Indian Special Forces

[AlphaRaiderZ]

AFSOD dead?

Alive On pen paper and media .

Dead in practicality and application and official designation .

 

[OFBkaRakhwala]

AFSOD dead?

They were doing validation exercises not long ago

 

[Nightshade1992]

By the way just for your info the green berets couldn't perform well in the lush jungles. All those equipments they are wearing worn them down. They had to shed the plate carriers/tac vest and switch to chest rigs. They opted to wear helmets but regretted it considering many of them were removing their helmets due to severe itching caused by sweat and humidity. The peltor headsets caused severe itching in their ears too. The equipments they were wearing was optimal for dry arid heat of Afghanistan not humid jungles of India.
A similar thing happened with MARCOS unit that went to train with the seals in the cold sea.The marine commandos who were used to luke warm/normal temp sea water couldn't cope with the low temp sea water in US. Half of the operators went through severe hypothermia as opposed to their US counterparts.

What I am trying to denote by these examples is that at the end of the day SF are not super heroes. They are human who also need to adapt to different climatic conditions. While the equipments and gears might give them an edge but the operator still suffers. Indian jungle conditions and himalayan mountains are no joke.
The green beret example is that of the recently concluded Vajra Prahar. Also i noticed one of the member pointed out that one Indian looks like a talibani. Well that's an US operator who completely adapted according to the Indian operators. He shed his gears and borrowed equipments from the para SF for the duration of the simulated ops deep inside the jungles.

 

[Nightshade1992]

Please note I am not defending the sub standard and half assed equipments that the PARA SF use but lets give them credits where it's due.

 

[Arjun Mk1A]

AFSOD dead?

Without CDS things will not move out. AFSOD emphasized on Quality Special Ops team, but now we are basically converting the airborne resulting in a big Para SF. This thing is absolutely opposite to what AFSOD stands for.

CDS is basically the ring master for the circus. No ringmaster the circus will not make people happy but create trouble for everyone.

 

[OFBkaRakhwala]

By the way just for your info the green berets couldn't perform well in the lush jungles. All those equipments they are wearing worn them down. They had to shed the plate carriers/tac vest and switch to chest rigs. They opted to wear helmets but regretted it considering many of them were removing their helmets due to severe itching caused by sweat and humidity. The peltor headsets caused severe itching in their ears too. The equipments they were wearing was optimal for dry arid heat of Afghanistan not humid jungles of India.
A similar thing happened with MARCOS unit that went to train with the seals in the cold sea.The marine commandos who were used to luke warm/normal temp sea water couldn't cope with the low temp sea water in US. Half of the operators went through severe hypothermia as opposed to their US counterparts.

What I am trying to denote by these examples is that at the end of the day SF are not super heroes. They are human who also need to adapt to different climatic conditions. While the equipments and gears might give them an edge but the operator still suffers. Indian jungle conditions and himalayan mountains are no joke.
The green beret example is that of the recently concluded Vajra Prahar. Also i noticed one of the member pointed out that one Indian looks like a talibani. Well that's an US operator who completely adapted according to the Indian operators. He shed his gears and borrowed equipments from the para SF for the duration of the simulated ops deep inside the jungles.

Well they looked like they are just too tired after the exercise compared to Indians

 

[jai jaganath]

Why convert airborne to SF tho? Who will be airborne then?

In an unit 200-250 soldiers will be assigned for Airborne role
What a mess

 

[rkhanna]

In an unit 200-250 soldiers will be assigned for Airborne role
What a mess

Airborne troops are supposed to insert behind enemy lines take an objective and hold it till relieved by the main force. 71 eastern sector had classic air mobile and air borne operations.
These are battalion+ sized manouvers. What will 200 soldiers each across multiple battalions achieve?

 

[Inderjeet Singh]

By the way just for your info the green berets couldn't perform well in the lush jungles. All those equipments they are wearing worn them down. They had to shed the plate carriers/tac vest and switch to chest rigs. They opted to wear helmets but regretted it considering many of them were removing their helmets due to severe itching caused by sweat and humidity. The peltor headsets caused severe itching in their ears too. The equipments they were wearing was optimal for dry arid heat of Afghanistan not humid jungles of India.
A similar thing happened with MARCOS unit that went to train with the seals in the cold sea.The marine commandos who were used to luke warm/normal temp sea water couldn't cope with the low temp sea water in US. Half of the operators went through severe hypothermia as opposed to their US counterparts.

What I am trying to denote by these examples is that at the end of the day SF are not super heroes. They are human who also need to adapt to different climatic conditions. While the equipments and gears might give them an edge but the operator still suffers. Indian jungle conditions and himalayan mountains are no joke.
The green beret example is that of the recently concluded Vajra Prahar. Also i noticed one of the member pointed out that one Indian looks like a talibani. Well that's an US operator who completely adapted according to the Indian operators. He shed his gears and borrowed equipments from the para SF for the duration of the simulated ops deep inside the jungles.

