Indian Navy Developments & Discussions

[Smoothbore125mm]

Then why don't you quit the forum? I am only saying that the SSBNs which are small and can't carry large number of ICBMs are practically useless. This is in context of Arihant class subs. Nothing wrong in trying assess with high certainty whether Arihant is a SSN or not by going through all possible angles.

these are ssgn and k-15 but first answer how many k15 do arihant and s4 can fire

 

[NutCracker]

Then why don't you quit the forum? I am only saying that the SSBNs which are small and can't carry large number of ICBMs are practically useless. This is in context of Arihant class subs. Nothing wrong in trying assess with high certainty whether Arihant is a SSN or not by going through all possible angles.

Subs with less VLS can be there for Porkies and to train the sailors for upcoming SSBNs and SSNs. We need to train hundreds of sailors. For which we dont have to order Akula anymore.

You are making mountain out of molehill with your tunnel vision.

 

[Smoothbore125mm]

You are making mountain out of molehill with your tunnel vision.

man is good at digging silos

 

[shade]

Y'all nibbiars think we should go with the German sub from a purely geopoliteeks perspective, not technical?
The sub they're offering has been exported to 4 countries, the Spanish one is only in Spain.

However the krauts are a poodle of Uncle Sam so this subs deal may be another way to get a leash on us.

OTOH the bratwurst enjoyers will do mujra for a few $$$ so we can have them as a slave like how the Turks(defence) and Chings(economy) do

Eye on big submarine deal, how Germany lifted ban on small arms sales to India

A German firm has emerged as a strong contender for the Indian Navy’s Rs 43,000 crore Project-75 (I) to build six advanced conventional submarines

www.indiatoday.in

Spaniards are meanwhile offering PHULLL TOT TRANSFER SAAAAR Altho their tech is Ethanol based and not hydrogen fuel cells like the Germans

 

[mamamia12]

Y'all nibbiars think we should go with the German sub from a purely geopoliteeks perspective, not technical?
The sub they're offering has been exported to 4 countries, the Spanish one is only in Spain.

However the krauts are a poodle of Uncle Sam so this subs deal may be another way to get a leash on us.

OTOH the bratwurst enjoyers will do mujra for a few $$$ so we can have them as a slave like how the Turks(defence) and Chings(economy) do

Eye on big submarine deal, how Germany lifted ban on small arms sales to India

A German firm has emerged as a strong contender for the Indian Navy’s Rs 43,000 crore Project-75 (I) to build six advanced conventional submarines

www.indiatoday.in

Spaniards are meanwhile offering PHULLL TOT TRANSFER SAAAAR Altho their tech is Ethanol based and not hydrogen fuel cells like the Germans

It makes me think what changed? I mean Germany has Chinese 2 inch cock deep into its ass. Why would they offer it in first place?

 

[shade]

It makes me think what changed? I mean Germany has Chinese 2 inch cock deep into its ass. Why would they offer it in first place?

I can't say whether this is Uncle Sam's bait or German greed.

 

[Smoothbore125mm]

I can't say whether this is Uncle Sam's bait or German greed.

none of the above
s80 comes with very much of american things so either we buy the s80 or 212 the leash would be there none the less but i thing india is a little to big now to be controlled by leash americans cant afford to sanction india which would be basically giving china the clean chit to capture taiwan

 

[Gandaberunda]

Why did we back of from Russia Amur 650/9XX series offer with DRDO AIP? Should have kept it to balance instead of facing single bidder conundrum. Amur subs are not that bad they’re based on kilo class subs which we already have experience operating and are significantly cheaper. Instead of going with all new variant of German or Spain should re negotiate with France naval group for smx 2.0 subs which are extended scorpene with AIP

 

[Smoothbore125mm]

Why did we back of from Russia Amur 650/9XX series offer with DRDO AIP? Should have kept it to balance instead of facing single bidder conundrum. Amur subs are not that bad they’re based on kilo class subs which we already have experience operating and are significantly cheaper. Instead of going with all new variant of German or Spain should re negotiate with France naval group for smx 2.0 subs which are extended scorpene with AIP

probably cause no boates have been built and india primarily wanted a proven aip to compare the efficiency of drdo aip also with russia dont expect any world class tech to be offered only advantage is they are cheap they are abundant but i think its better to invest in p-76 once the drdo aip has proven its worth

 

[binayak95]

Just go to Japan and get their Li ion batteries. That'll make the sub as expensive as an SSBN (almost) but maybe the Japs can fork out a contain PLAN in peace sink PLAN in war loan.

none of the above
s80 comes with very much of american things so either we buy the s80 or 212 the leash would be there none the less but i thing india is a little to big now to be controlled by leash americans cant afford to sanction india which would be basically giving china the clean chit to capture taiwan

 

[binayak95]

Why did we back of from Russia Amur 650/9XX series offer with DRDO AIP? Should have kept it to balance instead of facing single bidder conundrum. Amur subs are not that bad they’re based on kilo class subs which we already have experience operating and are significantly cheaper. Instead of going with all new variant of German or Spain should re negotiate with France naval group for smx 2.0 subs which are extended scorpene with AIP

Paper pe toh Su57 bhi sexy hai.

But paper toh AMCA bhi hai.
Same concept here.

 

[Smoothbore125mm]

Just go to Japan and get their Li ion batteries. That'll make the sub as expensive as an SSBN (almost) but maybe the Japs can fork out a contain PLAN in peace sink PLAN in war loan.

japs have a tight navy to guard the shores pla cant take a fight right now but with their cbg under construction japs are in for a tough time ahead
ps japs does have some critical tech too even usa shares critical tech to them in exchange of japan's tech and well we dont know what the soryu's capabilities are too

 

[mamamia12]

Just go to Japan and get their Li ion batteries. That'll make the sub as expensive as an SSBN (almost) but maybe the Japs can fork out a contain PLAN in peace sink PLAN in war loan.

All this talks about getting things from Japan won't materialize. Its a waste of time to engage them Militarily in defense procurements.

 

[Smoothbore125mm]

All this talks about getting things from Japan won't materialize. Its a waste of time to engage them Militarily in defense procurements.

i think he said that sarcastically rather than making a point though

 

[Gandaberunda]

Paper pe toh Su57 bhi sexy hai.

But paper toh AMCA bhi hai.
Same concept here.

Amur is paper sub?

 

[binayak95]

Amur is paper sub?

No. On paper, it is a good sub.

 

[Arjun Mk1A]

Why did we back of from Russia Amur 650/9XX series offer with DRDO AIP? Should have kept it to balance instead of facing single bidder conundrum. Amur subs are not that bad they’re based on kilo class subs which we already have experience operating and are significantly cheaper. Instead of going with all new variant of German or Spain should re negotiate with France naval group for smx 2.0 subs which are extended scorpene with AIP

Is it export variant of Lada class right?

It did not met the expectation of Russian Navy and the project stopped.

 

[Azaad]

Is it export variant of Lada class right?

It did not met the expectation of Russian Navy and the project stopped.

Yup. Very true . Since then the Russians have re christened the sub. They've gone ahead & added u between a & d in Lada.

 

[Longewala]

Yup. Very true . Since then the Russians have re christened the sub. They've gone ahead & added u between a & d in Lada.

For the Russians, it was a choice between u, f and ng

 

[Smoothbore125mm]

For the Russians, it was a choice between u, f and ng

s too but for land systems