Indian Special Forces (archived)

[ArgonPrime]

Then how could they have "picked out the porkies from above" as someone said before. You'd risk friendly fire.

Dude, please. If you can't shoot the bad guys from maybe ten feet away without hitting your buddies, then I don't know what to say.

Idk man, the whole analysis that's now going on here doesn't sit right with me, since most of us don't have a clear enough picture what happened.

True but here we're going off the assumption that the news media reports about the chronological order of events that led to this outcome to be on point. That's what we do here, we try to analyze and then come to to a conclusion as accurately as is possible based on what little info we get our hands-on.

 

[Underground Soldier]

I joined this forum for Information purpose only, to know about things happening within our military, but now I think this forum belongs to charlatans, pretending to have so much knowledge about what happened. No need to prove anything, what's been done is done.

it's simple to understand the calculation, All special forces are trained in a way that they can withstand most of the worst case scenarios. But if we see 5 vs 5 between special force operators and terrorist, that means they are not that much special (even after undergoing such harass training of mind, body and spirit).

Feel free to satisfy your intellectual (Ego) by trashing me.

Do you know why 5 SF personels were martyred? Because the icecubes on which they were standing fell exactly at the place where terrorist had taken up positions. So the terrorists had a great advantage, b4 SF personels could recover from the fall, The AK-47 spewed entire magazines from 4 terrorist. Despite the fact that they were hit with multitude of bullet, they responded and killed all of them. Because they were special, they did that, otherwise one will be killed by the fall only, let alone facing Fury of AKs

 

[ArgonPrime]

I joined this forum for Information purpose only, to know about things happening within our military, but now I think this forum belongs to charlatans, pretending to have so much knowledge about what happened. No need to prove anything, what's been done is done.

it's simple to understand the calculation, All special forces are trained in a way that they can withstand most of the worst case scenarios. But if we see 5 vs 5 between special force operators and terrorist, that means they are not that much special (even after undergoing such harass training of mind, body and spirit).

Feel free to satisfy your intellectual (Ego) by trashing me.

Not trying to reprimand you or anything but it was basically a huge misfortune (with some form probable human error or lapses but we can't be certain at this point) and you can replace the Para with any other SOF team from whichever country you want, the outcome would be more or less the same.

 

[ArgonPrime]

Do you know why 5 SF personels were martyred? Because the icecubes on which they were standing fell exactly at the place where terrorist had taken up positions.

If that is indeed how the events went down (and I very much doubt that to be the case), then they will have only themselves to blame for what terrible fate they brought upon themselves. In that case, it won't be a simple case of pure unadulterated misfortune but sheer incompetence and failure to adhere to the basic most infantry tactic ever.

So the terrorists had a great advantage, b4 SF personels could recover from the fall, The AK-47 spewed entire magazines from 4 terrorist. Despite the fact that they were hit with multitude of bullet, they responded and killed all of them. Because they were special, they did that, otherwise one will be killed by the fall only, let alone facing Fury of AKs

Just stop already.

 

[Underground Soldier]

9 PARA SF in handwara. This was the one of the last operations of late Mohan Nath goswami.

 

[Underground Soldier]

If that is indeed how the events went down (and I very much doubt that to be the case), then they will have only themselves to blame for what terrible fate they brought upon themselves. In that case, it won't be a simple case of pure unadulterated misfortune but sheer incompetence and failure to adhere to the basic most infantry tactic ever.


Just stop already.

Sorry to interrupt you, but you shouldn't tell others when to stop and when to start. In this forum, every one can express their opinion ( at least I believe so)

 

[WARREN SS]

. But if we see 5 vs 5 between special force operators and terrorist, that means they are not that much special (even after undergoing such harass training of mind, body and spirit).

