Indian Special Forces (archived)

[ALBY]

@Unknowncommando 2
Do u have any pic of typical backpack loadout of Para for long range ops?

 

[Spindrift]

Then how come they are selling Mp-5s, Msg-90s and PSG to various forces.There was an article on NSG not opting Mp7 citing the uncommon ammo. But afaik the ammo used in Mp5s too are imported and not made in India.

From what I understand, MP5, MSG-90 and PSG were bough prior to late or mid 2000s and there have not been any new significant purchases from H&K after they refused MP7s, not only NSG, but various police forces were interested in them, I know for certain that UP and Punjab police wanted them with UMP and USP

 

[ALBY]

From what I understand, MP5, MSG-90 and PSG were bough prior to late or mid 2000s and there have not been any new significant purchases from H&K after they refused MP7s, not only NSG, but various police forces were interested in them, I know for certain that UP and Punjab police wanted them with UMP and USP

Nope.Very recently they bought a new lot of Mp5s.There was article on it which was shared in this forum.

 

[rkhanna]

Nope.Very recently they bought a new lot of Mp5s.There was article on it which was shared in this forum.

Red tape delays weapon acquisition, forces obsolete guns on NSG gaurds

Bureaucratic red tape, complex clearance procedures and lack of political will has delayed the arrival of submachine guns and also made the government choose an obsolete version of the weapon.

www.indiatoday.in

 

[Unknowncommando 2]

 

[Unknowncommando 2]

@Unknowncommando 2
Do u have any pic of typical backpack loadout of Para for long range ops?

 

[ALBY]

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Lol.i meant the equipments/gear carried by them inside the backpack.

 

[Unknowncommando 2]

Lol.i meant the equipments/gear carried by them inside the backpack.

Oh didn't read it properly.

Only one close to what you asked. Kinda look like climbing equipment but not the long range ops combat loadout. Those pics are nearly impossible to get.

 

[JConline]

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@Unknowncommando 2 can you confirm if the second pic is of an AFSOD detachment because the detachment of special forces in the picture looked amply different from the traditional SF deployments. They all had M4 carbines for assault rifles beside Pikas and grenade launchers and all of them wore high cuts and were also accompanied by canines. Para SF teams never use canines as far as I know. So this specific detachment looked quite a bit different.

 

[EternalNxg]

@Unknowncommando 2 can you confirm if the second pic is of an AFSOD detachment because the detachment of special forces in the picture looked amply different from the traditional SF deployments. They all had M4 carbines for assault rifles beside Pikas and grenade launchers and all of them wore high cuts and were also accompanied by canines. Para SF teams never use canines as far as I know. So this specific detachment looked quite a bit different.

They are para SF operators.
Para SF have been spotted wearing exfil ballistic helmets in ladakh and the m4's? It's the Operators choice. There were some Operators with Tavor's also if u have seen the other pics. The canines? Mostly regarding the nature of the op. Terrorists had run away and to find them they must've used canines.

 

[Unknowncommando 2]

@Unknowncommando 2 can you confirm if the second pic is of an AFSOD detachment because the detachment of special forces in the picture looked amply different from the traditional SF deployments. They all had M4 carbines for assault rifles beside Pikas and grenade launchers and all of them wore high cuts and were also accompanied by canines. Para SF teams never use canines as far as I know. So this specific detachment looked quite a bit different.

PARA SF for sure and yes they have used K9s before depending on the op requirements.

 

[JConline]

PARA SF for sure and yes they have used K9s before depending on the op requirements.
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@Unknowncommando 2 Okay I'll restructure my question. What totally negates the dimension that this was an AFSOD detachment and not a Para SF one considering that the primary composition of AFSOD is of Para commandoes and this op was quite a bit of time into the deployment of AFSOD in Kashmir?

 

[ManhattanProject]

Not convinced this is NSG buddy

the guy who makes those videos regularly passes of foreign forces as indian.

 

[AZTEC]

I don't doubt it. But unless we have something to show for it it's the same as the Pakistanis saying we have ICBM called Timur

Debunking Pakistan’s ICBM claims is quite easy.
If Pakistan can indigenously build ballistic missiles, why can’t they build satellite-launch vehicles (SLV)?
Ballistic missiles and SLV are mostly similar technology. Both of them are rocket science. Most nations which have intermediate-range ballistic missiles also have SLV.

China has not allowed Pakistan to build missiles which can reach China’s east coast, because that can make China uncomfortable. China will withdraw support to Pak nuke program if Pak builds an ICBM (hypothetically saying).

On the other hand, high cuts with integrated comms are quite easily available in the market, unlike ICBMs. Comparing the latter with the former is a logical fallacy (no offense intended).

Even countries such as New Zealand - whose military is worth nothing on the overall - have it. NZSAS is decades ahead of Para SF in terms of gear.

Do you know what’s the reason for this? The reason is that New Zealand spends far more than India on it’s SF on a per capita basis. Moreover, there is less corruption in NZ.

But do you know? The per capita budget of Special Group is, more or less, equal to the per capita budget of NZSAS. How do I know this? By looking at the budget of Special Protection Group (SPG).

