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rishivashista13

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The Special Frontier Force (SFF) was also know as Establishment 22 or E22. The Special Group (SG) is a unit that is a part of SFF, there is no group call 22 SG.

The SG basically act as the muscle for R&AW
It has to do nothing special with RAW . It is just like any other forces of our country .
It consists of majority of Tibetan soilders . They operates mainly against china or in that region .
And they has done a popular mission for RAW .
That's it .



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It has to do nothing special with RAW . It is just like any other forces of our country .
It consists of majority of Tibetan soilders . They operates mainly against china or in that region .
And they has done a popular mission for RAW .
That's it .



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that's incorrect.
SFF has everything to do with RAW. It comes directly under the command of RAW.
And the SG, or Special Group, is the special forces unit of the SFF.
Operators from PARA SF undergo selection for entry into the SG.
Most of the stuff which the SG has done is classified.
Also, SG is perhaps the only direct equivalent vis a vis a Tier-1 unit of the US military.
 

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An old Pic of Pir Panjal Scouts raised by IA in Kashmir - when Militancy was at peak.


These are Musalman (Gujjar), few Hindus and Sikhs from frontier villages close to LOC. Terrorists used to force them to join militancy, raped their women and several cases of General massacre in entire village.


They are locals with relative on both side of the border.

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When they operated in India they had Name plates so that they can be easily identified by Security forces and Civilians.


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All of a sudden, the terrorists raids on villages stopped some say RAW enrolled Jihadis (kuka Parray) on its payroll and carried out massacre in POK. Off course in retaliation.


Pakis on the other hand claim that it was Indian Army (Black Cats according to their media) who carried out cross border raids and killed Paki Civilians.


The famous massacre of Paki Lanjot Village POK where 15 - 20 ~ Paki civilians dead including women and Kids. Paki claim it was a cross border raid by Indian army.

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@Kunal Biswas remember the discussion where you said our forces don't target civilians but i guess there are other assets to do the job, if required.
 

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About Special Group, i know a little because i know someone who was one of them:biggrin2: Special Group came under the command of NSA, due to their position he cannot tell me everything but by his talks i concluded that Special Group is a whole different thing, they seems to be an individual Special Force who are not only equipped as hell but have green light on even a small input, in army you have to be double sure on your intel.
Special group or The Mavericks or 22 SF or Super Para SF content only few Tibetans, they have majority of Indian Officer mainly from Para SF..

Major Amit Deswal, who was martyr recently was a ex-maverick, you can see the other guy in the tattoo he is doubted as a maverick. RIP major you will be missed..
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Pic is taken from a facebook page - Indian Para Commandos
 

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I think there is no real straight answers to this other than versions of the truth. SG has also gone by many names. Has been in and out of SFF. No clear Idea if SG (and / or SFF) is currently under Cabinet Secretariate, Home Ministry, Defense Ministry etc.

Best I can advise you do a bit of google and leave it at that.
Because of being under the R&AW, the SG is never coming under the MOD, R&AW would never let that happen, the force is a very important arm of the agency. Though the SG does operate in AFSPA areas like Kashmir where the IA has more of a jurisdiction, but being under the Cabinet Secretariat gives them a lot of powers.

You will find a few ex Para(SF) vets on Linkedin with SG service mentioned and only "all activities in this period remain classified" written under it. Also to clarify Tibetans form a minor part of the SG it is mainly manned by Para(SF) operatives.

@abingdonboy Long time no see brother, I logged in after many months over here.
 

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Is it fair statement that Establishment 22 acts as regimental centre for special group.

Special group aka 22SF being equivalent to a sf battalion and originally converted from 4 vikas if memory serves me right.

Because of being under the R&AW, the SG is never coming under the MOD, R&AW would never let that happen, the force is a very important arm of the agency. Though the SG does operate in AFSPA areas like Kashmir where the IA has more of a jurisdiction, but being under the Cabinet Secretariat gives them a lot of powers.

You will find a few ex Para(SF) vets on Linkedin with SG service mentioned and only "all activities in this period remain classified" written under it. Also to clarify Tibetans form a minor part of the SG it is mainly manned by Para(SF) operatives.

@abingdonboy Long time no see brother, I logged in after many months over here.
 

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About Special Group, i know a little because i know someone who was one of them:biggrin2: Special Group came under the command of NSA, due to their position he cannot tell me everything but by his talks i concluded that Special Group is a whole different thing, they seems to be an individual Special Force who are not only equipped as hell but have green light on even a small input, in army you have to be double sure on your intel.
Special group or The Mavericks or 22 SF or Super Para SF content only few Tibetans, they have majority of Indian Officer mainly from Para SF..

