Indian Special Forces

[rkhanna]

Go read about Lt Gen Hanut Singh Rathore
Told his Jawans remain bachelor whole life if you really want to be a soldier Lt Gen Hanut was a Saint Soldier

hmm. Since the birth of time - Soldiers have had families.

 

[Inderjeet Singh]

hmm. Since the birth of time - Soldiers have had families.

Know that but here I'm talking about Lt Gen Hanut intellect His sacrifice towards Mother India in his whole life He followed only 2 things Soldiering and Bhakti His tank tactics still taught in Army

 

[abingdonboy]

Let me clarify and give context to my comment

1. Yes by law and procedure anybody can apply for the SAS and US GB including Civlians. (Civilian application is also allowed in india technically.

2. BUT the average age of almost every incoming class for these type of SOF units is mid-late twenties. So the MAJORITY of successful applicants come from the Paras/Airborne/Rangers. Tier I units like Delta and ISA the incomign class is even as old as early 30s (try a search on SOFREP - have read a number of articles on this

3. Above is for All applicants not Just officers. I am comparing All ranks of the US with Indian officers as in the US units are NCO let, in India they are officer led. Example Delta cadre are usually staffed with SGTs and above. thats a hella lot of experience. That being said even the induction of ORs in our SF tend to be extremely young as well.

4. ALL above are for Army SOF units ONLY - like I said not include AF and Navy units (exceptions being USMC and RMC - where candidates first spend time in the mother unit before applying for MARSOC/SBS
[Hence Naval / AF operators are younger - and while they make FINE SOF operators they are actually pretty shit soldiers - this includes DevGru. There is a reason why Devgru goes into battle with a Ranger QRT as backup

5. DELTA is not equivalent to SG - but yes the point of veterans is correct. IMO Delta's only equivalent outside the US is the SAS - not basis capability but by Political Mandate.

6. Younger Applicants in the west while passing the physical tend to washout in the Interview Phase. Primarily reason their Tacitical Knowledge is classroom and their Strategic Thinking ability is ZERO. Western SOF tends to choose independent thinkers - which masks a deep contrast from Rangers / USMC (for example) where thinking independently is highly discouraged for Unit Cohesion.

7. The GWOT HAS seen a dilution of standards in SOCOM AND JSOC. both from an ability (IQ) perspective, mentally fit perspective while keeping physical Standards intact. lessons - IT IS EASIER building up a unit with extreme physical standards only. It is harder matching physical standards to Warfighting IQ

Agree with all of the above

like I’ve said before- Para SF is more of a US Army Ranger regiment commando/DA type force than a SF by employment and nature. Ranger regiment generally has young recruits (18-19) straight from basic training.

I believe US Army SF’s lowest rank is an E-6/7 because they want their soldiers to be able to able to lead conventional infantry units in the field if required. Hence by nature they’ll generally be more experienced and seasoned than the average recruit into any Indian SF. When you hear of Para SF officers leading units at 22-23 it’s pretty wild.

Considering Para SF still don’t have a centralised selection or training process and each battalion does things their own way I think the human capital and training aspect is still a mystery to the Indian army, give a man some jump wings, a maroon beret and a Tavor and they are the best of the best.

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

 

[rkhanna]

I believe US Army SF’s lowest rank is an E-6/7 because they want their soldiers to be able to able to lead conventional infantry units in the field if required.

Correct. Great point. Just goes to show that Western/Modern SOF capability needs to be defined down to the nth permutation and need for every particular unit.


Here in India Paras believer they can do SF job. SF belives they can do NSG Job. CRPF Cobra belives they are can do SF job and so on. and its a circle jerk that would make pornhub blush.

 

[Inderjeet Singh]

What Happened to Vz58 after Tavor induction we never saw it again?

 

[Inderjeet Singh]

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[Inderjeet Singh]

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

 

[ManhattanProject]

We are getting clapped by somalians now.

