Indian Special Forces (archived)

[ejazr]

It all comes down to enacting police reforms and really implementing it.

Incompetent police is encouraged by not having police accountable for their actions and allowing bribery to become a part of life. Innocent people suffer while corrupt policemen jail people on frivolous charges and demand bribes for their release. And this makes our cities insecure when the real terrorists or criminal gangs strike because they haven't even been caught in the first place.

 

[anoop_mig25]

had only a handful of bullet-proof jackets, no hands-free radios, night sights for weapons, stun grenades or even trainers.

with such a pathetic facilities and with no or very less increment in their pays are officers stupid to opt for a such units where they are sure to be get killed (with such a pathetic equipement ) if event like that on scale of 26/11 occurs whether by some outsiders or by insiders.

i even read in local newspaper durning 26/11 that most of local mumbai policemen use their own bullet proof jacket brought by themself instead of going for one provided by government when any shoot out takes place . now what do u think where are going to get money for buying it . offcourse by corruption only

i am sure no one wants to become guinea pig here

 

[gogbot]

It all comes down to enacting police reforms and really implementing it.

There in lies the problem , many senor officers have asked for reform and even gotten it in one case.
Superme court even ordered these changes to take place.

However state governments were unwilling to do anything , even after a separate supreme court appeal commanding them to do so .

There is no central solution to India , each state needs its own solution.

 

[The Messiah]

When a good portion of people police only get the job through "सिफ़ारिश" or bribe how can you expect them to be loyal to police and country.

 

[malluowl]

Excuses...thats all that is.

A police officer in my ghetto a** city gets US$48,000. I guarantee you, policing in any big US city is the worst you can get anywhere on earth. True they get their equipments, but do you know how many times there radio has gone out or the patrol cars breaks down right in the middle of a ghetto with no immediate backup.

Indian cops make excuses for the pathetic job they do, just like the rest of the population. No wonder, India never got anywhere and never will.

 

[Rage]

Excuses...thats all that is.

A police officer in my ghetto a** city gets US$48,000. I guarantee you, policing in any big US city is the worst you can get anywhere on earth. True they get their equipments, but do you know how many times there radio has gone out or the patrol cars breaks down right in the middle of a ghetto with no immediate backup.

Indian cops make excuses for the pathetic job they do, just like the rest of the population. No wonder, India never got anywhere and never will.

You're ranting.

Policing in the United States is not worse than policing everywhere else in the world. Believe me. Come out of your little shell, and face the world.

Policemen in India are corrupt to the core, made lynchpins by politicians and of a system that rewards self-seeking behavior, not communitarian service, but there are still policemen who remain true, and behaviorally, at a macro-level, the rot is beginning to stem.

Indians are pretty efficient when it comes to activities involving personal gain, in view most apparently, in the private sector. Take a walk out to any one of the plethora of private security companies that exist, and they'll provide you with services at par with the best in the world. The majority of the private sector, like companies, educational institutes, banks, etc. get their security provided by these companies.

 

[Rage]

But the fact is, that Force One is in serious jeopardy of becoming a failure. If the officers are unwilling to take up the cause, either put in a system of rotational-deputation, or raise the incentive.

Every cop in India's larger cities must be put through a test of shooting, once a year. If the cop fails, he should be in serious risk of losing his badge and honour, with two months to prove himself. If he fails twice, he's out of the force.

 

[Yatharth Singh]

MARCOS are called for different operations and IA commandos , IA commandos specalize in anti terrorist and behind enemy lines operation where MARCOS are anti piracy and other operation

Wrong. MARCOS Marine commandos operations are not just limited to anti-piracy in sea. As said by Robin, MARCOS are the best special commando force in India. They can operate anywhere on land, sea and air(to a limited extent). They are currently deployed in J&K around the Wular Lake. Apart from anti-piracy ops they are responsible for the security of unmanned islands in the Bay of Bengal and Arabian Sea.

They have operated behind enemy lines in operation Pawan(1988) as a strike force.

Their capabilities are:-

Open and closed circuit diving.
Basic commando skills including advanced weapon skills, demolitions, endurance training and martial arts.
Para training.
Intelligence gathering and reconnaissance training.
Operation of submersible craft.
Offshore operations.
Anti terrorist operations.
Operations from submarines.
Skydiving.
Various special skills such as language training, insertion methods, etc.
Explosive ordnance disposal techniques.

About them it is said by high officials and is also true that their is nothing which a MARCOS cannot do. And that is why they are the best special force in India.

 

[Yatharth Singh]

The Delhi police have set up a Special Weapons and Tactics (SWAT) team as part of their renewed counter-terror measures. Created some months ago in the wake of the 26/11 terror attack in Mumbai, the team has been participating in mock security drills being carried out in the city as part of its training.

The unit at present comprises about 40 young recruits, mostly in their early 20s.

