Indian Special Forces (archived)

[flamboyant]

Capt Pawan Kumar, 10 Para (SF)

KIA in J&K at Pampore battle with terrorists - Feb 2016.

Heart sinks every time you see such an able bodied,young,brave and one of the finest breed of officers/soldiers, goes down in this way.
Off late its been happening too frequently.
It takes a lifetime and efforts for parents/army/country to raise such a fine young boy/soldier/citizen.
A few cockroaches come and bring everything to naught in no time !! In such a unacceptable way!!
A nation bleeds,mourns and moves on !! The whole process repeats every 2-3 days/weeks/months.
Can there be a more appropriate example of an ASYMMETRIC WAR ?

Can we put an end to this malaise once and for all?

 

[abingdonboy]

This could have been avoided. Para commandos should not be sent to tackle insurgency issues, they are meant for special operations and it is a very specific skillset that they carry. On top of that, despite his extraordinary courage, the government has still not been able to bring the situation under control. The government must rethink its policy of using minimal force. They could have used heavy guns and subdued the situation. Victory over terrorism is not just about winning a gun battle, we also need to win the narrative war. In jihadi parlance, every attack on India is seen as a David vs Goliath battle so the very fact that the terrorists were able to sneak in is seen by them as a victory. Whatever happens next is simply a bonus for them. This perception of victory will be used to raise the moral of local jihadis and their recruitment will only go up.

The government isn't considering the narrative war at all. The fact that a group of 3 terrorists can hold the imagination of a nation of 1.3 billion people hostage itself is a loss of initiative as far as the narrative war is concerned. We must have rules which mandate the conclusion of any counter-terror operation within a day even through the use of disproportionate firepower if necessary. Instead, we keep sacrificing our officers in a deluded bid to save collateral damage while those ungrateful 'collaterals' don't see us anything more than kaffirs.

Letting a siege go on for multiple days erodes the morale of the entire nation, it's like allowing your tormentor to sit on your head and yap in your ear for days. The government must realize that this is not a test cricket match to allow it to go on for days. They must also think about the effect this has on the psyche of the nation and that of the enemy. It demoralizes our nation and raises the morale of the enemy, thereby justifying the cost-benefit analysis of Pakistani establishment. As long as their terror attacks bear such handsome dividends (week long coverage and internationalization of Kashmir issue), they are never going to stop doing it. We must deny them the propaganda advantage, bring an artillery strike on the building and conclude CT ops in a few hours at the most. It's not worth sacrificing our soldier's lives for. 7 of our people have been martyred, 13 injured. This is not justified.

That building is already fucked, there are no civilians inside, it's prudent to bring in the heavy guns and end this immediately. Otherwise, let the QRT of local secular members of J&K police handle it. We should not sacrifice our mainland boys to save those ungrateful valley rats.

in your own country this is how it has to be fought. Using overwhelming force forces for you if your in a foreign land but you can't go around blowing up every building with terrorists inside whilst on your own soil and not give a concern for collateral damage.

 

[Rizvi Khan]

This could have been avoided. Para commandos should not be sent to tackle insurgency issues, they are meant for special operations and it is a very specific skillset that they carry. On top of that, despite his extraordinary courage, the government has still not been able to bring the situation under control. The government must rethink its policy of using minimal force. They could have used heavy guns and subdued the situation. Victory over terrorism is not just about winning a gun battle, we also need to win the narrative war. In jihadi parlance, every attack on India is seen as a David vs Goliath battle so the very fact that the terrorists were able to sneak in is seen by them as a victory. Whatever happens next is simply a bonus for them. This perception of victory will be used to raise the moral of local jihadis and their recruitment will only go up.

The government isn't considering the narrative war at all. The fact that a group of 3 terrorists can hold the imagination of a nation of 1.3 billion people hostage itself is a loss of initiative as far as the narrative war is concerned. We must have rules which mandate the conclusion of any counter-terror operation within a day even through the use of disproportionate firepower if necessary. Instead, we keep sacrificing our officers in a deluded bid to save collateral damage while those ungrateful 'collaterals' don't see us anything more than kaffirs.

Letting a siege go on for multiple days erodes the morale of the entire nation, it's like allowing your tormentor to sit on your head and yap in your ear for days. The government must realize that this is not a test cricket match to allow it to go on for days. They must also think about the effect this has on the psyche of the nation and that of the enemy. It demoralizes our nation and raises the morale of the enemy, thereby justifying the cost-benefit analysis of Pakistani establishment. As long as their terror attacks bear such handsome dividends (week long coverage and internationalization of Kashmir issue), they are never going to stop doing it. We must deny them the propaganda advantage, bring an artillery strike on the building and conclude CT ops in a few hours at the most. It's not worth sacrificing our soldier's lives for. 7 of our people have been martyred, 13 injured. This is not justified.

