Indian Special Forces (archived)

[Holy Triad]

Indian Special Group (R&AW) soldier with a Tar-21 and khukri

 

[12arya]

From The Hills of Palampur. After The long wait of 21 years Statue of Legend MAJOR SUDHIR KUMAR WALIA 9 PARA (SF) Sena Medal *,Ashok Chakra (P)

 

[fire starter]

 

[JConline]

Can someone verify whether this is kolkata police?

Yes, that is the Kolkata Police Commando Force. These guys are actually pretty well trained and moderately armed. The commandos first have to serve for 3 years in the Kolkata Police QRT and then are send to NSG for a 6 month long training after which they are inducted into the commando force. They are equipped with Glocks, kitted out AKs and MP5s. They also use equipments like NODs and Shields.

 

[Edyk12]

Yes, that is the Kolkata Police Commando Force. These guys are actually pretty well trained and moderately armed. The commandos first have to serve for 3 years in the Kolkata Police QRT and then are send to NSG for a 6 month long training after which they are inducted into the commando force. They are equipped with Glocks, kitted out AKs and MP5s. They also use equipments like NODs and Shields.

Great.

 

[Brahmaputra Mail 2]

Old footage of 4 Para SF operation in an Army camp in Uri.

 

[abingdonboy]

Never seen NSG with B&T MP9 before
They also bought 10 UZI PRO last year

Not convinced this is NSG buddy

 

[rkhanna]

Hearing reports that the counter action on the border today was SFF and heavy weapon use also cited (LMG/MMG) anybody can confirm ?

Tibetians operators involved as well.

 

[Holy Triad]

Cross posting from china thread,

Senior Tibetan Office of the Special Frontier Force (#SFF) was killed in a landmine blast & another young Tibetan Jawan was seriously injured in #IndoTibetBorder #Ladakh, #China's #PLA is responsible,
we'll retaliate. #FreeTibet #IndiaChinaFaceOff #IndianArmy





Om Shanthi!!!

 

[rkhanna]

The khampas are finally getting their day

 

[captscooby81]

Not sure about the calibre of weapons used. But VIKAS was surely part of yesterday action along with Dogra and Gorkha guys .

Hearing reports that the counter action on the border today was SFF and heavy weapon use also cited (LMG/MMG) anybody can confirm ?

Tibetians operators involved as well.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Desi Indian boys beating Up chini gucci gear

 

[captscooby81]

Exactly Finally they are being used for the purpose they were raised and sustained for 50 long years . Psychological mind game for the Hans getting trashed by tibetians

The khampas are finally getting their day

 

[Mikel]

Hearing reports that the counter action on the border today was SFF and heavy weapon use also cited (LMG/MMG) anybody can confirm ?

Tibetians operators involved as well.

This guy first broke the news about weapons being used (LMG+MMG). He also says the operation was carried out in pitch darkness. So maybe we do have some gucci gear when we need it

In the impenetrable garb on darkness, couple of days back, 3 prestigious units of the Indian Army snatched back the icy peak from the throat of the the so called 'mighty hans'. The adversary was caught by surprise and was overwhelmed and dislodged.

 

[AZTEC]

Former Western Army Commander says that Vikas battalion of SFF has captured strategic heights South of Pangong Tso a short while ago.

He might be referring to 4 VIKAS a.k.a. Special Group.

 

[AZTEC]

PLA aggression in Pangong resumes, Indian Special Forces launch a counter

Sources say Indian soldiers from nearby Thakung post intervened, to try and prevent PLA from building defences. Physical clashes followed, but no reports of firing or casualties on either side

www.business-standard.com

PLA aggression in Pangong, Indian Special Forces launch a counter

By Ajai Shukla

Business Standard, 1st Sept 20



The failure of three months of military and diplomatic dialogue in persuading Beijing to withdraw its troops from Eastern Ladakh was underlined on Sunday when hundreds of soldiers of China’s People’s Liberation Army (PLA) crossed into the Indian side of the Line of Actual Control (LAC) south of Pangong Tso lake, occupied a mountain called Helmet Top and began building fortifications.