The SWAT commandos have undergone rigorous training in handling of sophisticated weapons and most have been armed with AK assault rifles.

The SWAT members, who will be armed with sophisticated light-weight weapons in future, are also being trained in hostage and crisis negotiation techniques. They are being taught ways to access a target, conduct searches and rescue operations and carry out close combats. In the recently conducted mock drills in the city, the unit headed most of the operations.

It is learnt that the unit members are also being trained in Krav Maga technique of hand-to-hand combat that focuses on tactical defence skills. It is expected to prepare them for threat neutralisation through simultaneous use of offensive and defensive moves in real-life situations. The technique was first introduced in Israel for providing combat training to security, intelligence and law enforcement agencies.

"If required, the unit members will also be trained by National Security Guard (NSG)," said a senior police officer, adding that details of the components of the SWAT unit are yet to be finalised.

Another police officer suggested that the specialised unit can be exposed to the experiences of the SWAT units of other countries. "They need to interact with SWAT teams from other countries to know more about their tactics while carrying out operations on the ground. Joint exercises should also be carried out for practical knowledge. They should be apprised of details of previous operations against terrorists to enrich their experience," said the police officer

Apart from the specialised unit, newly recruited and young constables from all the districts are being imparted 45-day commando training at the Police Training College as part of the counter-terror initiatives. A 10-day refresher course in commando training is also being conducted for others.

http://kravmaga.co.in/?p=43

I want to know more about this SWAT team of Delhi Police. Gears and tactics. Anyone.

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

i think the the parachute regiment of indian army should be converted to an elite corps (2-3 division strength)of airborne infantry like russia's airborne troops(vdv) or plaaf airborne corps.this elite airborne units are strategic assets of any nation(rapid reaction units) consisting of self propelled artillery,self propelled mortars,light armoured vehicles like apc,ifv(para version),anti aircraft artillery with and specialised infantry weapons.
separately the army should develop a special forces regiment with about 10000 elite troops with level of training equivalent to marcos but more suited to land warfare.this special forces regiment along with marcos and iaf garuds should be put under a separate special forces command under the MOD.

 

[debasree]

I think instead of keeping a large number of infantry ,army should give priority to raise a smaller force mainly consisting of special forces equipped with latest gadgets and weapons.

 

[Yatharth Singh]

I think instead of keeping a large number of infantry ,army should give priority to raise a smaller force mainly consisting of special forces equipped with latest gadgets and weapons.

No, special forces are known as special forces because they are lesser in number and more in quality. Each force has its particular objective and training accordingly whereas regular army is the the heart of any nation(as spoken). It is simple, army cant do the work of a special force and special forces cant perform the job of a regular army.

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

i would suggest that india should increase the size of our infantry from the existing 465 battalions or 32 divisions to about 50 division.in a two front war especially against china in the mountains of north east,sikkim and ladakh we are going to face massive pla infantry.the good sam cover of both india and china and the difficulty of terrain rules out ground attack of air-force.in such a situation we have to face the popular pla tactics of human waves attack.in such the battle can be won by the artillery,mbrl and infantry.special forces are very good in attacking the supply lines of enemy,behind enemy line covert action guide artillery power,lase enemy missile locations and sabotage operations.but they cannot stand up face to face against enemy infantry.

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

can anyone confirm whether indian special forces receive shifuji commando training from deepak dubey?

 

[Koovie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx4xzBCdmXQ
Whats the LMG at 1:22??

 

[Kunal Biswas]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx4xzBCdmXQ
Whats the LMG at 1:22??

That`s SMG, MP-7/9..


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[shuvo@y2k10]

marcos is stated to have participated in behind enemy lines operations in the kargil war though their actual operation is classified(source:wikipaedia).can anyone speculate what kind of operation it can be?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

marcos is stated to have participated in behind enemy lines operations in the kargil war though their actual operation is classified(source:wikipaedia).can anyone speculate what kind of operation it can be?

There is no classified operation known to the public abt Kargil, IA never conducted Beyond LOC..

Wiki can be manipulated with fake news..

 

[ALBY]

kunal sir,is the marcos trained to conduct the same operation the us navy seals is doing or it is trained in the lines of SAS ?is our marcos comparable with the the US NAVY SEALS?apart from the anti piracy ops can you shed light on any other classified operation our MARCOS had successfully taken part.....and also please specify on how much member team they are operating in ordinary operations ....

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

yes marcos is trained as one of the best special forces in the world comparable to seals,sbs.marcos train for almost 2 years compared to 3 months of training of parasf(though they have basic infantry training).the us navy seals train for 1.5-2 years and use advanced weapons and sdv for being deployed by submarines.marcos is being upgraded with tar-21 but it should more no. of 2 man submersibles(modern) and midget submarines in order to make them highly effective.also i think the best trained special force in india is iaf garud after seeing the rocky and mayur video in ndtv. i think everyone should watch that video.