Indian Special Forces (archived)

[Innocent]

I want to ask if its possible for the armed forces involved in the anti-terror ops to get equip like NSG and get training from them..

 

[indiandefencefan]

I want to ask if its possible for the armed forces involved in the anti-terror ops to get equip like NSG and get training from them..

Even if they can, it will not be feasible.

The NSG is a very specialized force dealing with urban CT ops. Even if they train regular troops in CT, their urban specific doctrine will not be applicable for the regular troops who most often conduct their operations in rural or completely undeveloped areas.

Special forces are very niche units and when put out of their niche, their effectiveness can be severely degraded.
One classic example of this is how in 2008 MARCOS were unable to dislodge terrorists from the Taj Hotel despite being on the military's premier special forces. This was because at the time, their training only involved maritime ops and not urban CT.

Its best the army trains on their own because they fight in a completely different environment from the NSG.

As for equipment, Army SF and NSG are similarly equipped but it is not in our current budget to equip every IA infantryman like an NSG operator.

 

[Innocent]

Even if they can, it will not be feasible.

The NSG is a very specialized force dealing with urban CT ops. Even if they train regular troops in CT, their urban specific doctrine will not be applicable for the regular troops who most often conduct their operations in rural or completely undeveloped areas.

Special forces are very niche units and when put out of their niche, their effectiveness can be severely degraded.
One classic example of this is how in 2008 MARCOS were unable to dislodge terrorists from the Taj Hotel despite being on the military's premier special forces. This was because at the time, their training only involved maritime ops and not urban CT.

Its best the army trains on their own because they fight in a completely different environment from the NSG.

As for equipment, Army SF and NSG are similarly equipped but it is not in our current budget to equip every IA infantryman like an NSG operator.

im not asking for every soldier but who are involved in Anti-terror ops in kashmir like RR,JK police..
At least that we can do as they are involved almost daily in these ops.

 

[Innocent]

I didnt knew NSG was primarily maritime ops..i alwasys thought it be a Anti-Terror Force.

 

[indiandefencefan]

I didnt knew NSG was primarily maritime ops..i alwasys thought it be a Anti-Terror Force.

MARCOS are maritime ops.
NSG are urban CT.

 

[indiandefencefan]

im not asking for every soldier but who are involved in Anti-terror ops in kashmir like RR,JK police..
At least that we can do as they are involved almost daily in these ops.

For any unit it is not feasible because the IA in Kashmir operate in hilly and and mountainous terrain.

The NSG doctrine is built to work in urban areas.
So even if an IA unit like the RR get trained by the NSG, they cannot use their training because the they can't use NSG tactics in rural areas.

What I'm trying to say is that both NSG and IA use very different tactics and cross-training will be counterproductive because the doctrine and operating environment do not match.

 

[Chinmoy]

im not asking for every soldier but who are involved in Anti-terror ops in kashmir like RR,JK police..
At least that we can do as they are involved almost daily in these ops.

NSG comprises of operatives who had already been trained in CT ops are they are hand picked from police as well as army and paramilitary. Their training base is based on what the basic training is provided for any CT operation. Only difference is, they do specializes in Urban combat and hostage situation. If you do send NSG to tackle the jihadis, they would be least effective of all.
Its not that NSG does get better CT training then IA. Infact their training is based on what IA receives for such situation. The only difference is the area of specialization.

 

[WARREN SS]

Old Picture of Exercise Airborne Africa Exercises of 2002 Where a team of India's 10 Special Forces (SF), led by Captain Krishnadas, outshone their counterparts from the US, South Africa, U.K., France, hosts Botswana and a clutch of African nations in the Kalahari desert.

The second Indian team came fifteenth, out of the 28 that participated in the annual event that took place between 8-10 June. In addition, the two teams won a number of individual prizes.

The event required a trek of 87 kms over three days with full combat load of 50 kg, all the activity being conducted under the desert sun during the day. The contest was kicked off on June 8 by a paradrop of the teams close to the border with Namibia. The events then progressively moved them east towards the Okavango Delta.

Capt Krishandas's team, scored with the individual prize for the navigation segment where the commandos have to move through 20 kms of trackless desert with just a compass, Ranade's team stood second. This was topped by a casualty evacuation exercise that required them to carry a 50 kg deadweight, simulating a casualty, for 10 kms. Krishandas' team stood first and Ranade's second. On the last day the teams did a 17 kms speed march and Krishandas' team again scored a first.

The Indians performed well in the other elements of the competition as well. These included a rifle and pistol firing competition, a 400 metre an observation lane exercise requiring them to spot seven targets and a final 5 kms home run that makes the grand finale of the gathering.

recently a Blog was opened Headlined By Fan boy
When British SAS Kneeled Down in front of Indian Para Special Forces

http://defencelover.in/para-sf-beaten-british-sas/

I think it was this competition

 

[abingdonboy]

Garuds:

 

[Bahamut]

@Kunal Biswas @Bornubus
How about these for our SF

 

[Saumyasupraik]

From left to right 1-10

1 Bulgarian PK with PSO-1 scope.

2 Bulgarian AR M1`with PSO-1 scope .

3 Bulgarian PK with MKP-1 prismatic sight.

4 Bulgarian AR M1 with MKP-1 prismatic sight.

5 Russian SVD Dragunov sniper rifle with MKP-1 prismatic sight.

6 Bulgarian PK with MOSO 4x optical sight

7 Bulgarian AR M1 with MOSO 4x optical sight

8 Bulgarian AR M1 with 1PN34 NSPU night vision scope.

9 Russian SVD Dragunov sniper rifle with 1PN34 NSPU night vision scope.

10 Bulgarian PK with 1PN34 NSPU night vision scope.

 

[Bornubus]

@Kunal Biswas @Bornubus
How about these for our SF

My good friend the recent RFI is for .338 Lapua Magnum. However for both SF and regulars weight is a major requirement.

 

[Innocent]

NSG

 

[Innocent]

MARCO sniper doing pushups in ghillie suite before sniper training.

 

[Innocent]

MARCOS...................................................................................

 

[Innocent]

PARA SF........................................................................................

 

[Innocent]

MARCOS...................................................................................

 

[Innocent]

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Repost by me accidently..Admin can remove it

 

[Spectribution]

View attachment 15502 MARCOS...................................................................................

cover the face of other 2 they have velcro patches

 

[Innocent]

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