Credible government sources say Indian soldiers from the nearby Thakung post intervened, to try and prevent the PLA from building defences. Physical clashes followed, though there are no reports of firing or casualties on either side.



Sources say, the PLA now occupies Helmet Top, as well as a nearby feature called Black Top, both of which are on the Indian side of the LAC. From here, Chinese soldiers can observe and track Indian movements across the Pangong lake and as far away as India’s tactically vital Chushul garrison.



“On the night of 29/30 August, PLA troops violated the consensus arrived at during military and diplomatic engagements… and carried out provocative military movements to change the status quo,” said the Indian army on Monday.



“Indian troops pre-empted this PLA activity on the southern bank of Pangong Tso Lake, undertook measures to strengthen our positions and thwart Chinese intentions to unilaterally change facts on ground,” said the army statement.



“A brigade commander-level flag meeting is in progress in Chushul to resolve the issues,” it said.



Indian officials, however, are keeping silent about a counter operation, launched on Sunday night by soldiers of a secretive Indian commando force called the Special Frontier Force (SFF). Consisting of soldiers recruited from the Tibetan refugee community in India and formed into what are termed “Vikas battalions”, an SFF detachment is reported to have occupied key heights that China claims as their own.



There are differing accounts of what transpired but, according to one source, the SFF detachment clashed with Chinese troops and inflicted significant casualties on them. One Tibetan SFF officer was reportedly killed and at least two injured in the operation.



On Monday, the PLA Western Theater Command, which is responsible for the entire Sino-Indian border, accused India of “illegally crossing the line” on August 31 at two points – the south bank of Pangong Lake and near Rezang La. The statement said India had "blatantly provoked and caused tension on the border” and had “undermined the consensus reached” at the diplomatic and military talks.



Stating that "This move by the Indian side seriously violated China's territorial sovereignty,” the PLA said it, is "taking necessary countermeasures, will pay close attention to developments and resolutely safeguard China's territorial sovereignty and peace and stability in border areas.”



The Pangong sector has been bitterly contested since the PLA trespassed across the LAC here in mid-May. The bulk of the Chinese force occupied the lake’s northern bank, up to a point called Finger 4. Meanwhile, several hundred PLA soldiers climbed the hills that overlook Pangong lake from the north and entrenched themselves on a dominating height called Green Top, where they still remain.



Meanwhile, another 2,000 Chinese soldiers crossed the LAC into the Pangong lake’s south bank and began patrolling up to a mountain called Black Top, which adjoins Helmet Top and India’s important Thakung Post.



Both Black Top and Helmet Top are on India’s side of the LAC. The PLA’s occupation of both features has effectively shifted the LAC westwards, to China’s advantage.



Sources on the ground say the PLA brought along enough building materials to Helmet Top to construct fortifications for three-four infantry companies (300-400 soldiers).



On the north bank of the Pangong lake, the PLA has shifted the LAC to its advantage by about eight kilometres, from Finger 8 to Finger 4. On the south bank, however, the strongly held Thakung post – which has a mixed garrison of army soldiers and Indo-Tibetan Border Police (ITBP) troopers – continues to dominate the Pangong lake’s southern bank and observe Chinese activity on the lake and even on the north bank.



India has reinforced Eastern Ladakh strongly and there is anger amongst soldiers and young officers at what they perceive as Chinese perfidy. Many are convinced China is maintaining the pretence of dialogue and negotiations in order to create the opportunity to occupy more Indian territory.



“The Indian Army is committed to maintaining peace and tranquillity through dialogue, but is also equally determined to protect its territorial integrity,” stated the army tersely on Monday.



Even as the PLA’s continuing aggression in Pangong hogs the spotlight, senior Indian planners apprehend this might be a Chinese ploy to divert attention from Depsang, in Northern Ladakh, which might be China’s actual target.