So Super Man Do you Have Super Powers To Stop 5 Ak's firing at you 600 rds/m
At Point Blank

 

[Bhadra]

I joined this forum for Information purpose only, to know about things happening within our military, but now I think this forum belongs to charlatans, pretending to have so much knowledge about what happened. No need to prove anything, what's been done is done.

it's simple to understand the calculation, All special forces are trained in a way that they can withstand most of the worst case scenarios. But if we see 5 vs 5 between special force operators and terrorist, that means they are not that much special (even after undergoing such harass training of mind, body and spirit).

Feel free to satisfy your intellectual (Ego) by trashing me.

You are Lallu....

How much of money , resources and men were lost by the West and USA to nab one man by the name of Ossama...
Forget him .. say Mullah Fazlullah ...

That is the kind of equation the countries employ for anti terrorist operations...

One can not make out there was none amongst those five pigs who could have making of a Zargar, or Salahuddin or some other bastard like Ajmal Kasab..

 

[Underground Soldier]

You are Lallu....

How much of money , resources and men were lost by the West and USA to nab one man by the name of Ossama...
Forget him .. say Mullah Fazlullah ...

That is the kind of equation the countries employ for anti terrorist operations...

One can not make out there was none amongst those five pigs who could have making of a Zargar, or Salahuddin or some other bastard like Ajmal Kasab..

Either he is a kid or a porky masquerading as an Indian. I hope it's not 2nd case!!!

 

[Waanar]

I joined this forum for Information purpose only, to know about things happening within our military, but now I think this forum belongs to charlatans, pretending to have so much knowledge about what happened. No need to prove anything, what's been done is done.

it's simple to understand the calculation, All special forces are trained in a way that they can withstand most of the worst case scenarios. But if we see 5 vs 5 between special force operators and terrorist, that means they are not that much special (even after undergoing such harass training of mind, body and spirit).

Feel free to satisfy your intellectual (Ego) by trashing me.

You can not train for accidents. Well, you can pretend to but that's beyond the scope of this text.
Stuff like this happens.
A stray round hits, terrain breaks down or gives way, weapons jam, retiring units get interdicted by a lucky mortar or a stray jihadi gone for a piss, unexpected reinforcements show up, public starts stone pelting out of no where.

I'm no cricketer, but you let me bowl non-stop at Virat Kohli and I'm sure he'll get bowled out at the 10000-something mark.

There was another incident an year or so back where an operative had his Tavor explode right on his face (he survived) and had to be evacuated by his fellow team members.

Point is-
You can keep preparing all day and night for contingencies but you do enough ops on the hottest border on Ram's green earth and there will be accidents.
There should be criticism and introspection but your (pardon my words) moronic 2+2=4 doesn't hold water in complex operations like the ones you're talking of.

Let's take it up a notch and say that our stocks of ammo is 10X more than Pakistanis so we can last 10X more than them in a war.

Do you see how moronic that sounds?

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Then how could they have "picked out the porkies from above" as someone said before. You'd risk friendly fire.

Idk man, the whole analysis that's now going on here doesn't sit right with me, since most of us don't have a clear enough picture what happened.

I translated what the 4th Para unit operator said in hindi of what happened.

Those are not my views about what haplened.

 

[IndiaRising]

What’s done is done. Analyze it to make sure you can improve upon mistakes(if any were made). Right now, we have to focus on our response.

 

[12arya]

May the gods give their families & frnds, the strength to endure.

 

[abingdonboy]

cmon guys common sense...who will send trainees.

I don't know why are we finding excuses like sissies.Any SF team would have met the same fate or not charged and saved 2 lives and let the terrorist escape.

This is what happened..

1 terrorist was killed earlier..remaining 4 were being chased with regular contact happening every now and then.

3 team member fell...and terrorists used the advantage to pin them..the team leader JCO grabbed one terroists and the rest 2 meanwhile decided to jump in the nallah attacking the terrorists.

to their shock they found out that there were more terrorists than they thought were alive..

and in the end everyone present there couldnt survive.

in the morning when the other team reached them..they could only evacuate them.

due to late evacuation we lost 2 sf operators..3 had died earlier in the initial contact only.


