Indian Special Forces (archived)

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Are they hard to make?
............,

Where the intention is weak everything is hard.

Look at Spetsnaz from early 2004 and now in 2018..there is a huge difference.

If Russians can do it why cant we?

Reason is not giving enough importance to Special Forces.

Most Indian Generals,Admirals and Marshals have no idea what special operations are.

Gen Hasnain had recently said that Indian sniping is of a very high level...either he doesnt know about how high level of sniping is or he is just doing propoganda on national tv.

It would not even cost 100 million dollar to equip all Para SF units with a decent quality of gear.

But we keep adding T90s and sukhois.

 

[rkhanna]

Where the intention is weak everything is hard.

Look at Spetsnaz from early 2004 and now in 2018..there is a huge difference.

If Russians can do it why cant we?

Reason is not giving enough importance to Special Forces.

Most Indian Generals,Admirals and Marshals have no idea what special operations are.

Gen Hasnain had recently said that Indian sniping is of a very high level...either he doesnt know about how high level of sniping is or he is just doing propoganda on national tv.

It would not even cost 100 million dollar to equip all Para SF units with a decent quality of gear.

But we keep adding T90s and sukhois.

To give perspective if a SF squad is used effectively it can do the job of a squadran of T-90s

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

To give perspective if a SF squad is used effectively it can do the job of a squadran of T-90s

Only if the Generals knew that.

 

[ALBY]

How come NSG which is under MHA headed by IPS cadre have better up-todate weaponry & equipment, better post operational analysis and structure of a western SF where as army SF which is headed by officers exclisively from SF cadre are far behind NSG in all those aspects? (I am telling about post 2008 scenario).
As the top level of NSG comes from IPS or CAPF who usually dont have the kind of exposure an officer from SF is expected to have, NSG is supposed to fall behind other SFs in terms of efficiency .Yet structurally NSG is better organized and the changes happens more swiftly when compared with other SFs.

 

[ezsasa]

How come NSG which is under MHA headed by IPS cadre have better up-todate weaponry & equipment, better post operational analysis and structure of a western SF where as army SF which is headed by officers exclisively from SF cadre are far behind NSG in all those aspects? (I am telling about post 2008 scenario).
As the top level of NSG comes from IPS or CAPF who usually dont have the kind of exposure an officer from SF is expected to have, NSG is supposed to fall behind other SFs in terms of efficiency .Yet structurally NSG is better organized and the changes happens more swiftly when compared with other SFs.

It boils down to numbers game. Smaller teams get higher per-capita spending.

SF are in double digit thousands, and NSG are in single digit thousands.

Moreover NSG Chief has direct contact with home ministry and NSA, where as SF is not directly represented by top level. This speeds up the procurement process for NSG.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

How come NSG which is under MHA headed by IPS cadre have better up-todate weaponry & equipment, better post operational analysis and structure of a western SF where as army SF which is headed by officers exclisively from SF cadre are far behind NSG in all those aspects? (I am telling about post 2008 scenario).
As the top level of NSG comes from IPS or CAPF who usually dont have the kind of exposure an officer from SF is expected to have, NSG is supposed to fall behind other SFs in terms of efficiency .Yet structurally NSG is better organized and the changes happens more swiftly when compared with other SFs.

Budget.

Just the clothing budget of NSG is in crores.

 

[cyclops]

Para SF
Credits: Shatrujeet

 

[ALBY]

Para SF
Credits: Shatrujeet

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Are those Mag58s indian made or Belgian?
Dont know why despite having the license, we never made FnMags in bipood version

 

[rkhanna]

Only if the Generals knew that.

I have noticed that officers who know that usually don't make it past the Col rank

 

[Arihant Roy]

Where the intention is weak everything is hard.

Look at Spetsnaz from early 2004 and now in 2018..there is a huge difference.

If Russians can do it why cant we?

Reason is not giving enough importance to Special Forces.

Most Indian Generals,Admirals and Marshals have no idea what special operations are.

Gen Hasnain had recently said that Indian sniping is of a very high level...either he doesnt know about how high level of sniping is or he is just doing propoganda on national tv.

It would not even cost 100 million dollar to equip all Para SF units with a decent quality of gear.

But we keep adding T90s and sukhois.

That's not Spetsnaz . The ones you are talking about are SSO. They were formed in 2013. There are two centers of SSO. Senezh and Kubinka-1.

Senezh has been founded by ex VDV and ex Spetsnaz GRU officers. Kubinka - 1 has been founded by ex FSB Alpha officers.

The equipment levels of Spetsnaz GRU hasn't changed much. But it's their SSO which are truly world class and at par with the 1st SFOD-D and Devgru.

