system, the DI system significantly decreased the recoil of 7.62 NATO + the shorter 16 inches [406 mm] free floating barrel further decreases the kick. It a good rifle, our soldiers are not used to battle rifle let them train a little and they will handle the recoil like a champ

Google it

Google it

Nop its a battle rifle dude technically it can be considered as DMR but it is not in this contest

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

looks sick

Isis design bureau , tikrit was consulted to design this.
Hell even abu hajjar had a better vehicle than this.

 

[ManhattanProject]

Isis design bureau , tikrit was consulted to design this.
Hell even abu hajjar had a better vehicle than this.

if abu hajar had a better vehicle he wouldnt be rolling his way back to safety.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Hows our Aerial Sniping?

Anyone has any pictures?

I think NSG was practicing it in 2014 which was told to me by a Ex NSG guy.