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I guess this will start a new debate on media about Garuds operation in J&K. People gonna write stuff now about them.
 

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The security lapses ranged from failure to follow basic standard operating procedures and plug "vulnerable perimeter gaps" to inadequate flood-lighting and the inability of the IAF Guard commandos to initially pin down and isolate the attackers, who had gained entry into the airbase by using branches of trees adjacent to the outer main wall.

The terrorists, fortunately, could not manage to penetrate the critical "technical area" of the airbase, where the fighters, missile units and radars were located, and were eventually neutralized in the "domestic area" by the NSG commandos
All this had led to the decision for the Garud commandos to undergo "battle-inoculation" and "live situational training" with the Rashtriya Rifles. The IAF is also in the process of raising 12 additional "flights" of Garuds to supplement the existing 15 "flights" of around 1,000 commandos.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...-be-attached-to-army/articleshow/61040137.cms
 

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I agree sir but my understanding in that RR/SoG handle routinue ops and the big boys are got in only for special occasions
Every single encounter is special, every single tango is HVT.
 

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Big reveal in latest article by ajai shukla. Now suddenly DFI analysts need to look back on pics of encounters to reconfirm whether it was Para SF or Garuds :crying:

http://ajaishukla.blogspot.ie/2017/10/garud-commandoes-take-first-casualties.html?m=1

the Garud force has been operating in J&K since 2005. Over the years, they have had significant successes, including killing two Hizbul Mujahideen district commanders in Kupwara.

“We prefer to remain quiet about our operations in Kashmir and elsewhere”, says a Garud officer when asked for details.​
Have always said Garuds are busy in J&K for a while now, just not as active as the Paras or others, initially their numbers just weren't enough. Now you'll see them being used in more cases as their mandated strength has been nearly doubled. Being a force meant to attack enemy air force installations behind enemy lines ( till pathankot they were based stretched quite thin along many critical air bases for rapid deployment), they till recently never had enough numbers to be deployed in flight sized teams in J&K. Heck, the teams near Pathankot were quite few in numbers. The after action report cleared the Garuds of any shortcomings. It can't be expected from a small team of 24 commandos, 12 of whom were tasked with preventing any one from getting close to key parts of the base and 12 commandos to isolate 4 well trained pigs hiding in a sprawling 24 sq km air base with thick foliage areas. The tales of courage are inspiring to say the least both the 1 who was severly injured and the 1 who made the supreme sacrifice fought on hard while being hit multiple times.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/pathankot-bravehearts-who-took-the-first-bullets-1263263
 
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Have always said Garuds are busy in J&K for a while now, just not a active as the Paras or others, initially their numbers just weren't enough. Now you'll see them being used in more cases.
So what about hundreds of articles claiming that it was their first operation?

What does your reliable Air force source has to say on this?
 

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So what about hundreds of articles claiming that it was their first operation?

What does your reliable Air force source has to say on this?
There are hundreds more articles that claim all kinds of non sense. My reliable sources have always maintained that the Garuds since many years have been active in J&K COIN although on a limited basis, till Pathankot it was never more than a platoon sized force because majority of the active service Garuds were based at key froward bases for rapid deployment into enemy theaters during war. While their regular training involves being sent to several schools to recieve training from 9 Para, 10th para, 21st Para, SSF and also Marcos training facilities. So there was never any doubt that they are a blade honed by the finest.

They have taken part in some joint ops in J&K for the last decade and have killed several Pigs, they just choose to remain quiet about it.

With more Garuds coming into play with a gradual increase in strength, they now have the liberty to rotate a flight sized force every few months dedicated to COIN joint ops with the Paras, Marcos and SSF.
 

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There are hundreds more articles that claim all kinds of non sense. My reliable sources have always maintained that the Garuds since many years have been active in J&K COIN although on a limited basis, till Pathankot it was never more than a platoon sized force because majority of the active service Garuds were based at key froward bases for rapid deployment into enemy theaters during war. While their regular training involves being sent to several schools to recieve training from 9 Para, 10th para, 21st Para, SSF and also Marcos training facilities. So there was never any doubt that they are a blade honed by the finest.

They have taken part in some joint ops in J&K for the last decade and have killed several Pigs, they just choose to remain quiet about it.

With more Garuds coming into play with a gradual increase in strength, they now have the liberty to rotate a flight sized force every few months dedicated to COIN joint ops with the Paras, Marcos and SSF.
I know many instructors from the schools you proudly quote and i can tell you that until 2011 i am really sure that no Garud deployment took place for counter terror ops.

Since you are the guy who claims Garuds to be part of SURGICAL STRIKES i would trust the journalists who you claim writes the nonsense.

I dont think tens of journalist of leading papers can be wrong.


As far as i am concerned i know where the nonsense comes from!!
 

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Well Ajai Shukla does clearly say that they have been in for several years including kills.

I know many instructors from the schools you proudly quote and i can tell you that until 2011 i am really sure that no Garud deployment took place for counter terror ops.

Since you are the guy who claims Garuds to be part of SURGICAL STRIKES i would trust the journalists who you claim writes the nonsense.

