Indian Ocean Developments

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One thing India needs to do is try to increase cultural exchanges between Sri Lanka and India. India needs to work hard in fostering a sense of brotherhood among Sri Lankan Tamils and Sinhalese. India getting saddled with domestic coalition or regional sensitivities has been the Achilles' heel of India's foreign policy via-a-vis Sri Lanka.

India should be able to cultivate good relationship with Sri Lanka without offending our own politicians (or citizens) from TN. Seems like a challenging job, at least for now.
 

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All grown ups putting forth their thoughts. I dont think we need to go OT with some mud slinging. Thank you.
 

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No ad hominems.

Please maintain a modicum of decency and having a civil tongue in the head.

Moderators have no desire to become Merlins.
 

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You think the 'Right to Education', Subsidies, High Taxes and Licenses on goods and invst in retail are 'pseudo-communist'? What would you call a nation-state that gives subsidies to its farmers, has universal healthcare, agricultural boards for marketing produce, has kereitsus or subsidises 40%-60% of higher secondary education? A 'socialist' state or a communist one?
I would call it Socialist Republic of United States of America.

What has the specific nature of internal policy got to do with external geo-strategic / economic policy? Being able to dangle a economic carrot before a country is a function of: a) increased integration into the global economy; and b) government revenue
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The access to Indian Market is a major carrot for any country in the world, our domestic issues have made it increasingly difficult for our MEA and MoF to attract, the kind of FDI we are capable off. Our GDP reserve is the same Current Account SURPLUS of China, while we are on negative 26 billion.

'Communism' is not about license raj's, subsidies, retail FDI or high taxes. It is about state distribution, the centrally-authorized construction of ideas, state production and price controls. We have none of that
For a person who believes in objectivisim and individualism, It is only 2 steps away from communism.

The problem is a human one, not a systemic one. It is about lochas stealing billions of dollars and stashing it away in foreign cash.
It is simple direct and indirect taxes combine more than 60% of a person's income. While all he gets back absolutely zero. The Government has a responsibility to a people who make them wealth and work hard for the country's progress. If you dont, they will get their money out of the country. Ultimately it is about a man and his hard work.

And that corruption is humongously deeply buried in our roots. There are two ways to resolve that problem: a) fear, which we cannot use, lest we truly want to become another 'communist' regime like China; and b) education, which is the only real alternative left to us, but that takes a billion fvckin' years to show light.
Do you know Minister Sibal is going to have control of CBSE/ICSE schools transfered to State Governments? A Ward Member can influence and strip away recognition of any private school, at one sweep they effectively nationalized and politicised private school system, absolutely no one raised a finger.
 

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^@ Adux, if the United States is the 'socialist republic of America', then you talking about us not being capitalist enough < in whatever form it exists > is pointless, because capitalism does not exist.

The Indian market, believe it or not, is still relatively small compared to other, major markets of the world. It is a potentially large market. But, it is not a carrot we can use now. I'm talking about politico-economic carrots, like utilizing our non-permanent position on the UNSC to negotiate for an end to trade-sanctions against a particular regime, or offering to sell the numerous Western-derivative technologies, we have or may produce, and which are not bound by the same user restrictions as the original counterparts, including the numerous from the U.S-India civil nuclear deal and defense offsets- to third-party countries.

License raj's, subsidies and caps on retail FDI; and Communism are far away on a 'one-toot-from-this-whistle-will-send-you-to-a-far-awayland'-scale <translation: one hit from this bong will send you on a massive trip>.

How many people actually pay the full extent of their taxes? You. And which other ponzo? If you think people actually pay the full extent of their taxes, anywhere, on anything, in any part of the country, you're part of the small, honest, negligible minority.

For the rec, a consolidated GST that will simplify and eliminate dual-taxes on a lot of products has been in the offing, but the stupid BJP, which would do the same thing if they came to power, refuses to stop blocking it.