These facebook fanboys just write crap.


People who write they are trainee dont know the basics like You are not a para until you finish probation.

And if they mean they were young...young or old..Para is Para...and a squad has both young and old people.

buddy, seems to be a fact that 3 of these were trainees.

I don’t think that has any basis on the outcome, this team was doomed the moment that snow ridge collapsed.


Part of Para probation is a stint in a operational context, this is fact. My uncle was in 7 Para (Airborne) and he did 2 months in the NE before he was fully badged. They have already been given their maroon berets and have been trained up but this is one of the last stages before they are fully badged.

 

[Spindrift]

You can not train for accidents

Well as far as I know, they do train for accidents, but they use a different word for it tho and the word being "contingencies".

 

[Waanar]

Well as far as I know, they do train for accidents, but they use a different word for it tho and the word being "contingencies".

but that's beyond the scope of this text.

Point is-
You can keep preparing all day and night for contingencies but you do enough ops on the hottest border on Ram's green earth and there will be accidents.

Ji, I know that. I'm still pretty sure that there's no SOP for falling face first down a cliff and right in front of 5 terrorists.
There will be some improvement in tactics, maybe teaching guys who operate in snowy area to watch for thickness and possible disheveling of cliffs and/or increasing spacing in places with shifty terrain to distribute weight etc etc etc.
I'm no tactician but I'm sure this was just a pure, unadulterated accident which just happens, you know?
You can prepare to cross roads like a drill and still get killed by a pack of dogs instead of being run over.
I fucked up the analogy but you get my drift.

 

[Spindrift]

'm still pretty sure that there's no SOP for falling face first down a cliff

I agree with you there.................................

 

[Mac13202]

Jungle me aya aya bhoot Allah ki ma ki chooot ,
Bodies of 3 ssg pigs are still rotting on Loc ,
and chinkis are going to get ass raped soon.......

12 of our paras raided SSG hq having 3 dozen commandos and as many abduls ,and had pork party in neelam valley , insha lullah didn't help.

feel free to satisfy your propagandu ego......by replying to me.

Is that suppose to mean something?

 

[Mac13202]

You can not train for accidents. Well, you can pretend to but that's beyond the scope of this text.
Stuff like this happens.
A stray round hits, terrain breaks down or gives way, weapons jam, retiring units get interdicted by a lucky mortar or a stray jihadi gone for a piss, unexpected reinforcements show up, public starts stone pelting out of no where.

I'm no cricketer, but you let me bowl non-stop at Virat Kohli and I'm sure he'll get bowled out at the 10000-something mark.

There was another incident an year or so back where an operative had his Tavor explode right on his face (he survived) and had to be evacuated by his fellow team members.

Point is-
You can keep preparing all day and night for contingencies but you do enough ops on the hottest border on Ram's green earth and there will be accidents.
There should be criticism and introspection but your (pardon my words) moronic 2+2=4 doesn't hold water in complex operations like the ones you're talking of.

Let's take it up a notch and say that our stocks of ammo is 10X more than Pakistanis so we can last 10X more than them in a war.

Do you see how moronic that sounds?

Listen buddy according to you study how much you want and how long you prepare for studies, In the end you cannot expect what will be result. My lord, (pardon my words) dumb people like you clap and re-joys when a military unit consist of many personnel kills 2 or 3 terrorist and starts to cry knowing when those 2 or 3 terrorist before dying kills 2 or 3 personnel from that unit.

Now you see the Irony, people just don't stick to their words or statement.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

buddy, seems to be a fact that 3 of these were trainees.

I don’t think that has any basis on the outcome, this team was doomed the moment that snow ridge collapsed.


Part of Para probation is a stint in a operational context, this is fact. My uncle was in 7 Para (Airborne) and he did 2 months in the NE before he was fully badged. They have already been given their maroon berets and have been trained up but this is one of the last stages before they are fully badged.

I have never heard anything like that.

You are suggesting they are marooned before they finish training.