Now if you are looking at pics of Russian spec ops soldiers from Syria, then you must keep one thing in mind. Not all of them are GRU. There's FSB Special Purpose Centre K, FSB Alpha, FSB Vympel, SVR Zaslon. Then there's the traditional Spetsnaz GRU and SSO. Russia is rotating all their military SF units and een the Presidential body guards through Syria.

GRU Spetsnaz are more like the American 75th Rangers Battalion. Quick reaction SOF capable forces. The real deal is the SSO although there are certain units within GRU who are truly SF.

In our case, Spetsnaz GRU would be like SFF.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

I have noticed that officers who know that usually don't make it past the Col rank

Thats soo true!!!!

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[MuzzleVelocity]

As much as I love this thread, sometimes things get far too negative here. Maybe it's just a reflection of reality and I am complaining in vain but that's just my opinion.

 

[vampyrbladez]

As much as I love this thread, sometimes things get far too negative here. Maybe it's just a reflection of reality and I am complaining in vain but that's just my opinion.

Then stop bitching.

This is NSG 2008

NSG in 2017/18

 

[MuzzleVelocity]

Then stop bitching.

This is NSG 2008

NSG in 2017/18

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Are you slow? I live for posts like these. I am just criticizing the constant need for negativity on this thread.

 

[Darth Malgus]

That's not Spetsnaz . The ones you are talking about are SSO. They were formed in 2013. There are two centers of SSO. Senezh and Kubinka-1.

Senezh has been founded by ex VDV and ex Spetsnaz GRU officers. Kubinka - 1 has been founded by ex FSB Alpha officers.

The equipment levels of Spetsnaz GRU hasn't changed much. But it's their SSO which are truly world class and at par with the 1st SFOD-D and Devgru.

Now if you are looking at pics of Russian spec ops soldiers from Syria, then you must keep one thing in mind. Not all of them are GRU. There's FSB Special Purpose Centre K, FSB Alpha, FSB Vympel, SVR Zaslon. Then there's the traditional Spetsnaz GRU and SSO. Russia is rotating all their military SF units and een the Presidential body guards through Syria.

GRU Spetsnaz are more like the American 75th Rangers Battalion. Quick reaction SOF capable forces. The real deal is the SSO although there are certain units within GRU who are truly SF.

In our case, Spetsnaz GRU would be like SFF.

Bruh, Where do you get all this information. Any books i can read ?

@COLDHEARTED AVIATOR DO you guys also think that setting up "Special operations division" will improve equipment and usage ?

 

[vampyrbladez]

Are you slow? I live for posts like these. I am just criticizing the constant need for negativity on this thread.

Welcome to DFI,

where armchair generals move imaginary armies and make imaginary purchases to meet imaginary goals in the hope that some retired defence personnel take inspiration and communicate this to the upper brass.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

As much as I love this thread, sometimes things get far too negative here. Maybe it's just a reflection of reality and I am complaining in vain but that's just my opinion.

In Corporates big companies hire experts to evaluate their loopholes.

Same happens with cyber security.

But here ....its called negativity.

Maybe some will think that we are congress supporters also.

Actually its its not your fault....we live in such a time where you have become defensive even about your existence.

Someone from India wrote this...having a vision for India.We are far from it.

You have no reason to be defensive about SF..maybe you dont even have 1 serving member in SF and some of us critising have many.

Who are you to take away our right my dear friend?

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Bruh, Where do you get all this information. Any books i can read ?

@COLDHEARTED AVIATOR DO you guys also think that setting up "Special operations division" will improve equipment and usage ?

Unlike others...i have no hope from SOD.

 

[MuzzleVelocity]

In Corporates big companies hire experts to evaluate their loopholes.

Same happens with cyber security.

But here ....its called negativity.

Maybe some will think that we are congress supporters also.

Actually its its not your fault....we live in such a time where you have become defensive even about your existence.

Someone from India wrote this...having a vision for India.We are far from it.

You have no reason to be defensive about SF..maybe you dont even have 1 serving member in SF and some of us critising have many.

Who are you to take away our right my dear friend?

I am not taking away your right. I just expressed an opinion. I didn't censor you in anyway.
But given your long post, I realise you are correct. We are defensive about everything now, you proved yourself right.

No, I don't have a serving family member in the SF. Fine then, I shouldn't be posting on this thread at all then.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

I am not taking away your right. I just expressed an opinion. I didn't censor you in anyway.
But given your long post, I realise you are correct. We are defensive about everything now, you proved yourself right.

No, I don't have a serving family member in the SF. Fine then, I shouldn't be posting on this thread at all then.

You can post whatever you like sir...I can post whatever i like sir.