The reason: 'why the common man gets back absoloutely zero', even when 'taxes combine to more than 60% of a person's income', is because of corruption, a putrid pds and scams, that rivel this country dry. They would not pay a single tax fully- whether it was a hundred rupees or a hundred billion rupees. You cannot have low taxes, if you don't have an effective monitoring system. At least, in the presence of high taxes, a significant monetary amount is expected <in the case of regulated industries>, which would amount to a smaller percentage as tax, even while a good chunk of the amount is shielded from liability.

The ICSE is conducted by the Council for Indian School Certificate Examinations, a University of Cambridge Local Examinations Syndicate- affiliate, established to conduct the University Syndicate's local examinations in India. It is actually a foreign-controlled 'apex' organization, not a Government organization. The plan was always to devolve it, to eventually have it controlled by the states. The syllabus and content will still remain Cambridge, and I'd like to see any Ward member strip away recognition from a University of Cambridge- affiliate.

The CBSE de-evolution may be a bad idea. I agree.
 

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@Adux,

Which part of post #26 do you not understand?

I read your post #30 and it has some interesting points that I would like to discuss. I cannot as long as you keep posting here.

The title of the thread is: 'Not enough room for China in Indian Ocean: Maldives'

Anything else should go to the proper thread.

Thanks.
 
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I have read articles about the success Chinese are having in buying out East African resources and winning over their governments, by pumping billions into countries like Ethiopia, Tanzania, Kenya, Mozambique, Sudan, Uganda etc. as well as other countries all over Africa. India is clearly losing out of favor with this developing scenario. We should increase our economic involvement with the countries of East Africa and engage them proactively.
 

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A tight and strong slap for the chinese, who are trying to gain superiority in the INDIAN OCEAN.
 

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Why the Indian Ocean Matters

In the fourth in our series on understanding Asia-Pacific sea power, we look at what the rise of India and China means for the region.

As the third-largest body of water in the world, and containing vital sea lanes that help feed some of Asia's largest economies, the importance of the Indian Ocean has long been clear.

However, the relative decline of US power in the region has left a void that is increasingly being filled by China and India, both eager to secure their position as major powerbrokers in global affairs. It's this confluence of events and interests that's starting to make strategic developments in the region particularly interesting right now.

The sea lanes in the Indian Ocean are considered among the most strategically important in the world—according to the Journal of the Indian Ocean Region, more than 80 percent of the world's seaborne trade in oil transits through Indian Ocean choke points, with 40 percent passing through the Strait of Hormuz, 35 percent through the Strait of Malacca and 8 percent through the Bab el-Mandab Strait.

But it's not just about sea lanes and trade. More than half the world's armed conflicts are presently located in the Indian Ocean region, while the waters are also home to continually evolving strategic developments including the competing rises of China and India, potential nuclear confrontation between India and Pakistan, the US interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan, Islamist terrorism, growing incidence of piracy in and around the Horn of Africa,and management of diminishing fishery resources.

As a result of all this, almost all the world's major powers have deployed substantial military forces in the Indian Ocean region. For example, in addition to maintaining expeditionary forces in Iraq and Afghanistan, the US 5th Fleet is headquartered in Bahrain, and uses the island of Diego Garcia as a major air-naval base and logistics hub for its Indian Ocean operations. In addition, the United States has deployed several major naval task forces there, including Combined Task Force 152, which is aimed at safeguarding the flow of oil through the Persian Gulf,and Combined Task Force 150, which is tasked with countering piracy from the Gulf of Oman to Kenya.

France, meanwhile, is perhaps the last of the major European powers to maintaina significant presence in the north and southwest Indian Ocean quadrants, with naval bases in Djibouti, Reunion, and Abu Dhabi. And, of course, China and India both also have genuine aspirations of developing blue water naval capabilities through the development and acquisition of aircraft carriers and an aggressive modernization and expansion programme.

