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Gorkha Ghatak Trooper with a FAB Defense MOD Kalashnikov with EK Smart Thermal Sight and a Dreaded Khukri while another Trooper in a similar configuration with BEL Holographic Weapon Sight.
 

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Gen Hasnain talking about Indian Sniping


The way he said that Indians are criticising Indian snipers made me feel he visits the forum. lol

In response to the good General - He is stating something that is the bane of the Indian Army. He is confusing a Designated Marksman with a Sniper. btw - he is correct - we have great Marksmen in our Ghatak Platoons etc - but sadly they are not snipers.

here is a quote from another officer

"“Our sniper course also needs a drastic overhaul. Effective sniping can totally disrupt tactical and logistical functions of a forward post by restricting mobility of its troops,” he added."


https://m.timesofindia.com/india/sn...errer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s
 

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In response to the good General - He is stating something that is the bane of the Indian Army. He is confusing a Designated Marksman with a Sniper. btw - he is correct - we have great Marksmen in our Ghatak Platoons etc - but sadly they are not snipers.

here is a quote from another officer

"“Our sniper course also needs a drastic overhaul. Effective sniping can totally disrupt tactical and logistical functions of a forward post by restricting mobility of its troops,” he added."


https://m.timesofindia.com/india/sniping-like-beheading-will-avenge-killings-by-pakistan-say-army-officials/amp_articleshow/67238410.cms#referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s
i would like to know what advanced sniping equipment and innovations is he talking about.
 

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Aside from the obvious communication benefits, do they provide decent protection to the ear area?
Yes. The US forces started wearing them because after 5yrs into the GWOT us SF operators started having hearing loss and balance issues from constant cussions from gunfire and grenades and flash bangs .there was a massive decrease in operating efficiency with SOCOM. Hence the headphones
 

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Yes. The US forces started wearing them because after 5yrs into the GWOT us SF operators started having hearing loss and balance issues from constant cussions from gunfire and grenades and flash bangs .there was a massive decrease in operating efficiency with SOCOM. Hence the headphones
That's brilliant. But what about physical damage, like shrapnels.
 

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Close but does not provide noise cancellation that (the noise) is the primary cause of ear damage
Its more of a compromise between the two. Ideally with HUD display type helmets in 5 - 10 years, we won't be having these discussions on helmet compatibility with end user.
 

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Its more of a compromise between the two. Ideally with HUD display type helmets in 5 - 10 years, we won't be having these discussions on helmet compatibility with end user.

Actually I dont think so. The Level of Ballistic Protection is probably less than the Ear Covering of a regular PASGT Helmet. The Reason that (the original PASGT) was found inadequet was because Operators suffered from a high degree of ear damage due to noise - from gunfire, flashbangs and grenades - This ear damage lead to lot of issues including disorientation, balance issues and general combat ineffectivness amongst operators who had spent more than 3 years in theater. The Comm systems that went into the PASGT helmets could not be upgraded to include larger headphones due to space constraints.

(on a side note: Naval SpecOps used High Cut Helmets for a different issue as well - safety hazards of water catching the ear cups on the sides of older helmets at a high speed -)

CAG was asked to evolve their "Skateborder Helmet" concept with Ballistic Helmets and Noise cancellation headphones - This is how the "High Cut" Helmets came to be.

The HighCut + Headphones Combo proved a multiple things.

1. Significant reduction in ear/Hearing trauma, Resulting in higher readiness levels for SOCOM and JSOC. Lessons trickling down to the wider MARSOC units and Allied SOF units
2. Superior Communication capability within units in a firefight. - Less white noise and significantly lower incidents of communications being miss-understood.
3. NO significant change in statistics to head trauma from sharpnel etc due to removal of ballistic covering for ear guard. Supporting the fact that incidents of Sharpnel hiting the ear area of the Head was small enough to warrant changing it with superior noise cancellation.
 
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- One of the things again to highlight is that for our SOF (And wider military) the pocurement path should ACTUALLY be

1. doing deep analytics of AAR from our SOF forces
2. then understanding how to improve their combat efficieny
3. getting the MIC to work with soldiers to come up with and refine solutions

Simply aping the west with no thought put into it is pointless.
 
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