No way that Para SF guy who looks like Talibani now you told me is a American look at his size and colour May be he his kashmiri Para SF

 

[Nightshade1992]

No way that Para SF guy who looks like Talibani now you told me is a American look at his size and colour May be he his kashmiri Para SF

He is a green beret. Not Indian. I am stating this because I know one of the officers who took part in that exercise.

 

[jai jaganath]

Airborne troops are supposed to insert behind enemy lines take an objective and hold it till relieved by the main force. 71 eastern sector had classic air mobile and air borne operations.
These are battalion+ sized manouvers. What will 200 soldiers each across multiple battalions achieve?

It was reported by some sources in dfi
That's what I am quoting

 

[Kumaoni]

Airborne troops are supposed to insert behind enemy lines take an objective and hold it till relieved by the main force. 71 eastern sector had classic air mobile and air borne operations.
These are battalion+ sized manouvers. What will 200 soldiers each across multiple battalions achieve?

In an unit 200-250 soldiers will be assigned for Airborne role
What a mess

Oh boy. Maulana Modi is a mess.

 

[Kumaoni]

Main reason they don’t perform well is because they don’t have the experience

By the way just for your info the green berets couldn't perform well in the lush jungles. All those equipments they are wearing worn them down. They had to shed the plate carriers/tac vest and switch to chest rigs. They opted to wear helmets but regretted it considering many of them were removing their helmets due to severe itching caused by sweat and humidity. The peltor headsets caused severe itching in their ears too. The equipments they were wearing was optimal for dry arid heat of Afghanistan not humid jungles of India.
A similar thing happened with MARCOS unit that went to train with the seals in the cold sea.The marine commandos who were used to luke warm/normal temp sea water couldn't cope with the low temp sea water in US. Half of the operators went through severe hypothermia as opposed to their US counterparts.

What I am trying to denote by these examples is that at the end of the day SF are not super heroes. They are human who also need to adapt to different climatic conditions. While the equipments and gears might give them an edge but the operator still suffers. Indian jungle conditions and himalayan mountains are no joke.
The green beret example is that of the recently concluded Vajra Prahar. Also i noticed one of the member pointed out that one Indian looks like a talibani. Well that's an US operator who completely adapted according to the Indian operators. He shed his gears and borrowed equipments from the para SF for the duration of the simulated ops deep inside the jungles.

 

[jai jaganath]

Oh boy. Maulana Modi is a mess.

From where does modiji came into the discussion

 

[Kumaoni]

From where does modiji came into the discussion

It’s under his presidency this mess is happening and nothing is being done about. No veteran look this in the eye and agree with it. Whose going to be the airborne now?

 

[jai jaganath]

It’s under his presidency this mess is happening and nothing is being done about. No veteran look this in the eye and agree with it. Whose going to be the airborne now?

It's the decision of army top brass
Weren't they trained to be best officers with rational thinking
Mudiji is pm and those who advice him have taken the decision he has no knowledge regarding sof

 

[ManhattanProject]

By the way just for your info the green berets couldn't perform well in the lush jungles. All those equipments they are wearing worn them down. They had to shed the plate carriers/tac vest and switch to chest rigs. They opted to wear helmets but regretted it considering many of them were removing their helmets due to severe itching caused by sweat and humidity. The peltor headsets caused severe itching in their ears too. The equipments they were wearing was optimal for dry arid heat of Afghanistan not humid jungles of India.
A similar thing happened with MARCOS unit that went to train with the seals in the cold sea.The marine commandos who were used to luke warm/normal temp sea water couldn't cope with the low temp sea water in US. Half of the operators went through severe hypothermia as opposed to their US counterparts.

What I am trying to denote by these examples is that at the end of the day SF are not super heroes. They are human who also need to adapt to different climatic conditions. While the equipments and gears might give them an edge but the operator still suffers. Indian jungle conditions and himalayan mountains are no joke.
The green beret example is that of the recently concluded Vajra Prahar. Also i noticed one of the member pointed out that one Indian looks like a talibani. Well that's an US operator who completely adapted according to the Indian operators. He shed his gears and borrowed equipments from the para SF for the duration of the simulated ops deep inside the jungles.

Garandthumb has talked about jungle warfare before, telling me somehow the green berets were caught offguard and their equipment not suiting is bull. They have already trained in rain forests all across south east asia. And those lighter helmets and chest rigs are standard issue, they didnt swap them out because they were caught offguard.

 

[abingdonboy]

Trust me bro

 

[abingdonboy]

The only major upgrade I see coming for them is more flattop Tavor , more px4 , more spec ops apparel and tactical gamchha/shemaghs . Hopeful to see more pistol LAMs , quantam mech holsters , new PCs , Steiner i2 DBALs , and hopefully a few sigs in SOF service

Sorry to say but this is just superficial masala stuff and the fact that this is where 95% of the conversation for Indian SOF goes around in highlights the issue. Give para SF a bunch of high end AR style SBRs and are they suddenly on Delta’s level? The whole system from selection to training to deployments makes them little more than light infantry highly focused on COIN.

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

He is a green beret. Not Indian. I am stating this because I know one of the officers who took part in that exercise.

What does the officer have to say about cqb drills, night fighting with GB? And is there any chance of improvement in equipment in the future?