China's aggressive soft power diplomacy has widely been seen as arguably the most important element in shaping the Indian Ocean strategic environment, transforming the entire region's dynamics. By providing large loans on generous repayment terms, investing in major infrastructure projects such as the building of roads, dams, ports, power plants,and railways, and offering military assistance and political support in the UN Security Council through its veto powers, China has secured considerable goodwill and influence among countries in the Indian Ocean region.

And the list of countries that are coming within China's strategic orbit appears to be growing. Sri Lanka, which has seen China replace Japan as its largest donor, is a case in point—China was no doubt instrumental in ensuring that Sri Lanka was granted dialogue partner status in the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation.

To the west, Kenya offers another example of how China has been bolstering its influence in the Indian Ocean. The shift was underscored in a leaked US diplomatic cable from February 2010 that was recently published by WikiLeaks. In it, US Ambassador to Kenya Michael Ranneberger highlighted the decline of US influence in East Africa's economic hub, saying: 'We expect China's engagement in Kenya to continue growing given Kenya's strategic location"¦If oil or gas is found in Kenya, this engagement will likely grow even faster. Kenya's leadership may be tempted to move close to China in an effort to shield itself from Western, and principally US pressure to reform.'

But where China has led, India has certainly been following. India imports about 70 percent of its oil through the Indian Ocean Region to its various ports. As a consequence, it has been enhancing its strategic influence through the use of soft power, by becoming a major foreign investor in regional mining, oil, gas,and infrastructure projects. In addition, India has aggressively expanded its naval presence.reportedly to include the establishment of listening posts in the Seychelles, Madagascar.and Mauritius; in late 2009, it successfully co-opted the Maldives as part of its southern naval command. China is often accused of engaging in a String of Pearls strategy to surround India. Judging by India's naval build-up, though, the truth could actually be quite the opposite.

All this said, the economic and military considerations traditionally associated with diplomacy shouldn't overshadow another pressing and potentially inflammatory issue in the Indian Ocean—the largely unregulated overexploitation of its fishery resources.

The UN's Food and Agriculture Organization has launched a number of initiatives to tackle the problem, including the Indian Ocean Tuna Commission, which was created in 1993 (and which includes among its 24 members a number of countries outside the region such as China, Japan, and the United Kingdom). Yet despite such efforts, in 2005, the FAO admitted that 75 percent of fishery resources in the south-western Indian Ocean had been fished to their limits, while the remaining 25 percent had been harvested beyond ecological sustainment. The consequences of over fishing, which is actually largely a result of activity by countries outside the region, could eventually have serious consequences for littoral states that depend heavily on maritime resources to feed their populations and also provide valuable export revenues.

The problems associated with resource and strategic issues are only likely to grow more pronounced over the coming decade, especially with the global economy's continued reliance on energy reserves in the Middle East, Central Asia,and Africa. A rapidly growing China and India, who both entertain superpower aspirations, are becoming increasingly energy hungry, and there's genuine potential for conflict as these two giants try to feed their economic growth and expand their influence.

'Energy security,and resources are absolutely critical. The Indian Ocean Region is immensely rich in that, and therefore, all developing societies need access to the new material produced around the Indian Ocean littoral,' said Kim Beazley, Australia's ambassador to the United States, in an interview with Asia Pacific Defence Reporter. 'In the long-term the Indian Ocean is going to be massively more significant in global politics than it has ever been before, and that is the function largely of the fact that the Asia-Pacific region is massively more significant.'

Right now, there's no reason to think he isn't right.

Sergei DeSilva-Ranasinghe is a Senior Analyst at Future Directions International, a strategic think tank based in Perth, Western Australia.


http://the-diplomat.com/2011/03/02/why-the-indian-ocean-matters/2/
 
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The Indian Ocean is indeed a vital part of global trade, and my only concern right now is the growth of Chinese influence in the region.
 

