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now that cds is created, is it going to change anything as far as procurement goes or as usual the SF's will be ignored?
wat do u guys think?

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I dont know.

But we need a central aquirement wing which tests weapon and we induct standard weapons across all wings.

We cannot have 3 branches using 6 types of AR or LMG if we want to fight a two front war successfully.
 

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Now even south south Korean SWAT has quad tube nvg. Why is Para SF still using single tube nvg??View attachment 42046
Quad tube NVGs are expensive as hell. A single unit costs roughly 40-60 lakhs. Is the GOI willing to shell this kind of money?? I will be more than happy to see our Para SF and SWAT units with Panaromic NVD.
Also, there is no need to import quad tube NVD as Tonbo imaging has developed one indigenously.
 

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Now even south south Korean SWAT has quad tube nvg. Why is Para SF still using single tube nvg??View attachment 42046
The guys you've put up above there are SOU, a SWAT unit which recruits exclusively from ex military SOFs and are creme de la creme of their men. This is not a regular SWAT unit. Other than the regular CT roles, they're also the first responders should NK paradrop their troops in the heart of SK.
I know it seems like a long shot now but this was their primary role when they were raised and SK was a weak country facing the wrath of NK backed by the big bad China.
 

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X posting from drdo thread,

Breakthrough: A team, led by Gaurab Banerjee from
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, has developed a "through-the-wall" radar (TWR), built on a chip smaller than a grain of rice. It has potential in defence sector, healthcare, transportation and agriculture. Small size enables mass production.








This article claims the chip can be fit into a mobile device and also have the ability to classify the actions of individual on the other side of the wall.
 

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Quad tube NVGs are expensive as hell. A single unit costs roughly 40-60 lakhs. Is the GOI willing to shell this kind of money?? I will be more than happy to see our Para SF and SWAT units with Panaromic NVD.
Also, there is no need to import quad tube NVD as Tonbo imaging has developed one indigenously.
has Tonbo bagged any orders yet from IA?
 

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Cross posting,

#LOC
This is a Taliban SF unit called Sara Kheta. They are prime suspects behind the potential USAF E-11A shoot down in AFG. Notice how well they are equipped. Look how terrorists are evolving. Potential Pak allies at LOC. Keep researching them.

Look american funding made salwar kameez into full battle gear,

So, taliban is basically paki army regiment which is way more experienced in mountain guirrella warfare and perhaps the most battle hardened regt of paki army ,
courtesy of its involvement in continuous war ,it has to be good.
A SOF is useless without the support network.
Pardon me but I can't imagine why these guys won't be bombed right inside their lil hut while humping the misses.

All I'm seeing is atrocious trigger discipline, more uniformity in gears than our forces, black uniforms in mountains (yeah, bruh, that'll hide you) and a hell of a lot of utility pockets for god knows what.
Unless Porkis are willing to shelter them and use them like SSG for cross border raids, these guys are going to be caught with their pants down, maybe literally.

Americans have made a fine mess of Afghanistan tho.
 

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Quad tube NVGs are expensive as hell. A single unit costs roughly 40-60 lakhs.
ANVIS-10 can be had for little under 15 lakhs (directly converting to rupees). I'm not positive on this but I'm pretty sure the one from Tonbo can be cheaper than even the ANVIS-10.

Yes, these are still extremely expensive equipment, easily the costliest thing carried by a shooter on his body. But the advantage they grant is also equally great - see the enemy when he can't see you. And in HD quality not to mention.

Is the GOI willing to shell this kind of money??
They ought to - if they understand what SOFs are and how to use them. Unfortunately, they don't. In fact even the senior leadership of Parachute Regiment is very clueless as to the role of modern SOF and continues to treat even the SF battalions of Para Regmt as little more than 'Elite Infantry'.

This was expressed to great dismay by former VCOAS Lt Gen Vijay Oberoi in the foreword of the book "Special Operations Case Studies: Lessons for India" by Lt Gen Prakash Katoch.

As long as this mentality continues, it will be impossible for us to invest any sizable amounts or efforts into Para SFs to enable a true SOF role where the mantra will truly be 'maximum bang, maximum buck'. But because this isn't happening, the development of Para SFs will only happen along the lines of an elite infantry, with only a modicum of equipment that can be said to be superior to that of the regular solider...and in the coming years, it will end up being inferior to that of a regular soldier.

And any improvements sought will remain ad-hoc and small scale as a result of the same mentality.

Lt Gen Oberoi writes about how efforts to fix this error were shot down again & again by senior leadership of Para Regmt who were opposed to any changes. And unless the AFSOD model becomes successful and CDS manages to put the pressure on the three services to cobble their SFs together into a SOCOM at a later date, we are not going to fix these problems ever.

I will be more than happy to see our Para SF and SWAT units with Panaromic NVD.
SFs sure...but right now with exception of NSG & maybe Force One, I don't see any SWAT unit in the country that would even do justice to equipment like this. Majority of them are yet to learn how to wear helmets and balaclava properly.

Also, there is no need to import quad tube NVD as Tonbo imaging has developed one indigenously.
Yep - there is no question of importing Night Vision. It's too expensive a technology to import in large scale and above all, its simply not necessary to import. Tonbo has developed a world class lineup of products domestically. It would be criminal to import...and equally criminal to ignore these bluechips and go for some outdated single-tube crap from BEL.
 