I dont think tens of journalist of leading papers can be wrong.


As far as i am concerned i know where the nonsense comes from!!
 

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Well Ajai Shukla does clearly say that they have been in for several years including kills.
Ajai Shukla nowhere says that they were conducting anti terror ops.He said they were operating which is true.They were guarding secret radar installments and airbases in Kashmir.

I have said several times that they went to CBS and many were not impressed.So what were they doing if not operating.

The killing of mujahideen commander should be post 2011 as till 2011 i can assure you that i have good info that they never fired a single shot in action.



And what about this

http://www.newindianexpress.com/nat...ed-blow-in-their-first-operation-1671290.html

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/repor...-batch-to-get-live-situation-training-2552108

http://www.business-standard.com/ar...etly-operating-for-12-yrs-117101101012_1.html

What this clearly states is that after Pathankot only has the AF higher command decided to give them some action.

Ex Air Chief says its unnecesary to induct them in these ops.
 

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And its illogical for a force to gain "operational experience" or "battle inoculation" if they have been active for 10 years with 'many' secret kills.
 

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I think you should make up your mind on which sources to refer to and believe about Garuds being or not being involved in J&K CI ops before 2011.

Either you cite your "personal sources" or quote media reports by the likes of Ajai Shooklaw.. No point trying to ride two boats simultaneously.
 

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I think you should make up your mind on which sources to refer to and believe about Garuds being or not being involved in J&K CI ops before 2011.

Either you cite your "personal sources" or quote media reports by the likes of Ajai Shooklaw.. No point trying to ride two boats simultaneously.
I know.

I am just giving 2 theories and avoiding saying that all commanders since Burhan wani have only been killed by Indian Army.

So i dont know what the fuck Ajay Shula is talking about.
 

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I think discussion here is an outcome of obsessive secrecy. to limited extent garuds should have bragged about their wins so far
 

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I think discussion here is an outcome of obsessive secrecy. to limited extent garuds should have bragged about their wins so far
For that they should conduct the operation on their own without being attached to any Army units just like the Navy Marcos.

The AF has more bases in Kashmir than the Navy to take care of its troops.There is absolutely no need to be attached to Army units if the operational experience has been gained.

However,

I dont think that is the case.

The Garuds were till now conducting the very role they were raised for ie guarding air assets.

But due to some circumstances which evolved after Pathankot it was decided that a Special Force needs blood on its teeth.

Hence, they were attached to Army units as claimed by many journalists.

This is the first batch which started in August.
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Unfortunately,they had an early loss.But i am very sure that they will bounce back and prove their mettle.

I have no doubts that they will have no casualty for a long time to come.
 

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I know many instructors from the schools you proudly quote and i can tell you that until 2011 i am really sure that no Garud deployment took place for counter terror ops.

Since you are the guy who claims Garuds to be part of SURGICAL STRIKES i would trust the journalists who you claim writes the nonsense.

I dont think tens of journalist of leading papers can be wrong.


As far as i am concerned i know where the nonsense comes from!!
Good for you, I know many highly placed sources in MI, RAW and Garud flight commanders. Enough to know who to trust. Every operation including the Surgical Strikes have many details cloaked in secrecy so much so that even teams from Para at different locations didn't know till after action that others in their own battlion were being sent across the border for raids. Sorry but instructors at schools are the last people to know anything about live ops ongoing across a massive region. Moreso, Garuds and Marcos work a lot more in secrecy than Para which is more in the public eye due to their larger numbers, quick deployment presense in key trouble spots and teams spreadout across a wide area.

After repeated checks with different sources, I still maintain that a squad of Garuds were deployed that night or the same week for an op to target some of the handlers of the Pathankot attack. I still can't confirm if they went in by foot or HAHOed in from a Mi-17 Helo. They assure me, that Garuds did exact some revenge with a few enemy KIA ( can't confirm the number). My sources refuse to confirm the timeline or the methods. When I spoke to my source initially the same evening of the sucessful surgical strike, he mentioned Garuds also took part in an op, I assumed the same night but that was my mistake, for now I can't confirm if they went in the same night or the same week.

What many people fail to see that the days and weeks before and after Uri saw many ops, some were daring cross border raids in broad day light where even documented videos have been uploaded. A lot of Puki posts were destroyed either in artillery barrages and cross border actions by Ghataks and others. There was even a massive artillery assault on 4-5 major camps deep in Pak where over 150+ kills were exacted on the enemy including many Puki regulars and pigs blown to mush. Many in the upper echelons believe Uri was an op in revenge of these assaults.

The entire surgical strike prep also had IAF doing serious prep work which pushed the enemy to believe a massive air raid was imminent.

A lot of what I initially claimed through my sources (way before any detailed account was given by people in the IA) from the surgical strikes have been proven true anyways including Ghataks from the same Uri platoon dishing out hefty revenge (heck they even recieved medals for their work). Even the kill estimates have been correct with me claiming well over 70 based on my source while intial reports only had 20-30.
 
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