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This influence is bound to increase as China looks out to protect its supply lines coming across Indian ocean.
The ocean is soon to become a huge herd of crawling ships from many world powers/consumers.
It is un-characterstic of India to apply authoritarian influence in the region to anyone except the pirates, although I seriously object to such a soft approach.

Regards,
Virendra
 

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Indian ocean is and should be Indian playground. If Indian and USA navy decide to work together there is no way Chinese can again influence here. No matter how many pearls they add to their strings it will be broken with a finger snap. Indian ocean is too far away and too large for Chinese to control. Apart from Logistical hindrances Chinese will be bogged in their own neighborhood if USA plans become successful. With Chinese neighbors arming their navies with USA and Western powers will chinese actually have resources and manpower to leave their own backyard?
 

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India to spend Rs 10,000 cr on Karwar naval base expansion

The Times of India: Latest News India, World & Business News, Cricket & Sports, Bollywood
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India to spend Rs 10,000 cr on Karwar naval base expansion


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NEW DELHI:-India is finally getting ready to spend around Rs10,000 crore on the proposed major expansion of the strategic Karwar naval base in coastal Karnataka.
Aircraft carrier INS Vikramadity (the refurbished Admiral Gorshkov), Scorpene attack submarines and other frontline warships will be
based there in the future.

This comes at a time when India is faced with the likelihood of Chinese warships using the Gwadar deep-sea port in Pakistan, which it helped build in the last decade, in the years ahead.
Apprehensions on this were reinforced recently when Pakistani defence minister Ahmed Mukhtar publicly declared that Islamabad had asked Beijing to build a naval base at Gwadar, which offers direct access to the Gulf region..
Though China was quick to deny it had any interest in establishing a naval base of its own at Gwadar, Beijing's assiduous role in building ports in Bangladesh, Myanmar and Sri Lanka has only served to underline its "string of pearls" strategic construct in the Indian Ocean Region.
Pakistan already has five major naval bases and ports at Gwadar, Ormara, Karachi, Pasni and Jiwani, while Karwar is India's third major naval base after Mumbai and Visakhapatnam on the east coast.
"After some delay, the defence ministry has now prepared a "note" for the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) on Phase-IIA of `Project Seabird' at Karwar after fine-tuning a detailed project report (DPR)," said an official. "The note is being vetted by finance and will soon go to CCS for the final approval. The Navy will be able to base 27 major warships at Karwar after completion of Phase-IIA, at a cost of around Rs 10,000 crore, by 2017-2018," he added.
Project Seabird has been dogged by long delays, fund crunches and truncated clearances since it was first approved in 1985 at an initial cost of Rs 350 crore. Phase-I, completed at a cost of Rs 2,629 crore, has enabled the Navy to base 11 warships and 10 yardcraft at Karwar.
Under Phase-II, Karwar will get an airbase, armament depot, dockyard complex and missile silos, apart from additional jetties, berthing and anchorage facilities. The eventual aim is to base 50 major warships at Karwar after Phase-IIB is completed.
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.............for full news please visit above link
 

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^^ Nice pics, mate !


Currently, phase 2A is underway, when phase 2B is over by around 2017-2018, Karwar base will be able to berth nearly 50 ships. That's gonna be really huge.
 
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^^^^ that indeed a news which we all defence enthusiasts looking upon.
Atlast the GOI had raised from there sleep and had their eyes open to the changing power balance and its effect on the India.
 

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Good illustrations and bird's eye view. Makes it easier to visualise. By the way how big is the base at Mumbai currently?
 

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Good illustrations and bird's eye view. Makes it easier to visualise. By the way how big is the base at Mumbai currently?
Mumbai Naval dockyard is spread over an area of approximately 130 acres of land and employs 10000 people.
 

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missile sillos does that mean it will stationed nuke missile also?
 

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^^^^ yes its very much a possiblity that they will place a nuke salvo at that base as its quite safe there.
 

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