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ANVIS-10 can be had for little under 15 lakhs (directly converting to rupees). I'm not positive on this but I'm pretty sure the one from Tonbo can be cheaper than even the ANVIS-10.

Yes, these are still extremely expensive equipment, easily the costliest thing carried by a shooter on his body. But the advantage they grant is also equally great - see the enemy when he can't see you. And in HD quality not to mention.



They ought to - if they understand what SOFs are and how to use them. Unfortunately, they don't. In fact even the senior leadership of Parachute Regiment is very clueless as to the role of modern SOF and continues to treat even the SF battalions of Para Regmt as little more than 'Elite Infantry'.

This was expressed to great dismay by former VCOAS Lt Gen Vijay Oberoi in the foreword of the book "Special Operations Case Studies: Lessons for India" by Lt Gen Prakash Katoch.

As long as this mentality continues, it will be impossible for us to invest any sizable amounts or efforts into Para SFs to enable a true SOF role where the mantra will truly be 'maximum bang, maximum buck'. But because this isn't happening, the development of Para SFs will only happen along the lines of an elite infantry, with only a modicum of equipment that can be said to be superior to that of the regular solider...and in the coming years, it will end up being inferior to that of a regular soldier.

And any improvements sought will remain ad-hoc and small scale as a result of the same mentality.

Lt Gen Oberoi writes about how efforts to fix this error were shot down again & again by senior leadership of Para Regmt who were opposed to any changes. And unless the AFSOD model becomes successful and CDS manages to put the pressure on the three services to cobble their SFs together into a SOCOM at a later date, we are not going to fix these problems ever.



SFs sure...but right now with exception of NSG & maybe Force One, I don't see any SWAT unit in the country that would even do justice to equipment like this. Majority of them are yet to learn how to wear helmets and balaclava properly.



Yep - there is no question of importing Night Vision. It's too expensive a technology to import in large scale and above all, its simply not necessary to import. Tonbo has developed a world class lineup of products domestically. It would be criminal to import...and equally criminal to ignore these bluechips and go for some outdated single-tube crap from BEL.
ego problem of senior leadership in armed forces is costing us huge and also preventing the combined operation .no surprise we receive huge casualties during conflicts this blindness of officers are to be cured otherwise we will cry and moan always.
 

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ego problem of senior leadership in armed forces is costing us huge and also preventing the combined operation .no surprise we receive huge casualties during conflicts this blindness of officers are to be cured otherwise we will cry and moan always.
Import dalals deserve a bullet in their head.
With the innovation going on around in the Indian defence industry, the IA can easily become self sufficient when it comes to small arms, body armour, night vision equipment, sensors,artillery, tanks within a time span of 2 years.
 

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who told you that? Para SF is a notoriously secret organization. They are not into displaying their gear in public. They do their tasks silently.
Yeah, this is BS that has been used for too long to hide the ineptitude, incompetence and shortcomings of Indian SFs.

We have ample material from Indian SFs in real world combat ops to see how pathetically they are equipped in live ops.

100% no Indian SF unit today is operationally deploying dual tube NVGs even though this tech is over 25 years old now, Indian SFs have almost 0 night fighting capability- we remember just 3 or so years back when they called off EDI ops after sunset when any sensible/modern SF would have seen nightfall as the best opportunity to strike the terrorists.

There is nothing to display, imagine a worst case scenario and multiply that a factor of 2-3X to get an idea of how ridiculous the situation really is.

+ these guys are soooo secretive that they will walk down Rajpath at the most viewed military parade in India with this faces uncovered and name badges fixed! Give me a break. There's no seriousness to these guys, they are just playing the part of "commando" that was imagined 60+ years back, they are not 21st century warfighters/operators.
 

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Import dalals deserve a bullet in their head.
With the innovation going on around in the Indian defence industry, the IA can easily become self sufficient when it comes to small arms, body armour, night vision equipment, sensors,artillery, tanks within a time span of 2 years.
also add missile systems, helos.
 

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Indian SF sorely lack modern sniper rifles and AR, helmets, bpj ,modernq tube NVD, dedicated helo fleet when compared with US Special Forces and British SAS
 

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Yeah, this is BS that has been used for too long to hide the ineptitude, incompetence and shortcomings of Indian SFs.

We have ample material from Indian SFs in real world combat ops to see how pathetically they are equipped in live ops.

100% no Indian SF unit today is operationally deploying dual tube NVGs even though this tech is over 25 years old now, Indian SFs have almost 0 night fighting capability- we remember just 3 or so years back when they called off EDI ops after sunset when any sensible/modern SF would have seen nightfall as the best opportunity to strike the terrorists.

There is nothing to display, imagine a worst case scenario and multiply that a factor of 2-3X to get an idea of how ridiculous the situation really is.

+ these guys are soooo secretive that they will walk down Rajpath at the most viewed military parade in India with this faces uncovered and name badges fixed! Give me a break. There's no seriousness to these guys, they are just playing the part of "commando" that was imagined 60+ years back, they are not 21st century warfighters/operators.
Thanks for taking that post.

I am tired of these "we are soo secretive" bullshit from the fanboys.

They dont watch encounter videos from youtube and see for themselves.

Ya soo secretive they are that they would be killed in ops doing room intervention just to keep the secrecy..

Fucking stupid are you?
 
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