SPG Protection For PM Modi Now Has A Budget Of Nearly Rs 600 Crore

The government has increased allocation for the Special Protection Group -- tasked with protecting the Prime Minister -- from Rs 540 crore to approximately Rs 600 crore. In last year's budget, it was increased from Rs 420 crore to approximately Rs 540 crore.

www.ndtv.com

Both SG and SPG are under the Cabinet Secretariat, which means that both of them have tons of $$$$.

Therefore, I really don’t think anyone, even Papistanis, can tenably doubt Shatrujeet’s report.

I hope you liked my answer.

 

[Gessler]

Debunking Pakistan’s ICBM claims is quite easy.
If Pakistan can indigenously build ballistic missiles, why can’t they build satellite-launch vehicles (SLV)?
Ballistic missiles and SLV are mostly similar technology. Both of them are rocket science. Most nations which have intermediate-range ballistic missiles also have SLV.

China has not allowed Pakistan to build missiles which can reach China’s east coast, because that can make China uncomfortable. China will withdraw support to Pak nuke program if Pak builds an ICBM (hypothetically saying).

On the other hand, high cuts with integrated comms are quite easily available in the market, unlike ICBMs. Comparing the latter with the former is a logical fallacy (no offense intended).

Even countries such as New Zealand - whose military is worth nothing on the overall - have it. NZSAS is decades ahead of Para SF in terms of gear.

Do you know what’s the reason for this? The reason is that New Zealand spends far more than India on it’s SF on a per capita basis. Moreover, there is less corruption in NZ.

But do you know? The per capita budget of Special Group is, more or less, equal to the per capita budget of NZSAS. How do I know this? By looking at the budget of Special Protection Group (SPG).

SPG Protection For PM Modi Now Has A Budget Of Nearly Rs 600 Crore

The government has increased allocation for the Special Protection Group -- tasked with protecting the Prime Minister -- from Rs 540 crore to approximately Rs 600 crore. In last year's budget, it was increased from Rs 420 crore to approximately Rs 540 crore.

www.ndtv.com

Both SG and SPG are under the Cabinet Secretariat, which means that both of them have tons of $$$$.

Therefore, I really don’t think anyone, even Papistanis, can tenably doubt Shatrujeet’s report.

I hope you liked my answer.

Is it plausible that SG guys have them? Sure. I said as much in original post.

However, we've seen many pics of supposed SG guys with all kinds of equipment, including those which no other force uses (like Crye Airframe helmets). But none so far with comm headsets.

I'll count my chickens once I actually see them out of the egg. Helps me to have solid proof before I claim here or anywhere else that X unit has X equipment. Because if we step off into assumption there can be no logical end to it.

 

[AZTEC]

However, we've seen many pics of supposed SG guys with all kinds of equipment, including those which no other force uses (like Crye Airframe helmets).

I understand and agree with your point.

Can you please post the photos of Crye Airframe helmets which you have seen?

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I am seeing unprecedented interest being shown by mainstream western media in SFF.

Indian special forces soldier killed in skirmish with Chinese troops

Member of India’s Special Frontier Force killed in clash on Saturday night

www.theguardian.com

 

[Unknowncommando 2]

COAS's BG

 

[abingdonboy]

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COAS's BG

Doesn’t look like the standard FLC that these guys normally wear, is that a plate carrier?

 

[abingdonboy]

Debunking Pakistan’s ICBM claims is quite easy.
If Pakistan can indigenously build ballistic missiles, why can’t they build satellite-launch vehicles (SLV)?
Ballistic missiles and SLV are mostly similar technology. Both of them are rocket science. Most nations which have intermediate-range ballistic missiles also have SLV.

China has not allowed Pakistan to build missiles which can reach China’s east coast, because that can make China uncomfortable. China will withdraw support to Pak nuke program if Pak builds an ICBM (hypothetically saying).

On the other hand, high cuts with integrated comms are quite easily available in the market, unlike ICBMs. Comparing the latter with the former is a logical fallacy (no offense intended).

Even countries such as New Zealand - whose military is worth nothing on the overall - have it. NZSAS is decades ahead of Para SF in terms of gear.

Do you know what’s the reason for this? The reason is that New Zealand spends far more than India on it’s SF on a per capita basis. Moreover, there is less corruption in NZ.

But do you know? The per capita budget of Special Group is, more or less, equal to the per capita budget of NZSAS. How do I know this? By looking at the budget of Special Protection Group (SPG).

SPG Protection For PM Modi Now Has A Budget Of Nearly Rs 600 Crore

The government has increased allocation for the Special Protection Group -- tasked with protecting the Prime Minister -- from Rs 540 crore to approximately Rs 600 crore. In last year's budget, it was increased from Rs 420 crore to approximately Rs 540 crore.

www.ndtv.com

Both SG and SPG are under the Cabinet Secretariat, which means that both of them have tons of $$$$.

Therefore, I really don’t think anyone, even Papistanis, can tenably doubt Shatrujeet’s report.

I hope you liked my answer.

Don’t know how you can infer SG’s budget by looking at SPG’s

 

[operatorgrumby]

Doesn’t look like the standard FLC that these guys normally wear, is that a plate carrier?

Anybody else noticing that Safariland ALS type Mid-Ride Holster on that Operator, although first appearance was in Army day parade 2020 !!!