That building is already fucked, there are no civilians inside, it's prudent to bring in the heavy guns and end this immediately. Otherwise, let the QRT of local secular members of J&K police handle it. We should not sacrifice our mainland boys to save those ungrateful valley rats.

Completely agree just send in the heavy guns and destroy it fully. Our young boys should not be sacrificed likes this it is sad and sorrowful. I also agree that people living in that valley are Muslims and me being a Muslim I say those guys don't know what this religion is all about. I say kill them too if they protecting terrorists. They eat our money they live on our money and support porkistan!!!! Why doesn't the government understand this. Put jammers and jam all damn channels from porkistan that is fueling a lot of porki Haleem in their brains!!! Anyone against the force should be neutralised it is a necessity of the hour to boost moral of our forces. Every day one young soul is sacrificed for those who don't care a damn thing about the motherland. Shame!!!

 

[abingdonboy]

Late Captain Pawan Kumar:

 

[Abhi9]

NSG with good head gear and night vision device

 

[Abhi9]

Mumbai force one commandos

 

[Abhi9]

Mumbai force one commandos

 

[Abhi9]

NSG training in Snow

 

[Abhi9]

MUMBAI force one

 

[Abhi9]

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[INDRA Networks]

Mumbai force one commandos

Hey can't you see the watermark bro
Well you can use it but before using you should take our permission

 

[Nuvneet Kundu]

Hey can't you see the watermark bro
Well you can use it but before using you should take our permission

Once you upload your content to a platform like Facebook and Wordpress, your personal copyrights are overridden by the rules of the host, which, by the way, grant the host exclusive copyright ownership over the content "to display, modify and use the content" as they please. At the very most Facebook could claim copyright over the aforementioned content, but you cannot. Read the TOS before picking fights with others. I went to your blog and you have yourself sourced images from various other freelancers and put your watermark on them. Have you taken permission from them?

Putting a watermark on an image does not make it yours. This is not like reserving railway seats by throwing handkerchiefs on it. Copyright is a legal document and if you claim that your copyright has been infringed, you will have to present evidence that your copyright has been violated. To do that, you need to have a registered copyright in the first place. Do you?

Don't be rude to people unnecessarily in the guise of legal safeguards. No one has violated any law.

 

[INDRA Networks]

Once you upload your content to a platform like Facebook and Wordpress, your personal copyrights are overridden by the rules of the host, which, by the way, grant the host exclusive copyright ownership over the content "to display, modify and use the content" as they please. At the very most Facebook could claim copyright over the aforementioned content, but you cannot. Read the TOS before picking fights with others. I went to your blog and you have yourself sourced images from various other freelancers and put your watermark on them. Have you taken permission from them?

Putting a watermark on an image does not make it yours. This is not like reserving railway seats by throwing handkerchiefs on it. Copyright is a legal document and if you claim that your copyright has been infringed, you will have to present evidence that your copyright has been violated. To do that, you need to have a registered copyright in the first place. Do you?

Don't be rude to people unnecessarily in the guise of legal safeguards. No one has violated any law.

Apologisies for that but I'm the main admin and someone else wrote as we have many editors so someone has replied
Again on behalf of the group we apologize for the reply
-Team INDRA
(INDRA Networks)

 

[Bangalibaba]

Guys just a small request,can u pls hide the jawan's faces with watermarking etc.?Posting special forces jawans' photo compromises their anonymity/secrecy and jeoparsies their security as well. Thanks.

 

[AbRaj]

I've noticed that pakistani posters generally don't post sensitive information on their forums as frequently as we do

 

[Nuvneet Kundu]

I've noticed that pakistani posters generally don't post sensitive information on their forums as frequently as we do

Even we don't post sensitive information. If you notice carefully, there are no genuine content producers in the area of defense blogging. Each an every image you see on the internet today is ultimately sourced from an official army or MoD source. There are no freelance defense journalists clicking original pictires. Even that retard Shiv Aroor gets his images from an army source. Once the images are out, they spread on all forums and social media sites which are not to blame for the original leaks. It's for the MoD to institute guidelines to their own department as far as leakage is concerned. None of us have climbed the walls of any military installation to click these pictures. The pictures were made available to us in the comfort of our homes by the courtesy of military officials themselves making them available on the internet. I'm not denying that some of these images might be sensitive but I am certain that none of these images are illegally sourced by any of our posters. It's a case of irresponsible releases from the military officials themselves. If they want leakage of sensitive information, they should stop leaking it. It is difficult for civilians for gauge which images are sensitive and which ones are not. The military personnel who are leaking them are in a better position to exercise caution while making any information available to the general public. I'm sorry but civilians can't be pushed into a guilt trap for someone else's irresponsible behavior.

This is the 5th time this issue has cropped up on the same thread. @abingdonboy, @aditya g what's the solution to this constant 'hai tauba' behavior? The MoD has enough means to conceal information if they want to, by instituting guidelines to their personnel not to click pictures when on duty and not to pose for them, and definitely not to upload them on their social media accounts. How are civilians to blame if personnel are themselves clicking selfies?