Depsang offers the shortest and easiest route for Indian armoured columns to reach the strategic Tibet-Xinjiang road (Highway G219), the security of which is Beijing’s core sensitive in this area. PLA intrusions 15 kilometres into the Depsang sector have currently blocked Indian patrols’ routes to the LAC.



The Chinese are also clinging to advantageous positions they occupied in the Hot Spring – Gogra area. Despite an agreed withdrawal plan, the PLA is refusing to withdraw from a dominating hill feature its soldiers have occupied in the vicinity of India’s Gogra Post.

 

[AZTEC]

Some rare details about the SFF, thanks to Sandeep Unnithan’s book Operation X:

 

[Gessler]

He might be referring to 4 VIKAS a.k.a. Special Group.

No its probably 7 Vikas btn.

4 Vikas/SG is a Tier-1 style force. They don't do holding territory type stuff. Insert, execute objective, extract - that's how SG works.

Rest of SFF battalions however are geared for somewhat more conventional warfighting which includes infantry movement, capturing & holding territorial features etc.

PLA aggression in Pangong resumes, Indian Special Forces launch a counter

Sources say Indian soldiers from nearby Thakung post intervened, to try and prevent PLA from building defences. Physical clashes followed, but no reports of firing or casualties on either side

www.business-standard.com

PLA aggression in Pangong, Indian Special Forces launch a counter

By Ajai Shukla

Business Standard, 1st Sept 20



The failure of three months of military and diplomatic dialogue in persuading Beijing to withdraw its troops from Eastern Ladakh was underlined on Sunday when hundreds of soldiers of China’s People’s Liberation Army (PLA) crossed into the Indian side of the Line of Actual Control (LAC) south of Pangong Tso lake, occupied a mountain called Helmet Top and began building fortifications.



Credible government sources say Indian soldiers from the nearby Thakung post intervened, to try and prevent the PLA from building defences. Physical clashes followed, though there are no reports of firing or casualties on either side.



Sources say, the PLA now occupies Helmet Top, as well as a nearby feature called Black Top, both of which are on the Indian side of the LAC. From here, Chinese soldiers can observe and track Indian movements across the Pangong lake and as far away as India’s tactically vital Chushul garrison.



“On the night of 29/30 August, PLA troops violated the consensus arrived at during military and diplomatic engagements… and carried out provocative military movements to change the status quo,” said the Indian army on Monday.



“Indian troops pre-empted this PLA activity on the southern bank of Pangong Tso Lake, undertook measures to strengthen our positions and thwart Chinese intentions to unilaterally change facts on ground,” said the army statement.



“A brigade commander-level flag meeting is in progress in Chushul to resolve the issues,” it said.



Indian officials, however, are keeping silent about a counter operation, launched on Sunday night by soldiers of a secretive Indian commando force called the Special Frontier Force (SFF). Consisting of soldiers recruited from the Tibetan refugee community in India and formed into what are termed “Vikas battalions”, an SFF detachment is reported to have occupied key heights that China claims as their own.



There are differing accounts of what transpired but, according to one source, the SFF detachment clashed with Chinese troops and inflicted significant casualties on them. One Tibetan SFF officer was reportedly killed and at least two injured in the operation.



On Monday, the PLA Western Theater Command, which is responsible for the entire Sino-Indian border, accused India of “illegally crossing the line” on August 31 at two points – the south bank of Pangong Lake and near Rezang La. The statement said India had "blatantly provoked and caused tension on the border” and had “undermined the consensus reached” at the diplomatic and military talks.



Stating that "This move by the Indian side seriously violated China's territorial sovereignty,” the PLA said it, is "taking necessary countermeasures, will pay close attention to developments and resolutely safeguard China's territorial sovereignty and peace and stability in border areas.”



The Pangong sector has been bitterly contested since the PLA trespassed across the LAC here in mid-May. The bulk of the Chinese force occupied the lake’s northern bank, up to a point called Finger 4. Meanwhile, several hundred PLA soldiers climbed the hills that overlook Pangong lake from the north and entrenched themselves on a dominating height called Green Top, where they still remain.