 

[skunk works]

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Is this fuking unobtanium ? It's been three years
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Jernails be like "Jetpack aaega to no need for sights"

 

[skunk works]

Let me clarify and give context to my comment

1. Yes by law and procedure anybody can apply for the SAS and US GB including Civlians. (Civilian application is also allowed in india technically.

2. BUT the average age of almost every incoming class for these type of SOF units is mid-late twenties. So the MAJORITY of successful applicants come from the Paras/Airborne/Rangers. Tier I units like Delta and ISA the incomign class is even as old as early 30s (try a search on SOFREP - have read a number of articles on this

3. Above is for All applicants not Just officers. I am comparing All ranks of the US with Indian officers as in the US units are NCO let, in India they are officer led. Example Delta cadre are usually staffed with SGTs and above. thats a hella lot of experience. That being said even the induction of ORs in our SF tend to be extremely young as well.

4. ALL above are for Army SOF units ONLY - like I said not include AF and Navy units (exceptions being USMC and RMC - where candidates first spend time in the mother unit before applying for MARSOC/SBS
[Hence Naval / AF operators are younger - and while they make FINE SOF operators they are actually pretty shit soldiers - this includes DevGru. There is a reason why Devgru goes into battle with a Ranger QRT as backup

5. DELTA is not equivalent to SG - but yes the point of veterans is correct. IMO Delta's only equivalent outside the US is the SAS - not basis capability but by Political Mandate.

6. Younger Applicants in the west while passing the physical tend to washout in the Interview Phase. Primarily reason their Tacitical Knowledge is classroom and their Strategic Thinking ability is ZERO. Western SOF tends to choose independent thinkers - which masks a deep contrast from Rangers / USMC (for example) where thinking independently is highly discouraged for Unit Cohesion.

7. The GWOT HAS seen a dilution of standards in SOCOM AND JSOC. both from an ability (IQ) perspective, mentally fit perspective while keeping physical Standards intact. lessons - IT IS EASIER building up a unit with extreme physical standards only. It is harder matching physical standards to Warfighting IQ

What?? Sources on direct civilian application for SAS?

 

[NotASussyBoi]

Jernails be like "Jetpack aaega to no need for sights"

we could probably buy a battalion worth of plate carrier with that heck its from gravity industries , we could turn give a new paint to para sf with a new kit

 

[Jedi Operator]

Jernails be like "Jetpack aaega to no need for sights"

somehow Jetpack joyride seemed more realistic than improving drills and equipment. Oh! setting up a mandate?
Na....that's for Bisrelians

 

[abingdonboy]

we could probably buy a battalion worth of plate carrier with that heck its from gravity industries , we could turn give a new paint to para sf with a new kit

Even if they were thrown money and all PARA SF looked like CAG equipment wise, do we think they’d perform on par? The doctrine, organisational structure, support and training just isn’t there to make a credible SF in india. DA/commando type units are the best that can be aimed for

 

[abingdonboy]

somehow Jetpack joyride seemed more realistic than improving drills and equipment. Oh! setting up a mandate?
Na....that's for Bisrelians

100% this. Much much easier to create paper specs based on watching YouTube videos and issue RFIs than to do the hard work of creating doctrine or honing skills.

any idiot can buy a Ferrari, does that make them Charles leclerc?

 

[Jedi Operator]

Most countries have a clear distinction between Special Operations Forces, Special Operations Capable Units and Conventional units.

For instance, In US, JSOC and SOCOM is Special Operations Forces, Marine Recon, TACPs and Rangers are Special Operations Capable and 82nd Airborne is conventional

In the UK, UKSF is Special Operations Forces, Pathfinders and Royal Marines are Special Operations Capable, while Gurkhas and Paras are conventional.

Here in India, everybody classifies themselves as Special Operations, are more aligned to Special Operations Capable in terms of tasks they are assigned and still gets treated like a conventional unit.

 

[ALBY]

Guess whom we copied for the present camo?

 

[ALBY]

To storage and to some RR and infantry units

 

[kaboom]

One of the primary roles of Garud's is establishing airbases in hostile territory . Isn't this role impossible to achieve if they do not have Atc or Jtac capability ?