Major Amit Deswal, who was martyr recently was a ex-maverick, you can see the other guy in the tattoo he is doubted as a maverick. RIP major you will be missed..View attachment 9060

Pic is taken from a facebook page - Indian Para Commandos
There is a common misconception that Special Group is recruited from the SFF where Tibetans are largely present. BUT this is total BS, SG may officially come under SFF but it is NOT a part of SFF it is simply a means of keeping them under wraps and their duties very Unknown. SG draw ENTIRELY from Indian SF, not from SFF cadre at all and mostly are from PARA (SF).

SG are the "claws" of RAW and act entirely under their ambit.

@boris good to see you here bro, your input is always welcome.
 

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I think there is no real straight answers to this other than versions of the truth. SG has also gone by many names. Has been in and out of SFF. No clear Idea if SG (and / or SFF) is currently under Cabinet Secretariate, Home Ministry, Defense Ministry etc.

Best I can advise you do a bit of google and leave it at that.
SFF and SG are not one and the same brother.
 

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View attachment 9004 View attachment 9002 I would like to draw your attention towards the tees some guys wearing during malabar, it can be the answer of the question that marcos was there or not, there is a frogman logo on the tshirts and only marcos have right to wear tshirts with a frogman logo now you can say that they can be navy diver with those tees but in the second pic the guy with navy blue tee have a distinct sign of Diver badge means we had Marcos on those ship during those exercises and i dont think they were their to assist VBSS and Navy divers to play the game.. Hence proved Marcos were there and they were represented vulnerably in front of our strategic partners.
These are EOD techs, it makes sense for the MARCOs EOD along with the "regular" IN EOD techs to have operated with the USN EOD techs.

Whilst the I am pretty sure the IN VBSS personnel seen during MALABAR 2016 look to be MARCOs judging by their uniforms and weapons. I am not 100% convinced as it seems weird that MARCOs would exercise with regular VBSS sailors of other navies ESPECIALLY since the last editions of MALABAR have seen regular IN VBSS teams operate with regular USN VBSS teams.

I also think it is interesting that the USN PR have not labelled them as Indian navy SF or MARCOs and usually these guys are VERY professional and label images very Accurately with the units involved and even individuals.
 

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With regard of my conversation with a Captain rank officer of 9 para sf (this particular unit is involved in various operations in a suspicious way) i came to know some interesting things not only about mavericks but about paras too.. penning down them below..
R&AW dont always go with mavericks, it has some local groups too.
Sometime para sf also work with R&AW, i hope you all can assume why because muzzafrabad ki jalebi is delicious :)
Mavericks sometimes disguised as normal infantry, and the next guy didn't know that he is operating with a ghost and they are expert in showing the ambush as a accident ;)
 

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Special Group - Then and Now (well still 10 odd years old)
These pics are almost a decade old and its a misconception brother, Special group is like kids of rich father in India, due to the openness of the world weapon market they have access to almost anything they want to shoot and sometimes their gears are deliver overnight + i have serious doubt of foreign investment in establishment 22 hence we can conclude that they are operating with descent gears..
 

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With regard of my conversation with a Captain rank officer of 9 para sf (this particular unit is involved in various operations in a suspicious way) i came to know some interesting things not only about mavericks but about paras too.. penning down them below..
R&AW dont always go with mavericks, it has some local groups too.
Sometime para sf also work with R&AW, i hope you all can assume why because muzzafrabad ki jalebi is delicious :)
Mavericks sometimes disguised as normal infantry, and the next guy didn't know that he is operating with a ghost and they are expert in showing the ambush as a accident ;)
So , do soilders of SG also works like a RAW agent ?

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With regard of my conversation with a Captain rank officer of 9 para sf (this particular unit is involved in various operations in a suspicious way) i came to know some interesting things not only about mavericks but about paras too.. penning down them below..
R&AW dont always go with mavericks, it has some local groups too.
Sometime para sf also work with R&AW, i hope you all can assume why because muzzafrabad ki jalebi is delicious :)
Mavericks sometimes disguised as normal infantry, and the next guy didn't know that he is operating with a ghost and they are expert in showing the ambush as a accident ;)
I seriously doubt the part about SG being disguised as regular infantry and others in the unit not knowing this. Infantry units are incredibly close knit entities that train and live together for years before they are deployed to a combat zone. You couldn't just have an outsider inserted into them overnight and the rest of the unit being oblivious, that isn't how these things work and it also wouldn't have any utility whatsoever and wouldn't aid operational success. Under the established chain of command if an infantry unit is required to set up an ambush they only need to be ordered to do so, they don't need to be made of why they are doing so.

SG will operate in Kashmir just like the PARA(SF) do as separate entities who have their own mandate except SG will have a much narrower focus and more limited set of objectives and will naturally work with RAW.
 
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