Meanwhile, another 2,000 Chinese soldiers crossed the LAC into the Pangong lake’s south bank and began patrolling up to a mountain called Black Top, which adjoins Helmet Top and India’s important Thakung Post.



Both Black Top and Helmet Top are on India’s side of the LAC. The PLA’s occupation of both features has effectively shifted the LAC westwards, to China’s advantage.



Sources on the ground say the PLA brought along enough building materials to Helmet Top to construct fortifications for three-four infantry companies (300-400 soldiers).



On the north bank of the Pangong lake, the PLA has shifted the LAC to its advantage by about eight kilometres, from Finger 8 to Finger 4. On the south bank, however, the strongly held Thakung post – which has a mixed garrison of army soldiers and Indo-Tibetan Border Police (ITBP) troopers – continues to dominate the Pangong lake’s southern bank and observe Chinese activity on the lake and even on the north bank.



India has reinforced Eastern Ladakh strongly and there is anger amongst soldiers and young officers at what they perceive as Chinese perfidy. Many are convinced China is maintaining the pretence of dialogue and negotiations in order to create the opportunity to occupy more Indian territory.



“The Indian Army is committed to maintaining peace and tranquillity through dialogue, but is also equally determined to protect its territorial integrity,” stated the army tersely on Monday.



Even as the PLA’s continuing aggression in Pangong hogs the spotlight, senior Indian planners apprehend this might be a Chinese ploy to divert attention from Depsang, in Northern Ladakh, which might be China’s actual target.



Depsang offers the shortest and easiest route for Indian armoured columns to reach the strategic Tibet-Xinjiang road (Highway G219), the security of which is Beijing’s core sensitive in this area. PLA intrusions 15 kilometres into the Depsang sector have currently blocked Indian patrols’ routes to the LAC.



The Chinese are also clinging to advantageous positions they occupied in the Hot Spring – Gogra area. Despite an agreed withdrawal plan, the PLA is refusing to withdraw from a dominating hill feature its soldiers have occupied in the vicinity of India’s Gogra Post.

Don't believe a single word written by this moron. He is way too biased and anti-Govt so anything he says is to be taken with a truckload of salt, or rather not taken at all. The map in picture directly contradicts what he's saying. Or maybe he's referring to "Shukla perception of the LAC", which unlike the Indian & Chinese perceptions, keeps changing every few days.

In reality it appears we have captured significant portion of territory with the intent to HOLD, past the chinese perception of LAC (red line in that map).

Earlier this used to be territory both sides claimed & patrolled, but never held with permanent presence (in other words, just like the Fingers), Chinese wanted to build permanent presence there like they did on north bank but we thwarted it and are now holding said territory with forward movement, a clear indication of counter-occupation spearheaded by SFF forces....which means this is a RAW-led operation, which in turn means done with full knowledge & approval of NSA+PMO and not some decision taken by Army commander on the ground.

 

[AZTEC]

Former Western Army Commander says that Vikas battalion of SFF has captured strategic heights South of Pangong Tso a short while ago.

‘Bhaiyo aur beheno, aaj sabka saath, sabka Vikas hua hai’

Now China will ask an NGO to study why Tibetans are joining SFF!

Jokes aside, here’s a credible map of the approximate position of the SFF operation:

An Indian ‘quid pro quo’ operation in Ladakh?

China accuses India of ‘illegally trespassing’ the LAC on the southern bank of the Pangong Tso lake. The Indian Army says it thwarted Chinese intentions to alter the ground situation

www.indiatoday.in

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Thanks to the government for giving credit to the Special Units which are involved.

The UPA attitude of not giving permission or clearence or to deny things was not the best approach.

The best weapons are those which are never used.

Publicity is a must for SF..i disagree with whoever says publicity is bad for SF.

We must be having close to a brigade of SF unit deployment in the clash point i guess.