 

[aditya g]

I agree with Nuvneet. The forum members are only curating and sharing information that is already available on the internet. A lot of the photos are through official press releases, including those of MARCOS. Normally MoD releases the passport photo of all award winners every year as well for example.

So there is a layer of security already built into the pics.

I think its time we frame guidelines and put them on a pinned thread so that there is a yardstick to confirm to. Let me frame a couple to kick off:

1. Posting private pictures taken by servicemen which show sensitive facilities, equipment or personnel who/which can be uniquely identified. Please do not post even if you have their permission.

Eg: Post of INS Chakra under maintenance at Vizag taken by Naval officer. If the same was released by MoD or official channels you are most welcome to post it here.

2. Posting your own privately taken pictures which show sensitive facilities, equipment or personnel who/which can be uniquely identified.

Eg: Posting Mirage-2000 lineup with serial numbers showing. If the same was released by MoD or official channels you are most welcome to post it here.

For #1 and #2 We can consider if the serial numbers, faces are blanked out but this is case basis. We can also look at exceptions if the photo is reasonably old, say from 1990s. But this is a grey zone and we have to be careful. We can post pictures of martyred personnel for sentimental reasons, but there is no blank cheque.

3. Posting scans including text and pics from confidential MoD/services materials, manuals etc is a strict no-no irrespective of age. Posting from Sainik Samachar, MoD annual reports, CAG reports etc is welcome and we can look at scans from magazines such as quarterdeck as well.

We can look at refining these and adding more, but an 'auditable' set of guidelines will be interest of the forum.

FYI @Kunal Biswas

Even we don't post sensitive information. If you notice carefully, there are no genuine content producers in the area of defense blogging. Each an every image you see on the internet today is ultimately sourced from an official army or MoD source. There are no freelance defense journalists clicking original pictires. Even that retard Shiv Aroor gets his images from an army source. Once the images are out, they spread on all forums and social media sites which are not to blame for the original leaks. It's for the MoD to institute guidelines to their own department as far as leakage is concerned. None of us have climbed the walls of any military installation to click these pictures. The pictures were made available to us in the comfort of our homes by the courtesy of military officials themselves making them available on the internet. I'm not denying that some of these images might be sensitive but I am certain that none of these images are illegally sourced by any of our posters. It's a case of irresponsible releases from the military officials themselves. If they want leakage of sensitive information, they should stop leaking it. It is difficult for civilians for gauge which images are sensitive and which ones are not. The military personnel who are leaking them are in a better position to exercise caution while making any information available to the general public. I'm sorry but civilians can't be pushed into a guilt trap for someone else's irresponsible behavior.

This is the 5th time this issue has cropped up on the same thread. @abingdonboy, @aditya g what's the solution to this constant 'hai tauba' behavior? The MoD has enough means to conceal information if they want to, by instituting guidelines to their personnel not to click pictures when on duty and not to pose for them, and definitely not to upload them on their social media accounts. How are civilians to blame if personnel are themselves clicking selfies?

 

[abingdonboy]

Mumbai force one commandos

Mumbai force one commandos

MUMBAI force one

Most of these pics are of Mumbai Police's QRTs (Quick Reaction Teams), remember that Force One is a SEPERATE unit and belongs to the Maharashtra state police- NOT Mumbai.

 

[abingdonboy]

This is the 5th time this issue has cropped up on the same thread. @abingdonboy, @aditya g what's the solution to this constant 'hai tauba' behavior? The MoD has enough means to conceal information if they want to, by instituting guidelines to their personnel not to click pictures when on duty and not to pose for them, and definitely not to upload them on their social media accounts. How are civilians to blame if personnel are themselves clicking selfies?

The MoD has very strict guidlines on social media for its serve members- they are not allowed to post pictures of themselves in uniform, on base or on operations and they are not allowed to post their locations. A lot of the pics appearing are of police/CAPFs who have no similar guidlines) or are old (4+ years).

The MoD is actually very good at controlling what it puts out, the media on the other hand is reckless.

But again, the GoI needs to take up this matter seriously and implement a law similar to France's were it is ILLEGAL to post a picture or NAME (just as crucially) of special/counter terror units which would include these police first responder units. This "selfie craze" cannot be allowed to comprimise the seucrity of the nation- you have civlians posing next to elite security units and the ramifications for this are very sinister. If you think the enemy isn't monitoring these things you are deluding yourself.


One has to get ahead of this issue BEFORE it comes back to bite you in the a$$, break away from the typical Indian reactive mindset. Start a petition or contact your MPs on this matter, by the time this issue is in the mainstream media it will be too late because it will mean this loophole has been exploited with a horrific outcome.

 

[abingdonboy]

NSG:

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